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plankgatan
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have just 2 words to say:
look here:
http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=1785
(keep up the good work with your beatiful & classic phones)
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Sirhackalot
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@ Plangatan
Thats useless without showing competitors charts as well. As much as I love se I have a strong feeling Nokia's sales rape se in all 4 quaters just because of the plain n simple fact they are inexpensive, easy to find, in almost all carrier package plans, and are popular.
Just came back from New Jersey and all you see in the AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon dealers are phones like nokia, motorola, and samsung. Se is no where to be found and America probably has more cellular phone owners the all of Europe. Says alot bout them Sales Plank!!!
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Dups!
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@Plankgatan
What's the point of digging up old stats? We're dealing with 2008 and things don't look as rosy as they once did.
SE's ship is sinking and it will be very interesting to see what Dick's strategy offers in the next 6 months. He does seem like he knows where he wants to go and how to get there.
Everything will be revealed Q1 next year. I think by then SE will have a clearer picture as they'd be having result and a definite strategy and maybe new, innovative and better products.
Should the results not improve then there'll be serious problems.
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Paul in LA
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On 2008-08-17 16:11:28, Sirhackalot wrote:
@ Plangatan
Thats useless without showing competitors charts as well. As much as I love se I have a strong feeling Nokia's sales rape se in all 4 quaters just because of the plain n simple fact they are inexpensive, easy to find, in almost all carrier package plans, and are popular.
Just came back from New Jersey and all you see in the AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon dealers are phones like nokia, motorola, and samsung. Se is no where to be found and America probably has more cellular phone owners the all of Europe. Says alot bout them Sales Plank!!!
Plank's taken it upon himself to be SE's spokesman. I'll assume that's why he posts 30+ pics a day in the C902 thread to prove some point. |
plankgatan
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you guys are bunch of losers. allways found something to complain about.
have you nothing else to write regarding this topic.....
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Paul in LA
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On 2008-08-17 17:21:49, plankgatan wrote:
you guys are bunch of losers. allways found something to complain about.
have you nothing else to write regarding this topic.....
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-08-17 16:24 ]
Loser? Harsh. You have to admit you've taken over the C902 photo thread since day one. I call 'em like I see 'em. Simple. |
plankgatan
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@paul in la, how cares what you saying, you just nag about stuff who is totaly off topic.
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carkitter
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On 2008-08-17 16:11:28, Sirhackalot wrote:
@ Plangatan
Thats useless without showing competitors charts as well...
Err... your quite wrong. Read the thread title again, it says nothing about Nokia.
On 2008-08-17 16:52:49, EMS06 wrote:
@Plankgatan
What's the point of digging up old stats? We're dealing with 2008 and things don't look as rosy as they once did.
Those stats aren't old as such. They cover all 2007 which wasn't that long ago - it's only August. Those are the months that this years figures are being compared to so they are very relevant.
Just because you're down on SE doesn't mean the stats back up your grievances. My country has seen two Q's in a row of negative growth, should we all panic? Now is the time for good decision making and investment which is exactly what SE is doing.
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The points that were raised are valid.
- financially or in terms of profit, SE is struggling. Do you have any concrete info to the contrary? No.
- SE's products have lost the competitive edge since mid-2006. Do you disagree? Prove it, which I know you can't.
- SE's high end offering is practically non-existent. The old P1 and the W960 are regarded as high end which is a shame when you consider that the former is STILL a P990i with more ram, the latter STILL offers nothing new.
If the best you can do is call others names without real and constructive input then you're blinded by your loyalty to SE.
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carkitter
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Asking questions and answering them in the same sentence shows that you're not interested in debate, only your own opinion. How unusual that SE's critics seem convinced that they know everything. 
@Paul101
You're criticising Plankgatan for posting photos in a photo thread and for defending SE on an SE Forum?
What's up with that? 
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Hi Carkitter!
Maybe you'd care to state what it is from my post you consider "my opinion"?
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carkitter
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On 2008-08-17 17:33:30, EMS06 wrote:
The points that were raised are valid.
- financially or in terms of profit, SE is struggling. Do you have any concrete info to the contrary? No.
- SE's products have lost the competitive edge since mid-2006. Do you disagree? Prove it, which I know you can't.
- SE's high end offering is practically non-existent. The old P1 and the W960 are regarded as high end which is a shame when you consider that the former is STILL a P990i with more ram, the latter STILL offers nothing new.
If the best you can do is call others names without real and constructive input then you're blinded by your loyalty to SE.
