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Dogmann
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Hi Ares,
Whilst i don't really agree with all this comparison nonsense i think you are also being a little unrealistic and a massive Fan Boy whilst you are at it. Which is quite Ironic as any one that dares criticize SE is automatically a Nokia Fan Boy and the very thing you accuse so many of is exactly what you are, your opinions of SE are biased and unrealistic and all because it has an SE badge.
Yes the P700 does indeed have 128mb Ram and a very good job it does to I wish all Symbian devices did so well done to SE for getting this right. But sorry still a 206mhz processor compared to 330mhz and the lite version graphics chip, No VGGA 640X480 30fps, as yet not announced to have HSDPA, 262k screen compared to a 16million, and not forgetting already launched and the top selling device as opposed to coming when exactly?
It is hardly cutting edge tech for a to be launched device it needs to be available very soon IMO and i really hope this is not all that is announced on the 8th as i would find that very disappointing. SE with the P700 have shown they can do it but they need to do things much faster and start releasing products that wow us.
One last thing can no one understand that whilst some people feel they have to have a touchscreen on a smart phone and will pay the price in visibility, others prefer to have better screens that we don't feel the need to touch. The proof of this is very simple as there are more non touch screen smart phones and if you were right this just would not happen. A touchscreen is only a big deal if you want one the rest of us don't so they are of no value to us. It is not a valid justification that one devices is superior to another simple as that.
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scouser_75
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May I step into this discussion please.
I am not a fan of any particular brand etc Ive owned an SE P800, SPV C600, and am currently on a Nokia N95.
All I have to say is out of the above 3 phones, in terms of ease of use, quality of calls, quality of build etc the Nokia N95 is by far-and-away the worst.
If it wasn't for the few gizmo's Nokia have chucked in, no one would be singing and dancing about this phone. The N95 forgets what its main function is... that of being a phone!
The C600 is a brilliant phone... at being a phone. Nothing more. Nothing less.
The P800... well the P800 was just brilliant. Brill at being a phone. Brill at being a PDA. Brill at having a few gizmo's. Brill at having good build quality. Brill at being easy to use. Everything.
Then I had a play at the P990 - and what a load of sh1te it was/is!!!
Untill the P700 is released and we've all had a play at it, none of us will know just how good or bad it is. I thought the N95 was going to be THE phone. Oh how I got done by the hype and marketing! But at least I know I have been done. There are thousands out there who still have not realised.
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Jah
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Re: N95 & P700
I have a N95. My wife wants it because of the superb video recording capability. I don't use it a as smartphone because I am not used to a keypad for input, I prefer the M600 or Nokia 9500. Just because Nokia use S60 on the N95 it does not mean it is targetted at Smartphone users - it allows third-party apps to be added. Also the N95 does not have push email! So I suggest that on the whole the N95 and P700 are designed to appeal to different people. Okay the N95 with a BT keyboard and Quick Office 4 would make a very handy mobile office... 
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ares
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On 2007-05-04 17:19:53, Dogmann wrote:
Hi Ares,
Whilst i don't really agree with all this comparison nonsense i think you are also being a little unrealistic and a massive Fan Boy whilst you are at it. Which is quite Ironic as any one that dares criticize SE is automatically a Nokia Fan Boy and the very thing you accuse so many of is exactly what you are, your opinions of SE are biased and unrealistic and all because it has an SE badge.
My point is that the N95 isnīt miles away from the P700 has mib1800 said...AM I SAYING ANYTHING WRONG??? Am i being a fanboy for seing the obvious, i.e., the P700 will be better has a true smartphone than the n95, due to its input methods and huge amount of RAM??? You just gave me another example about why i normally donīt like you, that kind of retarded posts is a great example. Bye
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Dogmann
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All HAIL ALMGHTY ARES FOR HE ONLY SPEAKS THE TRUTH AND IS NEVER WRONG
You really need to get over your self and get real you are just pathetic.
Maybe i should run to Masseur and cry like you do when you claim to be insulted , you called me a retarded poster, for someone who gets upset with minor insults it really is a shame you don't practice what you preach as that is really an uncalled for insult from some one that has no respect for others. Such a shame you don't have the integrity to practice what you preach you hypocrite.
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ares
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@Dogmman
I called your post retarded, not you - there is a difference...i have already seen you making decent, reasonable posts...not this time.
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mib1800
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On 2007-05-04 10:50:02, ares wrote:
You canīt keep yourself of being a shameless fanboy...so its FAR below the N95...you call the fact of P700 can only be compared with the E90 in terms of multitasking capability to "be far behind"...you think having around 80mb free operating RAM vs 20 something on the N95 is a little thing??? And adding to that some real decent means of text input, and a camera that shouldnīt be inferior to n95īs, and i canīt really see why it is far behing...people wanting a powefull yet small TRUE smartphone wonīt go for the n95...
I dont think it is that unfair for me to say P700 is far behind N95. By comparing quantitatively, in almost every aspect P700 is behind.
