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amnesia
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again Solid, you talk about equality of humans with animals but in Islam and Christianity we dont believe this.
There is even a part in Islam I think that says that humans are higher beings than Animals.
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solidsingh
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are muslims, born as muslims or must they be circumcised first
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amnesia
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wait that doesn't make sense 
Circumcision is just a requirement, it's not what makes you a Muslim.
LOL.
Muslims do have to be Circumcised, you are born a Muslim, but when you reach the middle of your teens you have the chance to change religions at any time.
In religion class we are taught the basics of different religions.
In my class when i was 14, after learning some religions in class, one girl turned Christian and one guy decided to have no religion at all.
We're free to choose.
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solidsingh
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i thought you had to be circumcised to be accepted into the religion
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jagger2k
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the thought of being circumcised make the hairs on my back stand up, no sharpe object should be brought near that area!! is there a reason to why this has to be done?? Also i have had several muslims post leflets in my area saying "We need your help to convert as many sikh and hindu girls and women" is that not frowned upon in your religion?
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PeterKay
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That invocation itself is a good argument not to circumcise: what could be less compassionate or merciful than to hold a boy down and cut off his most intimate part?
The Quran does not mention circumcision.
The main reason given for Islamic circumcision is (ritual) cleanliness. Against this it is hard to argue, except to point out that there is no more reason for the male genitalia to be ritually unclean than the female.
What has Islam got to say on female genital mutilation?
As far as female genital mutilation is concerned in Islam, it is permissible and not obligatory. Even male circumcision is not compulsory but a Sunnah. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be banned in the sense that it has been proven by scientific and medical Islamic scholars that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.
Here is the origin of circumcision found in the ‘Covenant of Circumcision’ from the Bible.
[Gen 17:14.13] Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant." This is the covenant of circumcision.
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solidsingh
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why would god have put it on us if he wanted us to cut it off
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jagger2k
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is it true in some cases muslim girls get stiched up leaving a small hole to pee with, and then after they get married they get "Ripped open"?? i been told this is the case but not with all off them just a selected few??
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On 2005-09-27 22:47:41, solidsingh wrote:
why would god have put it on us if he wanted us to cut it off
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US?? speak for ur self, mine aint going no where!!
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solidsingh
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mines stayin put aswell
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BlueQuill
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I have read that the earlier moghuls made their women wear a "virginity lock" a kind of lock over their vagina. So that they couldnt and wouldnt cheat on them
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jagger2k
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On 2005-09-27 23:40:02, M_R wrote:
I have read that the earlier moghuls made their women wear a "virginity lock" a kind of lock over their vagina. So that they couldnt and wouldnt cheat on them
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dont the woman in robin hood have on of those? its the latest thing, evert girl is wereing them lol.  |
amnesia
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@sing, nope thats not true 
@ jagger,
those leaflets in my opinion are wrong, we are taught that we should help people see our side but not forcefully convert them.
Its odd that it specifically targets sikhs... I think thats wrong and again that just shows how some people just have a different ideology. I say it's wrong.
"is it true in some cases muslim girls get stiched up leaving a small hole to pee with, and then after they get married they get "Ripped open"?? i been told this is the case but not with all off them just a selected few?? "
That is absurd, IF that is done, it has nothing to do with the religion. I can guarantee 100% that this is not a cultural nor a religion thing.
The ONLY thing I can think of is in some countries such as Kuwait, girls have sex at a young age, so what they do is have specialized surgery to create a fake vaginal seal (you know when women are virgins they have thin layer of skin there)
They do this because they want to fool the guy into thinking they are virgins. Again this is not related to the religion, its the women who want to do this and it's very frowned upon IF it does happen.
Jagger, I know you hear these things but trust me, these are not related to the religion, these are just personal things not religious things.
Like its me saying, is it true that Christians and Shintos are shit eaters? (referring to the Germans and Japanese)
Those who do that dont do it because of their religion.
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solidsingh
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there were a group of muslims who paid young muslims 7 grand for every young sikh girl they converted, that is totally wrong, why do such groups exist
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BlueQuill
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I think it was a big lock under their skirts.....
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jagger2k
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On 2005-09-27 22:43:19, PeterKay wrote:
Even male circumcision is not compulsory but a Sunnah.
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Sorry what does Sunnah mean? sounds like a type of sushi 
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