SE is not struggling. On current information they are breaking even not losing money. They have paid their stakeholders a big dividend recently and invested heavily in R&D both of which affected net profit this year.
Motorola are struggling. SE are simply "faced with increased challenges" ATM. If Q3 and Q4 results don't improve than they will begin to struggle. Q3 results will probably include UIQ/Symbian foundation write-offs too so don't get overexcited about that.
SE products are as competitive as ever. A200 UI has been widely commended for its usability, style, media player/walkman player. The products are impressively thin and full featured despite some notable exceptions of A/F and Wifi in certain models. The market is booming in the low end where SE is underrepresented and Nokia are over represented.
SE has lowered mid range pricing to shift stock; this will affect profits but with the highest ASP in the 'Big 5' SE can afford to do it.
SE are makers of Java phone who also do a niche Symbian range. These Symbian models always hang around longer than the Java phones, what else is new? For a massive Smart phone range see market leaders Nokia.
P1 improvements are more than just RAM, what about the 3.2MP cam and Qwerty keyboard with 2 letters per key. I'm sure Mizzle can provide more info than I can on this subject. W960 is SE's only phone with TS or wifi and first with 8GB HD. Without it SE would have no entrant in the multimedia smartphone category at all.
I'm not blinded by loyalty. The non-SE phones I bought last year only served to confirm SE's superiority. My V640i further confirms it. Some SE models I wouldn't touch with a 10" barge pole, others I lust after with a passion. Isn't that normal?
Anyway, 'blinded by loyalty' is just a throwaway line used by people with weak arguments to fool naive, ill-informed members into taking sides. Are you 'blinded by hate'? Isn't Loyalty a better trait to possess than Hatred?
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For the record, I'm hoping SE turns the corner. I've been with them since the beginning of the joint venture only to buy from another manufacturer this year. So, I'm not criticising them out of hate but because they stopped being as innovative as they once were. For many of us they have fallen back. As for the statement about blind loyalty, that was directed at plank for calling people losers.
Maybe our understanding of "struggling" differs but for me the fact that they are 97% down on the profits compared to last year suggests they aren't doing well. They've advanced reasons for that which, as far as I'm concerned, are a load of crap. Why are they the ONLY manufacturer (exclude Motorola as they have their own sorts of problems) affected?
I will agree with you that the A200 is not too bad bar the early bugs. The lack of Wifi, GPS and HSDPA among others when other manufacturers have had them for a while tells you of their lack of competitiveness. Also the fact that they were the leaders in music and camera phone but now are trailing behind says they aren't where they used to be.
As a matter of fact, they had the best smartphone(s) around but also lost that crown. Even if they gave us one smartphone in one and a half years it was worth the wait.
They got us used to the highest quality offerings that it is difficult for a lot of us to accept what they have become. I like the X1 and am still considering it but they need to up the game.
If you read my earlier post I mentioned that Dick looks to be the kind of man who knows where he wants to go and how to get there. So, all's not lost. Having said that though, I'm not going accept inferior products from a once leading manufacturer when I know they can do better.
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Dogmann
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@Carkitter and all
They are investing heavily in R&D so they sacked most of their staff in UIQ and another 2000 SE employees. That doesn't sound or look like investing heavily in anything more like heavy duty cost cutting to me.
2007 already saw their market share falling back and this year has been a disaster for them the last Quarter especially so. Quite simply there just aren't enough of you SE fans boys that blindly believe in SE to make it a major player or successful as proved by their dropping market share and profit.
If all you SE fans where right and those of us that criticise SE where wrong that just wouldn't be happening would it? But the market has shown exactly what they think of SE and it's products falling sales and falling profits say it all.
You also think we all hate SE which is just not true but the way to make SE improve is to tell them how we feel not tell them how great they are especially when this isn't true. Unfortunately trying to engage them is pointless as they just don't take on board anything that is said and like their fans live in their own little fantasy world where somehow they still believe they are great and making high spec handsets neither of which is true.
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carkitter
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@EMS06
Your statements are just a repeat of everything Dogmann has said recently and I've already busted those myths elsewhere.
@Dogmann
I don't deny SE have issues at the moment, that's plain to see. But your interpretations are way off; your sense of betrayal directed at SE has blinded YOU to the directions they are currently taking and quite frankly we SE fans are sick of your childish tamtrums dressed up as experience. We are here to enjoy ourselves and our SE phones, not to be abused by you. This is our forum and increasingly it seems, not yours! Why do you persist here? Will no other forum have you?
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