1. N95 has faster and better CPU
2. N95 has 5MP whereas P700 has 3.2Mp
3. Quadband+EDGE+3.5G for N95 against standard 3band +3g for P700
4. N95 has 16M screen screen against 262k for P700
5. VGA@30fps for N95 against QVGA@15fps for P700
6. Stereo speakers for N95
7. on phone USB and 3.5mm jack for N95
8. N95 has GPS (+free maps)
9. N95 has more 3rd party software support
*10. P700 has more free RAM
=11. Size: N95 maybe thicker by 3-4 mm but P700 is 10mm longer.
=12. P700 has a T.S. but N95 can be used one-handed. So it is hard to quantify this factor as it depends on the user input requirement
Did I leave out any part of the phone in the above list?? 
9 to 1 in favor of N95.
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ares
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Forgot the qwerty did you??? forgot you donīt know the complete specs of the P700 yet??? Forgot most of those things can have relative value (great 3mp cam vs 5mb, having gps or not, EDGE, etc), but having a huge amount of RAM on any Symbian 9.1 device is clearly a HUGE advantage. IMHO, the main n95 advantage vs the P700 is the processor
Back to mr doggman
A touchscreen is only a big deal if you want one the rest of us don't so they are of no value to us. It is not a valid justification that one devices is superior to another simple as that.
Like having a gps or EDGE?? Please...
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mib1800
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Yeah, P700 has more RAM is an advantage but NOT that huge. How many tasks you want to be active at once? 50? 100? And P700 is slower which means you get to waste more time for a task to be completed than N95.
I would rather have a FAST phone (N95) and manage the opened tasks properly than a SLOW phone that allows me to open 50 tasks simultaneously.
QWERTY? Typing on the weird keypad of P700? Thanks for the joke!!!
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ares
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QWERTY is a joke...for you, right??? A phone keypad is the real joke for long documents, instant messaging, etc
Also...you really did not use a UIQ3 device did you??? Because everybody know that they are FAST once the apps are running on background...while that is a problem on a P990, sometimes, due to limited RAM, the P700 will alow virtually every single important app to be running and quickly acessed
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voda_jon
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i gotta agree with MIB on the RAM issue...
as long as u effectively monitor the apps u have open and when u exit a program u exit it properly then a user will get fine with 20mb and over...
I have my E61i... which runs between 17-23Mb of RAM depending on what is running in the background...
Now, not once in the last 3 weeks of owning the handset has it quoted a memory issue or restarted or frozen for any amount of time... Why? Well its simple... I exit programs (the only time i multi task is listening to music whilst browsin the net) properly and use a proper task manager prog...
At the end of the day the P700i will sell very well amongst its fans and will prob pick up many new comers to the smartphone arena... Same as the N95 and other 'smart' phones have done...
Only time AND users will tell if this phone is as good as its turning out to be!
Now lets put this little flame war to pot and carry on discussing the P700i...
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ares
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voda jon, i live with even less than that on the P990, and M600/W950 users have a bit more...right now we all multitask, but having 80mb free RAM all the time would be just another level of experience...in any Symbian device
i am not saying the P700 is superior to the n95, it just has its own strengths, that make it special
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Jah
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N95 - no office apps to create files, read only. N95 RAM is an issue, if you use apps and forget to close them down. M600 keyboard, me, is much easier to use for data entry then the N95's keypad. Touch screen and wheel when used together make it easier to navigate - N95 does not have these. But as I have N95 I know it has some fantastic features. Also some of you forgot to mention that the line out on the N95 is noisy - never had this problem with my SE phones.
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voda_jon
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@ares... i know an i hope tha both companies will c the benefit from improved memory management and RAM amounts and continue the adding of more RAM to each new model lol...
I gotta agree about the qwerty keypads though... I've been using an E61 for over a year and have just upgraded 2 weeks ago to an E61i as the full qwerty keypad makes txtin and emails a lot lot easy!!!
@Jah...
If u purchase the full quick office app u can edit... u can also get free apps that allow u to do this...
RAM is a big issue on the N95 but firmware updates will address this just like the P990i firmware updates have done...
And the comment about touchscreen and jog dial is a little far fetched... Its completely down to the user and what they are used to using...
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Dogmann
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Hi Jah,
Your right they are so quite you couldn't possibly hear them, lol but as i have said all this comparison BS is just so pointless. Why we can't just all accept that no device is perfect and only what it offers each individual decides if it is the best for them or not based on their preferences.
We can argue if a device has faults or is lacking but that may still be the best device for some if not all.
Ares you just can't bare to hear a criticism of any SE device ever, you take it so personally and then insult people whilst claiming that is what they are doing to you and it's not just here either is it.
Ares chill it is you that is always hostile maybe once you could just agree to disagree with some one without accusing them of things or suggesting they are stupid or insulting them. When this is exactly what you are doing for pity's sake grow up. If there is award for ESATO'S most argumentative and conflict inducing member you win it easily no contest.
Marc
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