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K850i vs N95 pic quality |
mario2004
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There is one thing which I found very problematic with the k850i's camera - chromatic aberation/blue fringing. That can't be sorted out by soft/firmware ! If one tries to filter that out - mismatched colors will be the result. SE have suffered a lot after having to repay Ericsson over 100million USD at the begin of the year. The k850i is but one of the victims. Se just began showing very nice profits and growing very well. Ericsson should have waited another year for their money. The Ceo was involved in BIG discussions with both parent companies and eventually left SE. They've already had a drop in profits for the last quarter and judging by the sells in oct. the drop will widen in this quarter. Bad SE, very BAD !
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razec
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AbuBasim:
that's what we are yearning matey!!! i can feel SE Eu's own 5Mp CCD phone for outside japan upcoming!  we wish 
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mongoose3800
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Have you guys looked at the comparisons on this site: http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
It is quite clear that the K850 lost in every single shot. The k850 shots are far more grainy and no where near as sharp. This is the 2nd site with comparisons that shows a vast difference in photo quality of the two camera's. And the differences are consistantly the same. Even the most dedicated SE fan would have to give the N95 a victory for it's photo quality. I'll be hanging on to my K800 for sometime yet. |
AbuBasim
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On 2007-11-01 02:15:04, mongoose3800 wrote:
Have you guys looked at the comparisons on this site: http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
It is quite clear that the K850 lost in every single shot. The k850 shots are far more grainy and no where near as sharp. This is the 2nd site with comparisons that shows a vast difference in photo quality of the two camera's.
Overdoing the noise reduction and sharpening doesn't equal quality! Both K850i and N95 photos look like sh*t to me. But with the K850i you at least have the choice of doing further post processing off-camera, while N95 photos already are beyond any hope of saving. You can't undo excessive noise reduction.
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razec
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On 2007-11-01 06:41:00, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-11-01 02:15:04, mongoose3800 wrote:
Have you guys looked at the comparisons on this site: http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
It is quite clear that the K850 lost in every single shot. The k850 shots are far more grainy and no where near as sharp. This is the 2nd site with comparisons that shows a vast difference in photo quality of the two camera's.
Overdoing the noise reduction and sharpening doesn't equal quality! Both K850i and N95 photos look like sh*t to me. But with the K850i you at least have the choice of doing further post processing off-camera, while N95 photos already are beyond any hope of saving. You can't undo excessive noise reduction.
This what i always try to pinpoint to everyone who declares N95's image quality as winner over K850. K850 can also perform those overprocessing and oversharpening at N95's level and lets see if anybody could dare to say N95 pics are sharper. another was that if it is possible to remove N95's post processing gimmick, all pictures will look grainy, blurred and noisy just like K850 since they both uses the same crappy CMOS sensor
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mib1800
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On 2007-11-01 08:47:25, razec wrote:
This what i always try to pinpoint to everyone who declares N95's image quality as winner over K850. K850 can also perform those overprocessing and oversharpening at N95's level and lets see if anybody could dare to say N95 pics are sharper. another was that if it is possible to remove N95's post processing gimmick, all pictures will look grainy, blurred and noisy just like K850 since they both uses the same crappy CMOS sensor
Noise reduces details and K850 photos has plenty of noise. How about "white haze" and the unnatural color of K850? You just can't turn crap shots of K850 into amazing shots no matter what processing you do.
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mali019
Joined: Feb 12, 2007
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The picture quality of k850 is a big dissapointment for me.I was expecting much more from SE.I'm gonna buya a n95 instead of a k850.They are both the same price anymay. |
mongoose3800
Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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Well honestly, if I were in the market for a new phone (which i'm not) I would be going for the N95 8mb. It would seem to me it has addressed the issues of the original N95 - it's just a shame they removed the lens cover. |
AbuBasim
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On 2007-11-01 10:02:58, mib1800 wrote:
Noise reduces details and K850 photos has plenty of noise. How about "white haze" and the unnatural color of K850? You just can't turn crap shots of K850 into amazing shots no matter what processing you do.
Do you honestly think that the N95 would produce less noise than the K850i??? They both have CMOS-based cameras!!! That you see less noise from the N95 is not due to it's [sarcasm]superior camera quality[/sarcasm]. Without it's brutal noise reduction the N95 photos would look pretty much identical to the ones from the K850i - minus purple fringing and other optical imperfections of course.
