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Singapore_Air
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For a person that hasn't wanted to pay the price premium for the Apple brand and the iPhone fashion statement because he derives no value from it, the SonyEricsson XPERIA X1 is a long-awaited welcome!
The touchscreen interface great as is the fact that the screen is 3" diagonally (though 0.2" smaller than the iPhone?). The inclusion of octo-band(?) network compatability will be great for international roaming and the aGPS is nice since I don't need it apart from when I'm bored or lost.
Web browsing with wi-fi will be very convenient though I haven't seen a screenshot of it happenning in horizontal mode yet.
Being pro-Microsoft, the inclusion of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 is a great feature and together with the XPERIA 'experience' UI combines a good balance between multimedia functionality and the positioning as a business/go-getter's/early-adopter's smartphone.
The 3.2MP camera without LCD flash is a slight shortcoming but can be forgiven easily unless you're videoing a chav fight outside the bars on a Friday night.
All together, I think the X1 represents a fantastic value proposition and one which I would pay a (reasonable) premium for. I started with a Nokia 3210, then progressed to the wonderful P900, then the Nokia 7710, then to my current Motorola something (as the 7710 got stolen after three years service). I'll hold out for the X1 which will bring me back to SonyEricsson.
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@Singapore_Air:
The camera has a LED flash  and yeah i'm sure having an HSUPA bandwidth is something you'll get excited as well 
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On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2 
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
When is sony going to come out with a cybershot smartphone or a 5mp+xenon
walkman ? ?
Fair enough, SE have made the G900 for you instead
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Singapore_Air
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Ahh an LED flash - great. Not an LCD - sorry, late night.
And enough with the 9-panel experience already! We get it.
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@Razec
As so many where happy to tell me that HSDPA missing wasn't important in UIQ smart phones and correct me if I' wrong but i don't think the yet launched G series has HSDPA or does it?
Many where and are happy to claim that plain old 3G was and is just as good would you care to explain just why you think HSUPA is going to be just so wonderful and useful for most of us? As while i still believe that HSDPA offers great benefits HSUPA i really can't see the benefit of in the same way and think a very small amount of users will find any use for it.
Also don't you find it strange that SE can announce a smart phone with all the latest tech in a new platform for them but not in thier own UIQ smart phone platform. Just why is all this tech great in the new platform yet not needed in UIQ?
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HSUPA is an improvement of the HSDPA performance of most HSDPA handsets - up to 5Mbps (compared to most HSDPA handsets which are 3Mbps) 14.4Mbps is the theoretical speed of HSDPA, not necessarily the speed of HSDPA handsets.
RE: X1, has GPS not yet seen in a UIQ phone, and HSDPA. The high screen resolution comes from the formfactor (and the need to keep the dot pitch equal or better than a candybar). The inclusion of VGA video is probably due to the 400MHz processor compared to 208 of P1!
Other than that, the G900 has the same or better tech, so it's not true to say they reserve all the good stuff for the X1.
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hgautam
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@Singapore_Air
What is a LCD Flash????
Heard of LED, Xenon and the new photo flash but never of a LCD one??? |
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@Max
Sorry but while the speeds you quote are nearly right that is not what HSUPA is not even close. HUSPA is an additional service to the HSPDA speed improvement protocols.
What HSUPA offers is the ability for up link transfer rates of up to 5.76 Mbps as this is what HUSPA stands for High Speed Uplink Packet Access HSDPA even without HSUPA is able to offer download speed of up to14.4Mbps and is not dependant on HSUPA being supported.
That is why i was asking why he felt HSUPA was so great as how many of us are there that will be uploading data to make use of this speed increase? Unlike HSDPA which as you know i value as most of us download things all the time but uploading i really don't see most of us doing that very often if ever, except maybe a few pictures or some data to our blogs neither of which really are require the huge speed and bandwidth offered by HSUPA.
For a full and prop definition more information can be found here
http://www.freescale.com/weba[....].jsp?nodeId=02XPgQ750882662622
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Singapore_Air
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On 2008-03-17 14:46:05, hgautam wrote:
@Singapore_Air
What is a LCD Flash????
