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PeterKay
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The Holy Quran, Verses 50-51 from Chapter 7 states:
The Companions of the Fire will call to the Companions of the Garden: "Pour down to us water or anything that Allah doth provide for your sustenance." They will say: "Both these things hath Allah forbidden to those who rejected Him."
"Such as took their religion to be mere amusement and play, and were deceived by the life of the world." That day shall We forget them as they forgot the meeting of this day of theirs, and as they were wont to reject Our signs.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-10-09 12:52:32, Jim wrote:
Proof me there is an afterlife or heaven/hell, you can't so that doesn't make sence  .
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Show me proof that an afterlife doesn't exist ... you can't.
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amnesia
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@Jim, dont forget you are in a religious thread. At the end of the day it comes down to faith. If you are unbeliever there is little I can do to persuade you that it is good for you.
The threads I provide you clearly explain medically why fasting is good and not what religious people 'think'. I think you either didn't read it or just skimmed through.
We fast at a particular time because it is a time when we pay respect to the prophet that guided us through troubled times. I can google the full reason if you like.
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Janet_k500i
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@amnesia and other Muslims
I have a other question, i cant google since i dont have a computer, but Why is it forbidden to make photo's or statues from living creatures. Because lots of my muslim friends say its forbidden and that im Strange Because i pray for a picture of God. But if i ask them Why they cant give me a answer. They say its written in the Koran that's the reason. But i wanna know Why |
PeterKay
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It's simple, God has no Image 
Chapter 112 from The Glorious Quran states:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
There is nothing like Him, He is Unseen, He is the greatest, The Eternal, The Creator, The Manifest, The Sublime. No Image can be created of the Almighty One.
Verse 2 and 3 from Chapter 2 states:
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.
Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them.
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JK
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On 2005-10-10 04:47:00, Janet_k500i wrote:
@amnesia and other Muslims
I have a other question, i cant google since i dont have a computer, but Why is it forbidden to make photo's or statues from living creatures. Because lots of my muslim friends say its forbidden and that im Strange Because i pray for a picture of God. But if i ask them Why they cant give me a answer. They say its written in the Koran that's the reason. But i wanna know Why
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Watsup gurl..
Praying to a picture or an idol isnt praying to god, its praying to a material thing, in that case you can pray to gold or a heap of money etc... How do you also know thats the picture of god? Also I totally respect your religion but when it come to praying to a elephant with four hands or Hanuman etc I just cant see the reasoning...
maybe its just my ignorance...
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Kryptik
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@Amnesia, you are correct, of course. The Bible also mentions fasting, and doctors will certainly bear witness to the fact that regulated fasting can be beneficial to the body. Furthermore, the doubters will always question the existence of the hereafter.
@ Janet, it's an intricate thing to explain. In my church, for example, we do not have an image of Jesus on the Cross, for no other reason than traditionally we never did. We believe in God, in Jesus, the prophets, the whole 9 yards, yet there are subtle differences in our "manner" of worship. This is why so many ppl from religions other than Christian think we're on the wrong track, because of the vast number of traditions and peculiarities most denominations have.
The Bible advocates that "in My Father's House are many mansions" and i, for one, believe in what the Bible teaches me. I believe that if serve God in my own way, observe its teachings and care for my fellow-man, i'll meet up with my Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc brothers and sisters someday in the hereafter, since their particular forms of worship also, imho, teach love, respect, goodness, dignity, charity, etc. Always remember that the image of Jesus, Mary, the prophets, whoever, that you see in some churches are just that- i.e. images! Those who kneel before them do so as a token of respect to the God who has created us all. I am, of course, open to correction in this matter, but it is how i see it, in a nutshell.
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amnesia
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i guess thats the concise reason.
Firstly, are you reading this forum off of a mobile?
Second, "Why is it forbidden to make photo's or statues from living creatures. Because lots of my muslim friends say its forbidden and that im Strange Because i pray for a picture of God."
Is 2 lots? is 4? is 100?
Now, "Why is it forbidden to make photo's or statues from living creatures. "
Simple answer? It's not.
What is forbidden is praying to that picture or statue.
Now thats not to say you can't have a photo of lets say your dead father while you pray, it's that you can't worship that photo.
The main reason why this is explicitly mentioned in Islam is because of the Stone Throwers/Crushers during ancient times. (that is the name they have not their occupation)
They enterred Mecca, and placed statues around the area and worshipped it while knowing that this one area was Holy to Muslims.
They tried to take over the land and it was seen that praying to something that you can harm and is material is not a God at all. Must you have something physical in front of you? Can't the idea of your God be enough? Is it that superficial?
Anyway thats the story, I dont judge those who worship statues or pictures, its not my place.
If you have problems with those Muslims I suggest you stay away from them rather than complaining.
@Kryptik.
Respect man.
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Davo_169
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pardon my ignorance but im curious to what fasting is?
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amnesia
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in different religions it's slighty different.
In Islam, it's not eating or drinking for a number of hours in the day.
In Christianity it's not eating a certain food group I think.
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FACTS OF MUSLIM>>>MUST READ interesting!!
The answer is YES u can have photos any living creature..... be it cats, humans, aliens watsoeva......... we can have wat so eva.... BUT we cannot take an item and pray with or for.... as it does not state in the Qu'ran that u need any for prayer.... And muslim only pray to GOD and GOD only... no idols, pictures etc... nothing....
