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jmcomms
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Lithium batteries don't need careful conditioning, and a 1500mAh battery wouldn't have been twice the size. And while it might have been 50% heavier (probably less in reality; as the casing wouldn't have been that much bigger), it would have been the battery weight only - not the overall weight.
When we're talking anything from 100-150g, to be honest, the weight difference isn't that noticeable. Size is more of a factor.
Oh, and where IS the Facebook app? Slow or not, I don't even have it or any access to it!
[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2009-10-18 20:45 ] Jonathan Morris
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Update: I did another full reset and this time I didn't restore any backup (besides contacts and bookmarks).
So, I had a totally clear C drive and then removed everything from the memory card except for photos/videos (backup card, format card on phone and restore data via USB).
Now, I am happy to say that all of the lagging has gone away - so something had clearly got corrupted somewhere along the way.
Even more significant is the fact that I've been restoring and setting up the phone, constantly, for about two hours and the battery has barely moved.
So, now I'm starting to see the Satio in a different light! Just in time too, as I'll have to finish the review very soon.
Went looking on PlayNow for apps, to see if I could see the FB app and I've just seen some 'Handy....' apps selling for 20UKP. Seriously, a calendar app that costs 20 quid? Even an alarm app is selling for £10!!
No wonder Symbian is never going to get a decent selection of apps. Nobody will buy them!
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Oh thats better news
Phone?? What phone?? |
sblantipodi
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Went looking on PlayNow for apps, to see if I could see the FB app and I've just seen some 'Handy....' apps selling for 20UKP. Seriously, a calendar app that costs 20 quid? Even an alarm app is selling for £10!!
Software is written by software engineer, it requires a lot of times to be written and huge knowledge.
If you can't afford £10 for a software you like next time buy a cheaper phone or a nintendo DS...
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hihihans
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£10 for an alarm?  doesn't Satio have one? I know programming costs money but come on, this is silly.
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Morris: Told you things aren't as bad as your test unit was showing to be. 
As for the batteries, yes; Li-Po batteries do need initial care. Li-Ion ones don't. Li-Po batteries also tend to be a tad bulkier. If you want to see just how big a Li-Po 1500 mAh battery looks like, just open an X1's back cover. Honestly, I don't think there's enough space in a Satio to fit something that big. Not unless they make the whole phone as bulky as the camera cover. |
driftmania
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On 2009-10-18 20:01:55, Saka wrote:
On 2009-10-18 19:48:06, driftmania wrote:
They should've crammed a larger battery in there, at least a 1500 mAh.
And have it twice as thick and 50% heavier?
Nokia was able to fit a 1500 mAh into the E71 and the N97. If SE redesigned the back cover and camera cover, it could easily fit in a 1500 mAh. It's just that SE went for looks over usefulness. |
sblantipodi
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Satio requires less power to operate due to its new architecture Cortex A8 so you can't compare an ARM11 with a Cortex A8.
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jmcomms
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Obviously you're not going to fit in a 1500mAh battery in the existing case; definitely too late now. They should have done this at the design stage, but for some reason they like using the BST-33 in everything these days.
Whatever happened to the BST-40? Same size but thicker, and could have got around 200-300mAh more in.
As for not being as bad as I first said, yes, that's good news - but it was still stuttering when playing video today. Not as much, but there's still something not quite right and it really will need a firmware update ASAP.
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anonymuser
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On 2009-10-19 01:15:33, sblantipodi wrote:
Software is written by software engineer, it requires a lot of times to be written and huge knowledge.
If you can't afford £10 for a software you like next time buy a cheaper phone or a nintendo DS...
It's not as simple as that though, is it? A £10 alarm app is simply not viable, no matter how long it took to make, so something is clearly wrong here. Either the S60/Satio platform is too difficult to develop for, or the market is too small to make these applications worthwhile at a lesser, more palatable price.
It's a fact that on at least one other phone that shall remain nameless, such an app would be pence, not pounds - let alone ten of them.
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synn
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EPOC software usually builds very functional tools, so I doubt if that Handy Alarm was just a simple alarm.
The S60 platform is NOT too difficult to work for and even without an "appstore", there are loads of developers who develop applications for it. Not retarded fart and beer apps, but highly functional ones like Handy shell. From the aforementioned EPOC.
