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amagab
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As bad as war is and wish it could be avoided I have to agree with diggy.
US/UK and its allies are enforcing the cease fire that was established in 1991. Iraq has not lived up to the cease fire and has in the last 12 years illegally developed and imported weapons. SADDAM HUSSEIN is the one that has been VIOLATING INTERNATIONAL LAW.
However, it would have served the US better if someone else than Bush was President....it is easy to judge him for being son of the elder.
The day Iraqi people enjoys their freedom the truth will be revealed.
Until then, let's hope for minimum casualties.
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scubba_steve
Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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I just want to let everyone that has posted on this topic know that I value your opinions.
I think it is good to get other perspectives on this unfortunate situation. I may not always agree with what is said, but I do value the different opinions.
In the end the truth will be discovered. Whether the US is wrong or right.
Lets all hope this conflict will be over soon.
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francine
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nyk_2702
Joined: Mar 29, 2002
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@ the pro-war ppl,
U sed that Iraq hav Weapons of Mass Destructions... Where R they ?
Is Saddam gona take them to his grvae with him ? Or has he built hem to put on show in his palaces?
If Saddam had the ability to Nuke the USA, you think he wudnt have taken it ?
Whn Colin Powell went to the UN to show them the evidence, His evidnce about Iraq weapons program was shown as being a LIE by Hans Blix...
As for their evidence that Iraq & Al-Qaeda work together, Whats the truth? The USA gov'ts word?
As for the USA, wat has the USA done about Israel's Weapons program? Or its massacres in LEbanon & Palestine?
Go to
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=22978&forum=22&start=100
On this u'll C the amount of Resolutions that the USA has Vetoed which would hav helped control Israel..
But since the USA needs a strong Anti-Arab in the Middle Easr Israel is able to do as it pleases...
This is why when something such as 9/11 occurrs Arabs arent bothered 2 much about American feelings. Its because they hav been suffering in Iraq & Palestine for 2 long
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amagab
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I never claimed Iraq has WMD. I said that after the cease fire in 1991 they have acquired weapons that could be used to attack their neighbors a k a offensive weapons. Iraq signed the cease fire in 1991 saying they cannot have any of such weapons. As well all know, they have violated that cease fire contract by importing weapons from Russia, Serbia, and N. Korea.
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nyk_2702
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So Iraq has acquired some banned weapons, what about the USA's weapons ?
The USA has attacked more countries than ne other.
Iraq shud be allowed to have weapons to defend itself.
On BBC tv, they had a documentary about the war, in which they showed that some of the Iraqi tanks are from 1955!!!!!!!!!!
How r these a threat?
Israel HAS a weapons program, it spends more than 50% of its US aid on Military programs n weapons..
Y hasnt the USA attacked it ?
Saddam has not shown ne aggression to its neighbours since 1991, the USA has not shown anything that proves otherwise..
As for the USA complaining about the Iraqi's acquiring weapons such as Night Vision Goggles, how r these going to help, if the Iraqi's fire power is 1/100 of the USA's ?
The USA has no moral justificatiion for this war
Its just an oil rich country which will B taught a gud lesson hopefully, so it stops its bullying, and its STUPId push for its so-called 'democracy'
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jbendaou
Joined: Feb 11, 2003
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From: Washington, DC
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Diggy, for someone who doesnt know SH*T, you talk a lot and curse a lot without making any sense..i hope u know what u just did with your post here. u just made a fool of urself. cause u didnt make any sense,,,and everything you said, was not based on any real fact, you were just blah blah blah, that is all i could read...and most of others....see other people like DARKNESS(who are pro-war), have some in their brains, but u surely dont...at least they dont curse, dont say stupid stuff, and at least give good reliable examples, but you are just a NOTHING...this is how we see you with your dumb post
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On 2003-04-01 11:00, amagab wrote:
I never claimed Iraq has WMD. I said that after the cease fire in 1991 they have acquired weapons that could be used to attack their neighbors a k a offensive weapons. Iraq signed the cease fire in 1991 saying they cannot have any of such weapons. As well all know, they have violated that cease fire contract by importing weapons from Russia, Serbia, and N. Korea.
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This makes me sick...iraq acuiqred weapons that he could use against his neighbors???!!! what about ISRAEL????oooh it is ok that israel gets weapons from the USA, cause they are good people, is that ur answer???
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amagab
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People keep forgetting that Iraq attacked innocent Kuwait in 1990 and then were forced by a world coalition to pull out of Kuwait. The cease fire agreement that was signed by leaders of Iraq and the coalition states that Iraq cannot acquire weapons to be used to attack other countries, for instance, missiles that has the range to reach outside of Iraq's airspace. Clearly, everyone knows, with the proof of UN weapons inspectors that they have violated the cease fire and has done so ever since the Gulf War of 1991 ended. I don't understand why anyone would defend Iraq for these actions.
Israel is another story and I am not at all defending US foreign policy on Israel. I want Palestine to have their own sovereignty and wish the peace process would go along. However, Hamas keeps stalling the peace process because if there would be peace they would be out of work. Also, I think there needs to be a leadership change in both Israel and Palestine.
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nyk_2702
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1st point.
The Iraqi attack on q8 in 1990 was stupid, wrong and nobody defends it.. Saddam needs to be removed YES, i dont disagree with you on this as well
However, who the hell made the USA world leader?
They werent able to get a UN resolution to attack Iraq because the UN inspections wer working..