On 2007-11-01 10:48:42, mali019 wrote:
The picture quality of k850 is a big dissapointment for me.I was expecting much more from SE.I'm gonna buya a n95 instead of a k850.They are both the same price anymay.
If the K850i and the N95 were the only choices, then I would pick the N95. Why? Because of Symbian S60, GPS and VGA-quality video recording. For about the same price!
On 2007-11-01 11:03:25, mongoose3800 wrote:
Well honestly, if I were in the market for a new phone (which i'm not) I would be going for the N95 8mb. It would seem to me it has addressed the issues of the original N95 - it's just a shame they removed the lens cover.
Is 8MB so much to brag about? 
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outmyway
Joined: Sep 04, 2007
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The N95 doesnt have a flash - The K850i does.
The N95 will be useless in low light/indoors shots ...
I too like the N95, its such a shame no Xeon flash ..... |
tai020381
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On 2007-10-31 05:36:55, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-10-31 05:11:29, razec wrote:
Anyway SE Japan has just announced a new member of the SE cybershot family: SO905iCS - if it's sold outside japan then this will surely replace K850's position as the best imaging phone
This really caught my eye:
Here are some pictures of the Japanese Sony Ericsson SO905iCS Cyber-shot phone, that will be announced as a part of DoCoMo’s new 905i lineup of phones.
SO905iCS will feature a 5.1 megapixel CCD camera with auto focus and Cyber-shot branding. Furthermore it’ll have a 3x optical zoom (4.5 - 13.5 mm). It’ll also have a xenon flash, something looking like face recognition and I must say it looks like a real camera!!
(The whole blog post is here.)
This is one mother of a camera phone! This is what M-R talked about when they said that SE would be using the same 5MP Sony sensor as in i-mobile's 902!
Shame that this is only for the Japanese market 
If they release anything similar globally then even die-hard N95 fans would be chucking their phones (At least those who actually care about photo quality!)
Errr, sorry to burst your bubble again. This model houses a CMOS sensor again ^^ BUT, lets hope that SE produces a GOOD CMOS sensor that is on par with CCD sensor! CMOS has the capability!!~~ |
Dogmann
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@outmyway
Good points if only the Xenon flash actually fired at the right time but seeing as it currently doesn't it's only any use on paper not in real life. Whilst it is not every K850 it does seem to be a fair amount by the number of people that are complaining and even on their 2nd unit already.
I thought the whole point of these Camera phones was point and shoot, just how many users are going to want to start changing exposures and fiddling with settings before taking a picture. Or having to manipulate their pictures on a computer with software to start getting decent results. Which is really funny as you are complaining that the N95 does this so has better pictures but the K850 would be as good with extra work.
I really don't think it is even disputable that so far the K850 has failed to live up to what many expected it deliver, hell even reviewers that previously praised SE are now openly criticising them.
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plankgatan
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i dont know if some of you have seen some good k850 pics..(it sounds that you only have seen some crappy review/compare pictures)
its something odd with the reviews from ex, GSM Arena, (obvious its a Nokia fanboy who take the pictures...some of the k850 pictures looks like hell..)
if you get pictures with this quality..im convinced that the camera is realy good.......ive seen good pictures from N95 to...i think the camera is the only thing on (original) N95 who actaully is good......the rest of the phone feels realy cheap.
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F1
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nice shot of the tap |
mongoose3800
Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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Why the persistence with resized shots. They prove absolutely nothing. I'll prove my point - Below are some quick spur of the moment point and shoot shots I have previously taken on my K800 and old W800. Apart from being resized to 640x480 they are totally unaltered:
A shot of tap taken on K800:
Here, three old 2mp shots taken my old W800:
They all look just as good to me as the shrunk K850 shots. They also look far better at full res than any K850 shot I've seen so far. What's the advantage of a K850 if all you're going to is shrink shots.
Oh, and here's a resized picture of my backyard taken on friends N95. It too looks pretty good a full res:
Plankgatan, I'm/we're still waiting for you to deliver on your promise of posting some full size samples of images you have posted. |
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