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SE failing in producing good phones? |
jafribah
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does anybody agree that n95 only make slight profit or just break even with all those technologies incorporated? just wonder how many n95 they can sell all these while even though consumers seem hungry to grab one,so far i have not seen one with any of my hundred friends, i think nokia have the financial muscle to bring out such device but not SE, it is too risky with such investment, SE is going for maximum profit, market share is second | |
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shery
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"why dont se make a mixture of a walkman phone wiht a good camera like a k800i"
they have: t650i !!!
So t650 cam quality = k800 and has walkman quality media player with megabass? |
QVGA
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On 2007-05-20 02:24:53, jack77777 wrote:
Sony ericsson have the advantage over any other mobile manufacter because they literely "just do it" - enough said.
"why dont se make a mixture of a walkman phone wiht a good camera like a k800i"
they have: t650i !!!
[ This Message was edited by: jack77777 on 2007-05-20 01:27 ]
please elaborate what you said. how is T650 better in music than K800? |
Bambino
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BobaFett
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if se would put all their succesful features in one fone, they coudlnt sell so many different models. in every fone is a certain segment forced, like cyber shot or walkman. its actually the way what nokia did since ages
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max_wedge
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good point. SE are copying Nokia strategy.
SE phones used to be all-in-ones, like K700 for example. Then they started to release bulk new models in a range of different segments. J series, w series, m series, even an f series phone (but only the one f - what was that all about?)
Nokia don't have any all-in-one's either even though the N95 is being touted as such - they have N series (multimedia) OR E series (qwerty-business), but no Touchscreen at all. SE have W series (music) , K series (camera) or M/P series (business - touchscreen/qwerty).
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-20 02:24:53, jack77777 wrote:
Sony ericsson have the advantage over any other mobile manufacter because they literely "just do it" - enough said.
"why dont se make a mixture of a walkman phone wiht a good camera like a k800i"
they have: t650i !!!
[ This Message was edited by: jack77777 on 2007-05-20 01:27 ]
"They just do it?". Did you just hit the enter key without thinking about this?
What has SE actually done except repackage their existing phones into different cases, use the same "OLD" technology, and then try to pawn it off as new and improved. They have not innovated in years. Nokia, Samsung, and a few others are outpacing SE when it comes to innovative products. There is nothing new in SE's line up that has not been seen before. (By them)
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-20 11:31:46, max_wedge wrote:
good point. SE are copying Nokia strategy.
SE phones used to be all-in-ones, like K700 for example. Then they started to release bulk new models in a range of different segments. J series, w series, m series, even an f series phone (but only the one f - what was that all about?)
Nokia don't have any all-in-one's either even though the N95 is being touted as such - they have N series (multimedia) OR E series (qwerty-business), but no Touchscreen at all. SE have W series (music) , K series (camera) or M/P series (business - touchscreen/qwerty).
Good points Max and Boba,
You are seeing convergent models as well as specialized phones. For the "one size fits all" consumer there are models like the N95. For consumes with less of a pocketbook, there are the less expensive models that can be tailored to specific needs. Yes Nokia has deep pockets but Sony is supposed to be the worlds leading consumer manufacturer. Too bad that innovative spirit has not made its way into SE phone that much.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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MWEB
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The camera tech incorporated into the K810i/K800i is arguably still at the cutting edge, I could stir things even further by giving you a glimpse of what lies around the corner, but obligations preclude me from doing so.
Xenon flash, and bestpic not innovative enough at £130, if i paid nearer £500 for an N95 i might rightfully expect it to do everything but make toast!!.
You have to examine what products are available in EVERY price sector, ONLY in the UPPER market sector is SE lacking a real contender.
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QVGA
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On 2007-05-20 11:56:03, mweb6161 wrote:
The camera tech incorporated into the K810i/K800i is arguably still at the cutting edge, I could stir things even further by giving you a glimpse of what lies around the corner, but obligations preclude me from doing so.
Xenon flash, and bestpic not innovative enough at £130, if i paid nearer £500 for an N95 i might rightfully expect it to do everything but make toast!!.
You have to examine what products are available in EVERY price sector, ONLY in the UPPER market sector is SE lacking a real contender.
not really, even at the same price range as, say, E65, Nokia offers much much more. |
max_wedge
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On 2007-05-20 11:35:38, sapporobaby wrote:
On 2007-05-20 11:31:46, max_wedge wrote:
good point. SE are copying Nokia strategy.
SE phones used to be all-in-ones, like K700 for example. Then they started to release bulk new models in a range of different segments. J series, w series, m series, even an f series phone (but only the one f - what was that all about?)
Nokia don't have any all-in-one's either even though the N95 is being touted as such - they have N series (multimedia) OR E series (qwerty-business), but no Touchscreen at all. SE have W series (music) , K series (camera) or M/P series (business - touchscreen/qwerty).
Good points Max and Boba,
You are seeing convergent models as well as specialized phones. For the "one size fits all" consumer there are models like the N95.
unless you have a preference for touchscreen based smartphones (as I do), where Nokia have zilcho. 
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-20 11:56:03, mweb6161 wrote:
The camera tech incorporated into the K810i/K800i is arguably still at the cutting edge, I could stir things even further by giving you a glimpse of what lies around the corner, but obligations preclude me from doing so.
Xenon flash, and bestpic not innovative enough at £130, if i paid nearer £500 for an N95 i might rightfully expect it to do everything but make toast!!.
You have to examine what products are available in EVERY price sector, ONLY in the UPPER market sector is SE lacking a real contender.
I think we are still not quite understanding. I have no problem with SE but to use: Xenon flash as a unique selling point, SE comes up lacking. For the most part the N95 does just about everything except make toast. For sure it can guide you where to go get some. In the middle range markets SE and Nokia compete virtually neck and neck technologically. It is at the higher end where Nokia has the advantage. SE seems willing to concede this market segment. Second, SE has stated that they have no intent of support non-Windows based environments. Another lack of support and innovation. Add these up and it is no wonder why Nokia is gaining new customers. It is not that SE is bad, it is that they are simply not better.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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MWEB
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The E65 is one of my favourite nokias, but your still talking circa £300, the vast majority of phones sold are well under that price level, Take your head out of the clouds guys and you will see that SE is really strong at the bread and butter level, if you want jam on top, then buy a Nokia!!
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sapporobaby
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@Max,
I hear you about the touchbased input. I had the entire SE gambit, starting with the original P800. After SE decided that they will not support Apple products and then proceeded to blame this on Apple I switched to Nokia where they have proclaimed publicly that Apple product support is a big part of their future. From there I moved to the Linux based Nokia N800. Nice device but the touch screen input was simply not up to par. For me, I would be willing to bet that I can complete tasks just as fast, if not faster than you with your touch screen.
Put a beer on it mate?
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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QVGA
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On 2007-05-20 14:18:34, mweb6161 wrote:
The E65 is one of my favourite nokias, but your still talking circa £300, the vast majority of phones sold are well under that price level, Take your head out of the clouds guys and you will see that SE is really strong at the bread and butter level, if you want jam on top, then buy a Nokia!!
I dont know where you get your E65 for 300 pounds because here its for 400-425$. | |
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