Click this to know what the "pence" apps are doing to the developer community in the long term: http://gizmodo.com/5378390/th[....]-for-oblivion?skyline=true&s=i
When a site that has a permanent hard-on for the 'company that shall remain nameless" posts something like that, one can assume there's some truth to it.
Edit: here's the alarm that he probably saw: http://nokia-e75-software.epocware.com/Handy_Alarm.html
As one can see, it goes a fair bit beyond your default alarms. Whether or not it is worth that kind of money is entirely upto you and your needs.
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Hrc4u
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still waiting for my satio...arrives tomorrow 
about the bst-33 battery..
why not just buy an aftermarket 1500mah battery...?
like the one on:
http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/battery-for-the-9294p.html
or ar they crap?
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On 2009-10-19 12:39:48, synn wrote:
The S60 platform is NOT too difficult to work for and even without an "appstore", there are loads of developers who develop applications for it. Not retarded fart and beer apps, but highly functional ones like Handy shell. From the aforementioned EPOC.
You mean Epocware - EPOC was the original name of Psion's operating system, from which Epocware got the name, back when they were writing shareware for devices like the Revo and Series 5. They've been a faithful friend to Symbian ever since, creating software for that same minority of smartphone "believers" who graduated from PDA's through to the earliest S60 and UIQ phones and beyond. But now? They're dinosaurs. Realistically, trying to sell an alarm app for £10 in a world where smartphones and their apps have gone mainstream is ridic*lous - seriously limiting their own market, and damaging the chances of Symbian in the longer term.
Since you bring them up (as a cheap shot) let me point out that those "retarded fart and beer apps" do have one big advantage for other platforms. They may be playing to the lowest common denominator, but at least they get a bunch of users browsing the appstore who might not ordinarily have gone anywhere near downloadable apps, meaning there's a lot more chance of them finding something a bit more worthwhile while they're "shopping" - probably one of the reasons why the less retarded, highly functional apps for those platforms are also much more competitively priced.
Click this to know what the "pence" apps are doing to the developer community in the long term:
Every week since it opened there's been another article knocking the viability of the Apple appstore, and yet developers still flock there, and the good ones still somehow manage to hang on, still issue updates and develop new products. In reality, what was once a gold rush has simply matured naturally into a standard marketplace - where good quality, good value apps succeed, and others don't. There's no voodoo involved, nobody's getting ripped off, it's just a matter of getting the business plan right.
I'd be seriously shocked if 99% of that functionality wasn't already built into the phone. The idea of that being worth $14.95 to anyone is absolutely ludricrous - I wonder if it's actually priced that way to make their $130 package seem more attractive, although how anyone could seriously consider spending that either is beyond me.
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gregpot2000
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Can anyone confirm whether this battery would work? Would be interested in buying one...
But with my C905 I had a few software problems that meant it needed to be re-flashed, it was saying “please use Sony Ericsson battery” even though it was the original I got with the phone, and if this happens with the original from time to time, am I right in thinking a third party one like this wouldn’t work at all?
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jmcomms
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I think every third party maker has got around the check for official accessories, and indeed the only time I've ever had the warning has been with an original SE charger or battery!!
As for these apps and someone trying to justify £10 for an enhanced alarm clock, or a £100 suite of equally pointless apps (well, in terms of their cost) - it's exactly why S60 is dead in the water for apps. There's hardly anything of note out there, and top tens always seem to mention the same old things.
Fun, stupid and gimmicky apps do exactly what has been said; get people playing around with apps and getting used to installing/buying them. It's also incredibly easy to get and manage apps, with no complicated installation processes (even being asked which drive to install an app would probably put people off) and it's just as easy to uninstall as it is to install - complete with a feedback system that passes useful information on to developers. Oh, and the App Store also means developers can see how many people are trying their apps - unlike .SIS files being distributed all over the place.
Epocware is one company that has done very little to help restore faith in S60 apps - and everything to put people off altogether. They're not unique though, as I can't see much value paying £8 for an IM client either!
I can see the point in paying for a decent Twitter application, especially when it handles multiple accounts, supports Facebook and Google Reader, and isn't just enhancing something already on the phone. And that isn't selling for £20 like Handy Calendar!
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