Hans Blix stated that he has found NOTHING so far that shows Iraq has WMD.. Only USA n UK hav sed this.. Where is the proof?????
I am willing to withdraw all my comments against the USA and the UK if anybody can get me 1 Valid piece of evidence that has been shown to justify this war
Just before the USA general was telling the Iraqi Army not to kill/hurt USA troops... This is a war! Wat else r the Iraqi's going to do ?
Give the US food and water and say 'our oil is now your oil?'
The USA has managed to crew itself badly, and i dont think there is any gud coming out of this, especially if this war goes on for months
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amagab
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Well, this looks good, at least we are agreeing on some points. I do agree with you that the US has not presented their case well enough. If it is too protect their sources or just ignorance I don't know.
Yes, a lot of people don't want the USA to be the world police, even politicians in the US Congress. USA would save a lot of money by staying out of world affairs...but that is just what it is...it is WORLD AFFAIRS that affect ALL OF US. I believe there would be less terrorism if USA practiced isolation politics but can you imagine how the world would look like - how many dictatorships and great suffering there would be. Hitler, Milosevic, the Taliban, Saddam Hussein and many others. Kuwait would belong to Iraq, there would be continuous genocide in Bosnia, and over half of Europe would be occupied by Germany to just mention a few.
War is hell but I believe the outcome of the current Iraqi war will benefit us all.
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nyk_2702
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How can U even say that from this war there will be a Positive benefit ??
The attack on Afghanistan was seen by many Muslims, who like most of the world, still havent seen ANY evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.
Did u kno Bin Laden was trained by the CIA ?
Did u know the CIA armed him ?
How do u kno that this wasnt a Big US conspiracy to have a reason to control the Worlds oil ?
I mean 3,000 lives isnt much when the USA stands to make billions, if not trillions from these 'Wars'.
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
Y dont u jus wake up, get some coffee, and THEN see wats going on in World Politics ?
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scubba_steve
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How do u kno that this wasnt a Big US conspiracy to have a reason to control the Worlds oil ?
I mean 3,000 lives isnt much when the USA stands to make billions, if not trillions from these 'Wars'.
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
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@nyk_2702
Now you are just spouting nonsense... listen to you... a conspiracy... surely you can do better than that!
I will also point out that it is a well know fact that Iraq generates (in US dollars) 3 billion a year. Are you telling me that Saddam couldn’t buy an ICBM that is available on the black market. Who are some of their strongest trade agreements with? Former Soviet states, many of which have nukes... now I’m not saying that they are selling nukes to Saddam, but there is the possibility... hell it doesn’t even have to be a nuke 3 billion can buy a lot and that is a real possibility.
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nyk_2702
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Some facts about 9/11 Scuba Steve...
1 - The pentagon was aempty at the time the plane hit the building, normally, its got at least 5000 people working.. Is it a 'coincidence' that alll of these had a sick day, or were just 'taking a break' ?
2- EVERY plane which enters the USA is monitored from the ground, IF it goes off its course for more than 4 MINUTES, then fighter jets are dispatched to follow it... The planes that struck WTC had been off their course for 30 Minutes... No fighter jets were called.. hmmm...
3 - Fighter jets WERE called to shoot down a plane that was headed towards Dubya Bush.. The US gov't denies this, but there has been Eye witness reports... Who is more likely to B lying ?
4- Afghanistan ahs not seen $1 to help re-build the country after the US/UK bombing... The only places to be helped are Kabul and the Airport.. Ohh yess and that wonderful Pipeline from the Caspian sea, which provides OIL..
All the above is just a 'coincidence' ?
thats a gud joke!
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scubba_steve
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First: The first 3 rings of that wing at the pentagon was empty because it had just finished being renovated. But if you recall people on the 2 inner most rings were injured and killed.
Second: US policy on Hijacked planes has always been "do as the hijacker instructs so we can all go home" that has obviously changed now. Also what you mentioned about fighter jets being dispatched if a plane is off course, that has come into effect since 9/11.
Third: These "eye witnesses" if they were watching from the ground, how would they know that the fighter jets were given orders to shoot the plane down?
Forth: You are correct we have not built much outside of Kabul... We are not going to physically rebuild everything in their country. We will help rebuild, buy establishing an infrastructure that they can build from. We have our engineers there teaching them how to build structurally sound buildings. We have already built a hospital and are providing training on modern medicine. We have also rebuilt the university there and have brought in instructors to help teach their people. We even helped them start a military training facility so they can continue with the established order. Last I had heard the oil pipeline that you referred to was inoperative but they were working on restoring it, because its revenue for the Afghani people.
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amagab
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nyk> sorry to get personal but you've seen way too many movies.
If it was only for oil - why doesn't the US attack Venezuela to secure their oil since the exports were stopped by the socialists?
There are many factors involved in the war with Iraq. Weapons, oil, human rights violations, cease fire violations, possible Al-Qaida links (hopefully they'll give us the facts after the war), as well as possible WMD (hopefully it will never be used), and more.
If this war was unjustified...wouldn't we see more protests from Iraq's neighbors? The only one who clearly protest the war is Syria....wonder why??
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On 2003-04-02 18:10, nyk_2702 wrote:
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
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Of course Saddam has attacked US interests. Maybe you weren't around during Desert Storm. And of course hitting Israel concerns US - they are the strongest allies.
Yes, Iraqi matter IS world matter. Being as globalized as we are...pretty much whatever happens around the world is world matter.
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