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aksd
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No I dont, first time I;ve heard the term, but I'm quite new to the WM world, a noob actually  . If you mean the finger friendly UI, there are several, from SPB Mobile Shell to PoinUI which is free, that virtually takes over the entire WM UI can be found at www.pointui.com, but you loose out on the awesome WM today screen. Also theres the WM7 to be lanuched mid 2009.
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max_wedge
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aksd, good arguments mate, you've made some excellent points in the preceding posts.
Good point especially about WM being like a computer. This is one of the prime reasons I like WM over UIQ and s60 - neither s60 nor UIQ offer the same sort of flexibility and computer like experience that WM offers.
WM is based on Pocket PC. Pocket PC's are the REAL handheld computers, not the marketing gibberish "multimedia computer" that Nokia uses to describe the N95.
N95 is an awesome phone, no doubt, but it is not like a computer. It's a dedicated multimedia device, but has no where near the tweakability of what I think of as a computer.
As a computer tech of some years standing, Symbian just does not excite me as much as WM in a well spec'd device. Hence my excitement over X1.
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aksd
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Thanks max,
Was awaiting your posts to back me up, as a programmer(one with far far more experience than I ) you know what I mean when I'd say the Symbian has become more like a glorified Java phone rather than a true smartphone. In the truest sense of the word a smartphone just does'nt allow you to install native applications but configure and modify the existing kernel or shell to your requirement and should replicate the functionality and programmibilty of a desktop in your handheld, freedo to program . With the right drivers we could even boot linux from our PPCs which has been done on the HTC universal and other phones.
Nothing wrong with Symbian though, its perfect for the non-technical end user who wants a bit more utility than a standard OS.
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mib1800
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@max_wedge:
WM is based on Pocket PC. Pocket PC's are the REAL handheld computers, not the marketing gibberish "multimedia computer" that Nokia uses to describe the N95.
WM is very good being a "computer" OS but it just sucks at being a "computer +phone" OS.  Other than UIQ3, WM UI is one of the most user unfriendly and complex UI. And not to mention a bloated and relatively unstable OS.
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aksd
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In which world do you live mate, my TyTn2 is 5 months old and it has'nt restarted once or hung once on me. Bloated its not, unstable its not, but application do tend to corrupt the registry often, but thats a price you pay for having it so open with no form of restriction on the type of apps installable, non technical persons such as yourself fail to understand this. I suggest you stick to SE's java based propriety OS or maybe Samsungs suits you better with all the nice animations, should make you feel all warm inside .
This topic is'nt about WM vs UIQ vs S60. But about the X1 and WM.
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bavlondon2
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When do you think we will see the 1st reviews? I am sick o seeing pics with just those 9 panels and really want to see if the interface overall is nicer or does it just look different skin deep.
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aksd
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The interface is mostly just skin deep. A complete replacemnt of the existing UI is really not possible, new SDKs would need to be re-written not a small task, the 9 panel thing is like a quick lanucher application.
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drgopoos
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If u had used spb application( the best WM application) , we can see that they have virtually replaced the framework of the windows mobile explorer ( though) but the paths remains the same.
So SE should not have much difficulty in doing it with direct help from Microsoft |
aksd
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On 2008-03-24 19:04:05, drgopoos wrote:
If u had used spb application( the best WM application) , we can see that they have virtually replaced the framework of the windows mobile explorer ( though) but the paths remains the same.
So SE should not have much difficulty in doing it with direct help from Microsoft
Which SPB application do you refer to, I have purchased mobile shell 2.0. It has've replaced as such but just resides ontop of it to an extent, its more like the HTC cube rather than a UI replacement. Now the UI or shell.exe in WM cannot be killed without destabilizing the OS, with or without MS help, its ingrained into the OS, the entire OS needs to be re-written, with some programs such as SPB Mobile SHell and PointUI just because you cant see the OS does'nt mean that its not there. Imagine if you have 2 types of application for every app in Windows, it would become bloated and slow with lower amounts of RAM.
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mib1800
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@aksd:
In which world do you live mate, my TyTn2 is 5 months old and it has'nt restarted once or hung once on me.
Then you are very lucky. My classmate has one and he hates it to the bone (and is now trying to get rid of it) because of the lousy battery life and the instability. |
masseur
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I've had my TyTN II since day 1 and still use it alot of the day, every day
there is no stability issue in mine and generally this is down to the badly written 3rd party software rather the WM6
The battery still has life after a full day and thats all I need as I charge it each night as it get synchronised with my pc. I do have a 2800mah battery for use on long flights from/to Australia/UK
I'll say it again that since WM2003SE I almost never have to press the soft reset button which was a daily occurrence before that
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mib1800
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@masseur
well, this classmate of mine do have quite a few 3rd party software. Maybe that is the problem. I have not use WM6 but I have wm5 (atom exec - mostly bare of 3rd party sw) which still have the occasional lock-up esp when using wifi.
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max_wedge
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WM is not the unstable device it once was. Much more reliable. I agree to an extent that s60 is much more seemless as a phone, but WM just beats it hands down on those computer geeky types of things.
And I have to agree with mass. the WM platform is stable since WM5. If you choose your applications well, WM will run like a dream. I also don't have problem with battery life, and WM imho gets better standby time than any phone I know of. If you use it for wireless comms of any kind it does suck juice, but what else can you expect?
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anonymuser
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I can vouch for the majority view - my Tytn II is also five months old, and reliable as the day is long. There is no instability in WM6, it's rock solid, and actually a lot more stable than the UIQ3 phone my Tytn replaced.
As others have said, it's a "real" computer, and that means it runs "real" software that can, if poorly coded, effect the performance of the device as a whole. There are some bad apps out there that will crash or freeze a WM6 phone, but that's not the fault of the OS itself - and is easily avoided.
I used UIQ and UIQ3 for four years, but I'm now a total convert to Windows Mobile, and looking forward to the X1. This is not the behaviour of someone who has to soft-reset every day.
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mib1800
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Vanilla wm6 may be very stable. But who really use a wm without installing 3rd party software? If the wm is unstable with 3rd party software then in my book, it is unstable and unrealiable. A well designed OS should be immune to 3rd party instability.
Case in point is my exec. I installed an app (think it is from spb - can't remember the name) and this app conflict with the phone radio component. The UI is still running giving you a false sense of security but calls/message cannot come in. Since WM2003 this kind of major critical bug is still there. I never encounter this type of problem in my N95/N82 even with a lots of 3rd party apps installed.
That is one reason why I am not using my exec as my main phone because it is just not dependable as a phone. It is very good as being PDA but it is still not up to scratch as a phone+pda until MS fix this phone-pda integration issue. And maybe also improve the battery gorging of some built-in app like IE/wifi/media player.
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