Heard of LED, Xenon and the new photo flash but never of a LCD one???
Sorry, as above, I corrected myself. I meant LED flash. |
famous12
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On 2008-03-17 02:53:55, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
When is sony going to come out with a cybershot smartphone or a 5mp+xenon
walkman ? ?
Fair enough, SE have made the G900 for you instead
bro you are right but....... ! ! ! G900 is not for USA :(:( it doesnt have any GSM 850 band |
max_wedge
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On 2008-03-17 15:28:18, Dogmann wrote:
@Max
Sorry but while the speeds you quote are nearly right that is not what HSUPA is not even close. HUSPA is an additional service to the HSPDA speed improvement protocols.
What HSUPA offers is the ability for up link transfer rates of up to 5.76 Mbps as this is what HUSPA stands for High Speed Uplink Packet Access HSDPA even without HSUPA is able to offer download speed of up to14.4Mbps and is not dependant on HSUPA being supported.
That is why i was asking why he felt HSUPA was so great as how many of us are there that will be uploading data to make use of this speed increase? Unlike HSDPA which as you know i value as most of us download things all the time but uploading i really don't see most of us doing that very often if ever, except maybe a few pictures or some data to our blogs neither of which really are require the huge speed and bandwidth offered by HSUPA.
The point I am making is that HSDPA speed depends on the handset too, not just the network infrastructure. Most HSDPA handsets in the west are capable of no more than 3Mbps. You can't look at a phone's spec list, see HSDPA and assume the phone can download at 14.4Mbps!
I didn't realise HSUPA was uplink only, my bad. However an uplink speed of 5.7Mbps makes video uploads, vpn access, remote access, video calls, video messaging faster and more efficient. And handsets that have HSUPA are likely to have faster iterations of HSDPA (faster than the usual 3Mbps)
True the average consumer won't care much about these things NOW, but that is my exact argument as to why HSDPA is not sought after by the average end user just yet - ie: 3G already services most consumers adequately and the average mobile phone user is a relatively unsophisticated consumer of mobile broadband.
Video Calling for example hasn't taken on because it's no more than a gimmick. When it's better quality, it will become more widely used. Likewise with other kinds of upload services. So HSUPA has a large role to play in the growing mobile broadband market.
AS it says in your link "in order to get users to upgrade their handsets and pay a premium for higher-speed services, network operators will need to invent and market new, compelling services. HSDPA and HSUPA can help them do just this. Higher data rates will enable more complex applications and a richer end user experience. 3GPP Releases 5 and 6 also specify a wide range of speeds that device manufacturers can take advantage of to provide different services at different rates"
It's the future services to come that are going to make HSDPA (and HSUPA) strongly in demand.
BTW, for myself, HSUPA would be a booon, since I plan to use remote access to monitor customer servers from my phone handset. Currently the uplink speed of HSDPA is a limitation. But I'm not a typical user.
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Dogmann
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@Max
Actually most devcies up to know have only supported up to 3.6Mbps speeds but as the Networks have now upgraded to 7.2Mbps some devcies are now starting to appear that support this although currently it is mostly USB Modems that support the 7.2Mmbps speed.
As the networks continue to develop their Networks abilities we should start to see more devices that can take advantage of these increased speeds currently i don't know of any Networks that have yet upgraded to offer HSUPA. We must remember whilst the X1 spec will support this the devcie still isn't due till much later this year and I'm pretty sure by then it will not be the only device that does so.
Personally i still think HSDPA is far more important than HSUPA as most of us will download far more than we upload at least currently although that may also change over time. As currently most Photo or Video upload sites decrease the quality and size of what we upload any way. But as we get the ability to record in HD and bandwidth expands we may well find we can start to upload in full resolution at which point HSUPA will come into it's own as a important improvement to the tech we use.
I do how ever disagree i really don't think an increase in quality will drive Video calling i think Video calling is just limited by practicality and convenience plus a limited use fullness. For instance walking down the street Video whilst on a Video call is not appealing, as is driving whilst on a Video call. In fact the only time i can really see it being useful is if a parent is away from home and wants to see his kid's and wish them good night that's about the only application i see being in demand.
