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B.J.
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i like SE but personally aside from the BT, Playstation, and the other weird toys and techs that SOny and SE made, i personally think they're not innovative, it's a matter of combining technologies into one and making it look good, or imitate other techs and improving it, just like the 1megapixel race in which 7610 was first but in the end, SE came about with the s700- which was good and better;- nothing new but way more enticing. Sometimes you expect so much from SE-- but here's what's the real score... SE had it been a car manufacturer, it would've been Toyota and other econo brands, which aims to place a 1- 2liter engine and intorduce new technology to reduce gas price and the car price it self. Had this been another metaphor thread, then SE, based on your desires, would become more like Prosche, Ferrari or Koeniggsegg- companies which place newer,hotter design paired with INNOVATIONS which would enable the car's price to sky rocket as well as the gas consumptin too... YOu don't need SE to create more high tech and innovative fones, instead tell those peeps to create a subsidiary co. aside from SE and a NEW, INNOVATIVE, more EXPENSIVE fones the least. Just make sure you'd buy them.
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S4k1s
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@Yazan24 I thought we were done here, but noo you want to continue posting, have the last word and then lock the thread .. 
I'm not getting personal in this post, don't make me go personal on the next though.
and if you want to reply to my post don't type "him" type "S4k1s".
N7250 and T610 are not in same league, I posted the specs for you. Was 7250 released b4 T610?
When you put a Bluetooth chip in a phone it's just a implementation, even if you invented it.
16 color screen didn't open up endless possibilities.
The first pixel screen did, even though it was monocrome.
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| Innovation is in the eye of the beholder. This is especially the case with many SE diehard fans, but I was just trying to point out that Ericsson devices were more revolutionary than those provided by SE.
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I'm not a SE diehard fan. And this is not a thread about Ericsson Vs. SE.
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Your point is? P-Series is part Ericsson part Sony.
Sure Prototype was made by Ericsson, but it was never released as a product. You can se the phone in first Tomb Rider movie. I developed programs for it in Kista, yes I worked for Ericsson. So don't try to lecture me.
That phone and P-series is not the same, it changed a lot in the hands of the SE people == new product
Who are you to say Sony didn't have a similar product and they just combined them together?
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| The Menu's SE provided, are not their own, theyre based on the T68m which Ericsson made. |
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Actually menus in SE phones are not made by SE. They are made by Ericsson Mobile Platforms, 100% Ericsson owned company.
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| The W800, isnt innovative because its just a small upgrade from the K750i, as someone pointed out, its innovative marketing skills, but its really not since this approach has been taken by Nokia and other manufacturers for a while now. |
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You are wrong. Just like 16 colors opened "endless possibilities" in your eyes, 2MP can open "endless possibilities" for other people. Now people can use the phone as a real digital camera. Just think of the endless possibilities u have with a 2MP camera phone. 
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| I also want to be clear that in my definition of innovative technology, I dont mean combining several existing features into one handset, I mean introducing an entirely new technology, or implementing an old technology in a totally new field which opens up endless possibilities. |
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I can tell you that you didn't clear it up a bit here... you just keep bluring your definition
You say two different things here. You can't eat the cake and still have it left .. Either it is innovative to combine technologies or it's not.
NOTHiNG opens up "endless possibilities". Not even BT.
So you say size don't matter? K600is still the smallest 3G camera phone. N70 is the smalles 2MP 3G phone cuz it's the first 3G 2MP phone. (correct me if I'm wrong here) To make small packed phones u need Innovative solutions.
And final thought here ... as I told you b4, use same level of judgement when you judge all companies. Small things can be innovative. 16 color screens didn't change the life of mankind neither did BT ... nor did they open up endeless possibilities |
S4k1s
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btw off topic .. speaking of Nokia .. they release 3 new phones today N90, N91 and N70 .. looks good ... SE really need to be Innovative and counter them now |
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Yazan24.
