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KingBooker5
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Doggman is class, I started clapping whilst I was reading, honestly that was some of the best arguments raised, which I have ever seen in an internet forum.
The truth is, religion is the cause of some the most disgusting conflicts ever occured in human history. The last couple of weeks has shown me some of the most biassed and ignorant people who I have ever come across. There are people so ignorant on this forum, they will brand Jews as pigs, and have their nation wiped of the earth, yet are all silent when a muslim straps a bomb to his back and blows up 50 innocent people.
From the mentality of some of the people on the forum, Palastenians are saints and Israel is a nation full of evil racists, hell bent to wipe Palasteinans of the map. Seriously grow up and get a grip. Both sides are as bad as eachother. I have brought this up a lot of times, but im gonna bring it up again. My family could hate every Turk in the world but they dont. I can even admit the Greeks were not necessarily innocent during the invasion of Cyprus. Thats the thing though, every one seems to be the victims when both sides are just as bad as eachother. Its a laughable reality. The thing is though, at least Greeks and Turks can be freinds and refuse to fight eachother in todays world regardless of centuries of conflict. After the invasion not one bomb was dropped in Turkey. However this is not the case with Jews and Arabs is it!? Oh no, it is endless conflicts and even today you will here muslims talk the most disgusting, racist rubbish about Jewish people.
Religion is like a big magnet when it comes to peace. However this magnet does not attract, it only repels, seperating it as far away from peace as possible! | |
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julias
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maybe none of this would have happened if israel just stopped stealing land that doesn't belong to them? palestinians are not at fault here at all.
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KingBooker5
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palestinians are not at fault here at all.
Don't usualy do this, but have to do it now.
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MWEB
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It's a crying shame that some people equate Muslims with terrorists, 99.9% of all muslims i know are honest, decent respectable people, man, i wish us non muslims had an ounce of the basic family values, work ethic, and basic respectfulness shown by them, i spend a lot of time on facebook these days, and i assure you that all the bile, venom i see expressed comes from Jewish members, NOT muslims!!
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julias
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Thats very well said MWEB i totally agree. people are quick to label muslims as the bad guys. there is far more hatred from jews.
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PeterKay
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On 2009-01-20 19:57:28, MWEB wrote:
It's a crying shame that some people equate Muslims with terrorists, 99.9% of all muslims i know are honest, decent respectable people, man, i wish us non muslims had an ounce of the basic family values, work ethic, and basic respectfulness shown by them, i spend a lot of time on facebook these days, and i assure you that all the bile, venom i see expressed comes from Jewish members, NOT muslims!!
Well said MWEB
We Muslims believe in all books sent by God and all prophets (peace be upon them all) and we would not discriminate or say evil about anyone and the teachings of the final prophet Muhammad (pbuh) teaches us these besic morals in detail.
Now, these wars are not the cause of religion, its the humans who have made it look like its the religions that are to blame, the minority of muslims who think killing people/suicide bombing is a good thing are WRONG and this is not the belief of all Muslims, but thanks to the western media Islam has been replaced with the word terrorism and many have been brainwashed, and so it seems by reading this topic.
One thing i would say guys, if you want to know what Islam is about don't watch SKY news or BBC or the UK papers, go to the source of the faith which is the Holy Quran and the teachings of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Its that simple.
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fatreg
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Can we not make this personal people?
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Dogmann
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@MWEB
Please there are good and bad people of every faith and Religion and i agree most Muslims that follow the teachings of Allah do indeed lead a highly moral life. But unfortunately they are not the ones that are extremists and terrorists and it is these people that give Islam a bad name.
But i have yet to see the state of Israel call for the destruction or wiping out of the Palestinians the same can not be said of the terrorists or Islamic extremists as shown by some even in this thread.
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Once again now i have pointed out several times that Hamas are the aggressors the ones who broke the ceasefire and the ones who launched Rocket attacks on innocent civilians. Just what reaction did you expect from Israel just to continue to let the attacks happen?
There were many opportunities for Hamas to stop the rocket attacks before Israel was forced to take more drastic action all they had to do was stop launching rockets.
Israel didn't just invade they spent days massing troops and giving Hamas a chance to call a ceasefire once again after they broke the last one and to stop launching rockets. They didn't so just what choice did Israel have but to take action to stop the attacks. Israel didn't start the attacks they reacted to the Hamas aggression and defended their citizens as any country would do.
Only one party launched rocket attacks and only one party doesn't want to talk peace and calls for the destruction of its neighbor and it's people there is your guilty party clear and simple and it's not Israel is it?
Marc
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haynesycop
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On 2009-01-20 19:45:46, KingBooker5 wrote:
When a muslim straps a bomb to his back and blows up 50 innocent people.
Correction!
When A CRAZED INDIVIDUAL straps a bomb to his back and blows up 50 innocent people.
Forget about what religion someone is, i know many law abiding, respectable Muslim's on this forum who are genuinely nice people and they don't deserve to be stereotyped into something there not because of lunatics with no morals or value for human life.
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PeterKay
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Thanks you @haynesycop
Someone talks sense!