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On 2008-03-18 01:16:30, Dogmann wrote:
@Max
Actually most devcies up to know have only supported up to 3.6Mbps speeds but as the Networks have now upgraded to 7.2Mbps some devcies are now starting to appear that support this although currently it is mostly USB Modems that support the 7.2Mmbps speed.
As the networks continue to develop their Networks abilities we should start to see more devices that can take advantage of these increased speeds currently i don't know of any Networks that have yet upgraded to offer HSUPA. We must remember whilst the X1 spec will support this the devcie still isn't due till much later this year and I'm pretty sure by then it will not be the only device that does so.
couldn't agree more, and infact that is the same underlying argument I've used to explain why I think SE won't lose out hugely by not having HSDPA in UIQ as yet (plus the already small marketshare of the UIQ segment). Services that rely on HSDPA aren't there yet. Sure you can download things faster than normal 3G, but the general public don't follow patterns of use that make this high demand. The general public try a few things on mobile web, then when they can't view full websites (for example flash, or for example the asx.com.au charting feature - neither of which work on N95 - with the best web browser on the market bar N96), they get disillusioned and stop using the phone for web browsing.
It's services such as navigation, media download, streaming etc that drive mobile internet use, not web browsing. And these services are for now, well serviced by existing 3G. (on such small screens, even web browsing that does qwork, is well serviced by 3G)
Personally i still think HSDPA is far more important than HSUPA as most of us will download far more than we upload at least currently although that may also change over time. As currently most Photo or Video upload sites decrease the quality and size of what we upload any way. But as we get the ability to record in HD and bandwidth expands we may well find we can start to upload in full resolution at which point HSUPA will come into it's own as a important improvement to the tech we use.
I agree with this, no argument, but I'm just saying it's changing. By the time X1 comes out, it will probably have an edge (no pun intended) over non-hsupa handsets.
I do how ever disagree i really don't think an increase in quality will drive Video calling i think Video calling is just limited by practicality and convenience plus a limited use fullness. For instance walking down the street Video whilst on a Video call is not appealing, as is driving whilst on a Video call. In fact the only time i can really see it being useful is if a parent is away from home and wants to see his kid's and wish them good night that's about the only application i see being in demand.
Video calling is a service yet to come into it's own, but when mobile broadband is cheap and ubiquitous, it will just be a part of a normal phone call. You won't look at the screen the whole call, but you will glance at it occasionally for example if the person on the other end wants to show you something that is happening at their end, or a music event poster or some other thing that can't be trasnmitted as easily with words.
It's hard to see it now, but people said the same thing about texting. I can remember people telling me that texting would never take off. I can remember people telling me that MOBILE PHONES would never take off!!
As the tech improves it becomes a seemless addition to everyday life and what used to seem absurd becomes normal. I absolutely believe video calling will become common, but it will only do so once 90% of phones have video calling and the prices are as cheap as normal calls.
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razec
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On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
i would like to react on the 3rd and 4th reason from famous's opinion. have you seen the Asus ZX1 phone? the phone's animated 3D cube UI is basically a new feature of the WindowsMobile 6.1 which is called the Carousel UI. X1's Xperia Panel was designed by SE to compliment on the user friendliness as well as the modernization of the Plain old used-to-be windows GUI. and we only had seen few videos of the X1 UI though ASUS's one is fair enough to prove that WM 6.1 has a newer and better looking UIs than the past windows versions
And tbh i don't think SE basically makes it's phones but they have ODM makers to design their ideal phones while the rest like the camera, LCD etc were components which were possibly developed by SE or Sony(camera,Battery) or Ericsson(platform or the antenna and so on) for release. and HTC happens to be the most popular ODM maker that's why it appears that X1 is the only SE phone that was not made by SE which is imho false perception
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Someone said 'okay, its got 9 screens, we get it'. I totally agree with this. SE have really been milking that 9 screen thing, and although it looks pretty, I dont see it as being the most convenient ever replacement for a bog standard menu. Besides, how often will one be sitting there staring at that screen!? Youll just use it for a sec to get to what you want. Still, its a shame that SE simply arent allowed to show more of the handset's UI. | |
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