You seem like the guy who likes to stir up trouble, have the last word etc. well we're not having it.
you have been proven wrong my friend
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Scots:
The use of memory sticks, in general was used in handsets, at that point, SONY was innovative, and the invention of bluetooth ERICSSON was innovative, but I dont quite see the innovation with them combined.
Thats my logic.
That also answers your question Vivek, they released innovative technology before, and are yet to do it.
I believe that its because theyre still a new company, and they will probably surprise us in the future.
I think theyre not really trying, because theyre in a very bad position, they barely survive, and its not really a profitable venture for sony, so theres no room for spending millions for long term projects, they first need to get a steady reputation and a constant income.
Once they stand steady on their feet, I think we'll be seeing amazing things from them.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-04-27 17:09:42, Yazan24 wrote:
Scots:
The use of memory sticks, in general was used in handsets, at that point, SONY was innovative, and the invention of bluetooth ERICSSON was innovative, but I dont quite see the innovation with them combined.
Thats my logic.
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Yet you say that you believe existing technology used in new ways is also innovative or are you going back on that statement now?
The changing of memorystick usage to memorystick duo usage would seem to fit the statement you made about existing technology being used in a new way. That change occurred in SE handsets, not Sony or Ericsson handsets.
The combination of Bluetooth and memorystick support into a handset would seem to suggest a new application of exisiting technologies i.e. combining them both in the one device, which again would fit the statement you made previously.
What exactly is your point in all this? As far as I can see you don't actually have one other than to start a deliberately controversial thread in the hopes of generating attention.
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vivek_h
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On 2005-04-27 17:09:42, Yazan24 wrote:
Once they stand steady on their feet, I think we'll be seeing amazing things from them.
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now thats a good way of putting it...
the problem was that u were too negative about se all togehter...as if they had no hope to be innovative..
thats y everyone was so aggravated in the thread...
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Yazan!
you think you know the ins and outs of Sony Ericsson and it's profits!
How do you know!
If you look at the quarter results, after being a company for a mere 4 years they are doing well.
They are supported by many networks and shops and they ARE innovative.
You dont have to invent something to be innovative, if you actually read the dictionary you will find what it means!
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Scots:-
Im not going back on my statement, let me clarify what I meant, I mean putting existing technology (which are not usually in handsets) into handsets are innovative, by technology, I dont mean to go as precise as memory sticks, lets call it expandable removable memory, and it was already done by Sony, and the camera feature, putting a camera in a phone was innovative, going to megapixels was slightly innovative, then increasing megapixels less or not innovative.
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Theyre not doing well, in comparison to other PURELY communication companies theyre doing horribly.
If you notice there isnt a general increase in profits with trend, they break even, and make little profits, you have to realize that although the profits may seem high, for such a venture and the cost of the actual venture, its not that profitable when looking at alternatives for both companies.
Of course some may argue since ericsson were on the brink of going out, they dont have that many alternatives, but sony does.
So theyre not doing that well as a venture.
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Thanks, I just didnt put it well in the beginning, By saying SE have never been innovative, I didnt mean it wont in the future, its still a new company, and still has plenty up its sleeve Im sure.
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goldenface
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There is a thread somewhere on here containing a link to an independent survey on CEO s and Managers whereby  was voted very high in the list of "Top 100 most innovative companies.". It was recent and they came in at No 11 or No 2 or thereabouts. Someone post the link. . . . |
Indiandawg
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SE is innovative and lemme tell u the inovations arnt brought out in public very soon cause they have to earn...and dats business
if u know there is pentium 1/2/3/4 centrino etc etc....
but the nasa and other big companies got...pentium upto 16 which works awsome means awsome....but yet not in the market...1 by 1...they releasing it....( according to 1 of the computer engineer whom i had talk to)
so u see innovation iz der all around but...ders certain time to display it!!