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haynesycop
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Well it's the only worthwhile thing i could think of. If you know me well enough you'll know the amount i know about politics and religion i could write on a postage stamp. Make of that what you will but life is too short and the only thing guaranteed in life is death, morbid but true. Make the most of what you've got. I couldn't give a sh!t whether someone is, muslim, christian, jewish, black, blue or pink with yellow spots, it doesn't matter. Live and let live, if only it was that simple.
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badassmam
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Marc,
Look at how much land Isreal has taken over the years. Was the land taken legally? Look back at PK's map that he posted, if Hamas were to drops its arms then Gaza becomes Isreal. Its very simple, tell Isreal to give back the land and anybody who lays a finger on a Jewish person there, I will personally go and kick their ass. Give the land back and there will be peace.
Maybe you would just roll over and give up you land but the Palestiniains will not. If you can show me that Isreal did not steal the land, you the man but otherwise don't give this stuff about terrorism because a thief is also a terrorist the way that Isreal was formed. THE LAND BELONGS TO PALESTINE.
I will come to take your house Marc and I expect you to have the red carpet out for me since thats the way you think. If you're lucky, you can live in the shed but if your dog does a shit on MY lawn............... |
Logicbloke
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I wonder why being called a jew is pejorative in many languages
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julias
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On 2009-01-20 19:56:15, KingBooker5 wrote:
palestinians are not at fault here at all.
Don't usualy do this, but have to do it now.
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honestly, that was ridiculous, no one is innocent in war.
Excuse me and i don't mean to be rude but what war? palestinians did not start this or invade anyone's land or steal territory, its the Israeli's that started this whole thing.
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Dogmann
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@Julias
Oh come on can you not read we are talking about the current conflict and it's causes not going back over History. Israel has existed since 1948 read the information below for the most recent history of how the state of Israel came about.
" The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people." In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan."
Israel has at least tried to find peace and only expanded it's land to help improve it's peoples security from attack and has even handed back land it seized when the situation became more stable. How many times have it's Arab neighbors tried to eliminate it even attacking it on it's Holiest day in 1967 and starting the 6 day War.
If you really want to go further back and get biblical the Israelites were made slaves and taken to Egypt to build the Pyramids so maybe they fought oppression and escaped to the Holy land their land long before anyone else was there.
You know so many Arab states and Terrorist Orginisations want the destruction of Israel and to kill all the Jewish people. Yet i have never seen the state of Israel say they want the destruction of any Arab country or deny it's right to exist and declare death to all Arabs or Muslims. Israel could of acted in the same way as Hamas wants to and eliminated nearly all the Palestinians a long time ago such as when again after continued rocket and terrorist attacks they forced them out of Lebanon but they didn't although they could of easily.
Why then is it so many Arab and Muslim nations refuse to engage in peace talks then? it's them that want and encourage hostilities to continue. Iran and Hamas still today want the destruction of the Israel and to kill all the jewish people.
Since Hamas have come to power they still declare they want to destroy Israel and won't engage in peace talks it is Hamas that is causing hardship and suffering for it's people. It's Hamas that puts them at risk by launching cowardly rocket attacks from within the civilian population knowing full well retaliation is likely to cause suffering to those that deserve it the least.
Finally once again it was Hamas that broke the last cease fire late 2008 and started firing rockets once more at the civilian population in Israel. At many points during the escalation of the recent conflict Hamas could of avoided it by simply stopping firing rockets into Israel's civilian population but it didn't it continued and caused the actions to be taken for it to end. So blame Hamas for starting up the conflict once again as it wasn't Israel that attacked Gaza until the rockets were continuing to be fired and to stop them. There is no way to justify what Hamas do and to suggest Israel started it is a joke.
Now according to Islam it is illegal to carry out the many acts that Hamas does which is why the are not good Muslims just terrorists and there is no justification for their acts of terror is there? As not only is it not Islamic but it is terrorism which is never just or right. Israel has not sent rockets daily into Gaza first but Hamas has to Israel all they did was to attack where the rockets came from to make it stop.
Now really it's enough now all these justifications are without basis and the rants of the fanatical hate filled terrorist. Most of us sane rational people would all just like to see peace in the Middle East. Not this continued cycle of hate, violence and death anyone that is for continued hostilities is supporting terrorism as that what it is.
This the last i have to say on this matter unless further lies are being told as i have left Esato and only returned for this disgusting hate filled thread which was full of lies and propaganda when alerted to it by someone. Quite simply the facts speak for themselves and no amount of twisting can show anything other than Hamas brought the latest conflict on themselves and the people they are meant to serve.
@badassman
Actually your factually incorrect as over recent times Israel has actually retreated and given back some of the land it took. Much of this land was seized after being attacked and was held to increase and try and guarantee security for its peole from attack either terrorist or rocket. Now if you are saying Palestine as it was pre 1947 when it was a British Colony so wasn't the Palestinians or under their Governance anyway belongs to them well it didn't. Blame the British Government and the UN as they are the ones that gave that land to become Israel as it now is. You may also wonder why with all the Arab countries around the area with all that uninhabited land why won't give some for a Palestinian state the simple answer is they don't won't the Palestinians that close to them but that's a whole other story.
You are welcome to come and try and take my House but i should warn you Otis will rip your throat out for your trouble.
Shalom
Marc
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