BUT u may ask... then what is that Black Square thingy u pray at... Muslim prays to a house made of Rock??? Answer... NO... It is called Ka'abha. Yes it used to be a house.. of our previous Prophet Ibraham n son.. Prophet Isma'il... And since we have no way of knowing the where about of GOD and what he looks like.. he told Prophet Muhammad to pray towards this Ka'abha as a source of prayer... so matter where u are in the world.. Muslim always pray facing towards the Ka'abha... how we know? coz we are guided by man made compass OR at night u can look at the stars u'll see 3starts in a straight line... and one bright start saperated but still in line with the 3stars... where the bright star is pointing thats where Ka'abha is... OR in the day... when the sun sets that is where Ka'abha is.. or when the sun rise... u face the oposite direction....
But muslim do not know what GOD is like..... Coz he is GOD.... he is not humans like us.... ONLY Prophet Muhammad SAW.... seen god... and yet he is unable to describe such beauty and light he saw.. If GOD is human or an animal.. than he is not GOD.. because.. without food n water... we die, we are given birth... than the mother or father is certain more powerful, humans needs to remove their waste (dirty)... and it goes on and on, on how imperfect we are... therefore GOD is speacial.... EVEN prophet Muhammad disallow artist to paint his portrait... as he fears people wud worship his pictures and make statues of him... you see how wise he is.....
Fasting...... its the month of Ramadhan. Where all Muslim stop eatting from the moment the SUN rise until the SUN sets.... It is required as it clam us, self control, patience, and realise that the world isnt a perfect world and how poor people suffer.... What do i mean when we stop eatting.. I mean nothing is to be eatten.. no food or water... but once the SUN sets u can eat all u wanty until the next day the sun rise we have to stop....
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@amnesia and other Muslims
I have a other question, Why is it forbidden to make photo's or statues from living creatures? |
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@Janet, its because islam believes in the ONE, SUPREME, "formless" god.
Its their BELIEF
Secondly, you being A Hindu, do you know why we worship idols and pictures of "Gods"?
But before coming to "Idol Worship", i would like to shed some light on The HIndu viewpoint of GOD.
According to the tenets of Hinduism, God is one as well as many. He is to be found every where and in every thing. He is there in the sky, in the rivers, in the plants and trees and even in a particle of dust. He is an enigma, because He is in many things at a time and is many things at a time. He is visible as well as invisible. He is here and He is there. He is above and He is below. He is with forms and also without form. He speaks and He speaks not. He is the self and also the not-self. To say that this is God and this is not is perhaps much more sacrilegious, if there is anything like sacrilegious in the world of God, than seeing God in images and idols and worshipping Him.
Hinduism recognizes this fundamental truth about God in letter and spirit. For the Hindus the whole universe is sacred, permeated by His presence, radiating His glory, sustained by Him and manifested by Him. Every thing in it and every aspect of it, without an exception, is sacred and worthy of worship. If God is to be found only in the heavens, nowhere else, sitting on a throne and ruling the worlds or dispensing justice, then He cannot be God but just an aspect of Him. If God favors only those who worship Him in a particular manner, calling Him by a particular name, and declares that every one else who does not follow those percepts will go to Hell, then He cannot be God, but an inferior aspect of Him.
Hindus worship God according to their level of understanding. Some worship the highest God, some worship the village deities. Some worship a personal god believing him to be the Highest God. Some worship many gods simultaneously, with the belief that they all are the different manifestations of the same God. Some people worship Him in the form of images. Some worship His name by chanting His name or writing it a million or ten million times. Some make Him offerings of food and money. Some offer themselves completely. Some do not offer Him anything, but just worship Him either out of fear or want. Some do not worship Him at all, but still remain within the fold of Hinduism.
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Praying to a picture or an idol isnt praying to god, its praying to a material thing, in that case you can pray to gold or a heap of money etc... How do you also know thats the picture of god? Also I totally respect your religion but when it come to praying to a elephant with four hands or Hanuman etc I just cant see the reasoning...
maybe its just my ignorance...
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It indeed is ignorance.
Think before you post...you could easily hurt religious sentiments of others.
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Kryptik
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@ 02, i knew about the Ka'abha and facing east, but what i didn't know was about the stars being the guide during night. Thanx for that very good explanation. It makes perfect sense as well since Muslim sailors had been using the stars as a guide for centuries before the West realized that the world wasn't flat :-) @ Amnesia, certain groups of Christians voluntarily refrain from eating certain foods at certain times, most particularly in the period before Easter, whilst many others, like myself, will fast voluntarily when preparing for a time of intense prayer or spiritual closeness to God. It's really a cleansing of the body on the inside, and it somewhat allows one to remember those who have to go without the many things that we take for granted. The Islamic practice of Zakat is one which i very highly admire. It embodies the essence of Ramadaan for me, as a non-Muslim. @Janet, get Opera onto your phone, then you can Google as much as you like :-)
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amnesia
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@Whizz, thanks for that explanation. I think I understand now.
So you beleive that your God is everywhere so it is alright to pray to anything including an idol because God is in it? Am I right?
I can relate to that because in Islam we believe that God is everywhere too, we just dont believe in an Idol because we dont want to give God an image because it would be impossible for us to do so, and perhaps worshipping an idol would be like trapping part of him within it? I don't know, just throwing out ideas.
Anyway! Glad to see this discussion is become friendlier!
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Yeap... K guys... gotta go eat now... Happy Fasting... Sun is setting here... Maghrib soon...
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