another thing iz i lyke se cuz of its richness n itz a quality phone
but yet i cant say its got the best features juzz becuz i use SE everytime nop...m use to se and i love dat brand and iz got name
but features..na na...look at n-gage it is a really fantastic phone if u see in a diff manner as a gaming device which none of the cell phone companies gave a try
look at 7710 its got every connectivity technology which SE highest model p910i dosnt has
look at 6600 a afordable symbain cell phone while SE got k700i and it dosnt rox in front of 6600 whtever it is...the fact iz proved
i say people say dat nokia comes out wid minor changes in every model but there r price changes too... SE shud come up once wid...5-6 cell phones wid..diff...features + diff prices...example k700i + k750i + v800 + k300 + k600 shud b launched at the same time so..people get choice to buy cuz everyone arnt rich to buy cell phones...now...
SE is also smart... they know if they come out with mid range price UIQ cell phone den the demand for P series will be low and cant compete with the big rival nokia communicator. fair enough
conclusion is SE shud come up with mid range but with UIQ version which is less than p series which is very fair enough...deal with cell phone users
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Yazan24
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You are right IndianDawg
But K750i -> W800, very similar phones different marketing different prices,
A similar approach to Nokias method.
But SE are innovative but not mainly in technology, more in design and aesthetics.
T610, work of art. Big screen on small phone, this is the path all other manufacturers started taking.
They lead in design, you will see tonnes of copycats of the T610 and other phones because of how SE redefines handset design.
Technology isnt as easy as design, thats why I think only time will tell SE's skill.
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I just said him, cause I coulndt remember what your nickname was, I dont think I have it right now either
But I believe size isnt an issue, because there are dozens of alternatives which are within the same range, so its not a big jump, the same with the increase in megapixels, because its not that big a jump, the first camera phone was a big jump, AND the first megapixel camera phones, gradually increasing, not that big of a deal.
I know your not a diehard SE Fan, and I know you were just trying to correct me in regards to the N7250 SET610 statement, but it was a miscommunication thing, because I said N7250 was in the same range of size, thats why I dont think the T610s size is innovative. And I tried to correct you correcting me, and our entire argument was based on miscommunication.
For the record I just wanted to close this thread, not to have the final word, just because it was turning into one big flame war, I think we're on the right track now though.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-04-27 17:53:09, Yazan24 wrote:
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Im not going back on my statement, let me clarify what I meant, I mean putting existing technology (which are not usually in handsets) into handsets are innovative ...
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But then this would be new technology. A camera is not new technology, a camera that has the ability to make a phone call is. A phone that can make phones calls is not new technology, a phone that can take a picture is.
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by technology, I dont mean to go as precise as memory sticks, lets call it expandable removable memory, and it was already done by Sony,
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So in other words what you are saying is that you will pick and choose what constitutes technology so as to fit your argument? The memorysticks Sony used were full sized memorysticks, not the smaller duos, therefore one can argue that it is a new technology. An abacus will perform the same basic function as a calculator, but they are different technologies.
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and the camera feature, putting a camera in a phone was innovative, going to megapixels was slightly innovative, then increasing megapixels less or not innovative.
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But then Ericsson never put a camera in a phone though, Sony Ericsosn continued where Sony and Ericsson left off.
Increasing the quality of something can be innovative depending on how it is accomplished. Is a new phone going to have a different sensor? Will it use a new power management system? Will there be a new OS? At a fundamental level all technological advance is improvement over exisitng technology, but we would still describe it as being innovative.
The mobile phone itself is an improvement over the earlier telephone and radio technologies, it isn't a completely new concept. Television is an improvement over radio, the idea of sending information through the air not being anything new. Innovation isn't necessarily a brand new technology, because there is never really any technology, which is completely new, they merely lead on from that, which already exists.
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S4k1s
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so what you saying Yazan24 is that SE is the most innovative designers? |
vivek_h
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i think  --> very good designers
i love the way they makin u turn the k750 to the side to snap pics...and nice cybershot like menu
also the camera button has been kept on the right side bottom....
makes takin pics very ergonomic and digicam like...
yall get what i mean?
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