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Dogmann
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@razec
I don't think it's they didn't as much as that they are not allowed to some sort of dispute with Qualcomm is what i had heard can't remember where but if i come across it again i will link here.
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razec
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^^ Thanks Marc 
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BoyBawang
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Simply because HTC did not activated the video drivers of the processor that's why TyTN II can't record VGA 30Fps pics, some hackers had been trying to activate the video drivers lately 
But the new iMate Ultimates with Qualcomm 400mhz can't do VGA 30fps either. That has to be the reason why Xperia CPU is raised it to 500mhz+. Or Qualcomms video is slower than TI OMAPs used in N95
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razec
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^^As i said, it's the video drivers that is responsible for the 3D acceleration features of the processor and VGA video has nothing to do with the slower CPU speed. iMate along with HTC and the other PPC manufacturers had not activated the qualcomm video driver that is responsible for the CPU to encode VGA 30Fps video. Xperia had requested HTC to utilize the driver to enable X1 to record at VGA 30Fps. you probably don't know that Qualcomm has a dedicated graphics CPU, Sound Processor,GPS processor, Applications and ISP(image signal processing, responsible for still image processing). on the GPU side Qualcomm is also compatible with either Nvidia or ATi for faster/better 3D acceleration. for sure you have heard of the snapdragon CPU which uses ATi GPU inside it's module.
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chombos1
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just read the white paper....
looks like it has only (VGA@15 fps and QVGA@30fps) for the U.S and VGA@30fps for the rest of the world....  |
Raja
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There is an article on 'Smape' about HTC's upcoming devices. It was a bit too technical and I was too bored to understand it. Maybe someone here can dissect it?
http://smape.com/en/news//28515.html
It has relevance to X1 because it discusses graphics chips and their potential.
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mobman
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On 2008-03-20 14:56:25, chombos1 wrote:
just read the white paper....
looks like it has only (VGA@15 fps and QVGA@30fps) for the U.S and VGA@30fps for the rest of the world....
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that would seem to back up dogmans claims about it being a licencing issue. |
bavlondon2
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Also MR has posted a WM 6.1 review. In a nutshell there are no changes at all apart from SMS thread funtionality. 
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We'l basically the Qualcomm MSM 7200 processor is a system on chip in simple words its a single processor with many tiny processors in it doing different things. Its got 2 DSPs one for Audio one for calls, an application processor running at 400Mhz a processor for calls and stuff at 280Mhz ARM9 architecture, a GPS chipset, a 3D accelerator by ATi and interfaces for USB OTG, TV-Out etc..
Now for a manufacturer to buy this processor they buy the licence for each functionality seperately, they have to pay more to Qualcomm for more features they utilize in their products. What HTC did with the TyTn2 is they only purchased the basic requiremen processor, DSP etc.. leaving out the implementation for the 3D acceleration, USB OTG, TV out etc.. as at that point it may have seemed to them that the extra investment was'nt really necessary. Hence no VGA at 30fps and not TV out and no USB Host function.
Now after the TyTn2 owners Vs HTC scandal on the net a month ago seems like SE/HTC? have realized that things dont work that way anymore and have decided to implement the 3D drivers, this looks like a last minute descision as the orignal specs had no mention of 3D acceleration. The implemented drivers will allow better gaming and graphic rendering than the current OMAP 2 processor on the N95/N82/E90 or the freescale ones on several other Nokias and even the N96 with the SMT processor. BUT it is'nt superior to the next gen OMAP 3 processors, although the SE X1 processor is updated (due to the Broadcomm lawsuit?) to the MSM 7200 A from the MSM7200 adding 120Mhz to the oringal 400 making it 520Mhz. BUT seems like SE have decided not to give us TV-Out or USB OTG which would have made it perfect .
The actual competition to the OMAP 3 processor is the QUalcomm MSM 7850 or the Nvidia 2500 or the Qualcomm Snapdragon/scorpion all which are superior to the OMAP 3 processor, but these we'd see mid 2009 to earl 2010.
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mobman
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wow - i feel like i just learned a hell of alot about the processor chip world!
do you think it would ever be possible for the end user to buy the licences for the chip functions themselves? obviously it would be better the have all features straight away but i dont mind the way archos supply their units cheep and then let the customer buy the extra functions they want.
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hahaha112
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why doesn't X1 have 5 mp cam, Accelerometer, 16 gig with 8 gig expansion, fast port and 3.5 jack.
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bavlondon2
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On 2008-03-21 18:32:09, aksd wrote:
Now after the TyTn2 owners Vs HTC scandal on the net a month ago seems like SE/HTC? have realized that things dont work that way anymore and have decided to implement the 3D drivers, this looks like a last minute descision as the orignal specs had no mention of 3D acceleration.
Are you 100% sure about this or is it a theory? Great news if its genuine.
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Dogmann
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@askd
Out of interest why do you claim that those processors are going to superior to the OMAP3 chip? on what basis do you make that conclusion. As far as i am aware no one but those fortunate to of had test units can even comment on just how good any of these processors are although i know the OMAP3 Chip was being shown last year at an S60 event in Madrid and was fully booting a system in 5 seconds approximately which i consider pretty impressive. I will of course reserve judgment until i see all of these chips in action in various devices but for now the OMAP3 chip is my clear favorite especially as it destined for Symbian S60.
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razec
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On 2008-03-21 22:39:19, hahaha112 wrote:
why doesn't X1 have 5 mp cam, Accelerometer, 16 gig with 8 gig expansion, fast port and 3.5 jack.
it has 3.5mm jack!
@askd:
So the 3D accelerator responsible for X1's VGA video is the ATi imageon GPU. do you know what type does that uses? if i were asked i strongly believe it's using the top of the line M100 series as this is cuurently the only ATi video chip that is capable of enabling the video recorder to record at VGA @ 30Fps video. so if i was right i can really say SE/HTC is even able to integrate 12megapixel camera on it
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@mobman
Buying the licence is bl***y expensive
@bavlondon2
I'm sure of it as per the whitepaper, the 3D drivers have been fully implemented. VGA at 30fps is also possible only with full implementation of the 3D drivers, this I know as I'm a HTC TyTn2 owner without the 3D drivers lol.
@Dogmann
I read a comparison on one of the qualcomm documents, the Snapdragon/Scorpion processor has the following specs when comapred to the Omap 3
Scorpion(Qualcomm):
Speed: 1Ghz(maximum)
Instruction Set: 128kb(this is really good, the procssor would work much faster), currently we're working on 16kb and 32kb instruction sets in our processors.
Performance: 2100DIMPS
OMAP3:
Speed: 550Mhz(this is not the deciding factor)
Instruction set: 64bit(this would make the processor hell of a lot slower, than the scorpion as it has far fewer instructions to work with but faster than the current gen Qualcomm)
Performance: 1200DIMPS
So on paper the next gen qualcomm trumps the OMAP3. But it all depends on how much of it is implemented on the phones, if it sfuly implemented the OMAP3 wont hold a candle next to it. We need to wait and watch,b ut this tech would reach us early to mid 2009 along with the Nvidia 2500, on my-symbian you stated that 3D eyecandy etc.. is not a concern of yours, but better graphic implementation would result is less load on the processor while rendering images or icons etc on the screen hence making overall usage a better experience and increasing battery life as the processor would'nt be taxed as much.
@razec
I remember reading its based on the ATI 2300 but dont quote me on that I'm not sure, but will get back to you on this.
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