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solidsingh
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amnesia why have you lost respect for jagger?
not nice is it but peterkay did the same thing
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PeterKay
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i get on well with jagger!
what u on about balleh?
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jagger2k
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On 2005-09-27 03:05:12, amnesia wrote:
@jagger, I've lost all respect for you.
Read through this thread, I've explained the religion clearly, just a few pages back I've repeated a general summary.
"Why is Islam making the most problems"
Guys why dont you get it, Islam isn't a living entity that controls people, these are f**ked up people that do bad shit!
Trust me, there is ALOT more crime in a western country than in the Middle East.
I see America's invasion of Iraq as making a problem, but then again someone might see it as alright.
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you lost respect in me? why is that? because i postedabout why muslims are doing suicide boming etc? i didnt say it was i said i think because thats what i have been told by a good muslim mate of mine.
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@jagger, these suicide bombers are not really muslims. This has been mentioned many times in this thread as to why and why not. A person who does not follow the teachings of Islam and the Final Messenger is not a Muslim in the sight of Almighty Allah even though the people claim to be muslims. To be a muslim you MUST follow the straight path and not the evil route.
Chapter 5 Verse 33 states:
That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
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sorry, i havent read the whole thread just the last page or 2 but i have been told that all the suicide bomber have been muslims wether they follow the straight path or evil path is a diffrent matter am talking about their religion.
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On 2005-09-23 22:57:40, PeterKay wrote:
Wise saying's from The Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
* To acquire knowledge is binding upon all Muslims, whether male or female.
* The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.
* He who travels in the search of knowledge, to him God shows the way of Paradise.
* People from the time of Adam onwards are as equal as the teeth of a comb. Arabs are not superior to non Arabs, nor are Redskinned people better than Blacks. No superiority or virture exists except in terms of Piety.
* Hail to those who are so concerned with improving their own faults, that they abstain from preoccupation with the flaws of other believers.
* He, who is a parasite to others, shall be condemned in the eyes of God, the Almighty.
* The Quest for knowledge I cherish, superior to God's worship.
* The most virtuous from among you are those privileged with scrupulous manners. Likewise, theu associate with others; while they also get along with them.
* He who indulges in a task without proper knowledge will deteriorate rather than improve the case.
* He who betrays the vicious deed of another in public, it is as though he has initiated the evil act himself.
* Do not argue with your brother, nor depress him with sarcastic humor, and do not make a promise so as to fail in fulfilling your covenant.
* Whensoever you are presented with a gift, make efforts to return the deed; if it is beyond your ability express your gratitude in words.
* Do not set up to accomplish a virtuous deed pretentiously, However, do not abandon righteousness due to shyness.
* Whomsoever intiates a graceful tradition; shall be rewarded as long as that tradition is sustained.
* There is no good in extravagence, however, there can never be extravagence in good deeds.
* Opportunities slide away like clouds.
* Victory is gained by resolution and determination.
* During the days of your life, divine breezes will blow, so watch out for them.
* Establish contact with those who have severed relations with you, and be good to those who have treated you badly.
* He who covets another's property, his sorrow shall be prolonged.
* Whenever a wise and sincere man advises you, take heed and welcome it gladly.
* There are two characteristics which cannot be found together in a believer; Avarice and a Vicious temper.
* Blessed be those who spend their excess wealth and abstain from excessive talk.
* He who calls upon his fellow Believer without their being any need, is destined to be among God's visitors.
* Whomsoever satisfies the need of a fellow Believer God shall meet his many needs.
* The most vicious among all men is he who is respected out of fear.
* I restrain you from three traits of character: Envy, Avarice and Arrogance.
* The true Muslim is the one from whose hand and tongue other Muslims are safe.
* Excessive requests from people lead to humiliation.
* Beware of obstinacy; since it begins with foolishness and ends in regret.
* Whatever you hate for yourself hate for others, and whatever you like for yourself , like for your brother.
* Adopt a cordial attitude towards your relatives and neighbours and with whomever you keep company and associate.
* There is no worship like Meditation, and there is no support more sure.
* Beware of too much laughter, since it mortifies the heart.
* The love of the world, is the root of all evils.
* Appreciate five things before five others: Your Youth before your Old age, Your Health before your illness, Your Wealth before your Poverty, Your Spare Time before your hard work and Your Life before Death.
* It is better to associate with a good friendthan to remain in solitude, while being alone is better than dealing with a vicious companion.
* Be neither a fault finder, an eulogist, a defamer nor a wrangler.
* Social gatherings should be marked by good faith, divulging the secret of a friend is breach of faith.
* I restrain you from abandoning your fellow Believers: Though in case you are obliged to do so, it should not last for more than three days.
* He who is ina position to administer punishment should all the more be encouraged to forgive.
* The best of men is he who refrains from that which does not concern him.
* The best attire of man is severity associated with faith.
* Take care not to abuse a Muslim, or accuse an honest man of lying.
* There is no quicker way to receive punishment than by committing an outrage.
* Paradise lies at the feet of thy mother.
* He who wishes to enter Paradise must please his father and mother.
* A man giving in alms one piece of silver in his lifetime is better for him than giving one hundred when about to die.
* To meet friends cheerfully and invite them to a feast are charitable acts.
* To extend consideration towards neighbors and send them presents are charitable acts.
* Keep yourselves far from envy, because it eats up and takes away good actions, like the fire that eats up and burns wood.
* Whoever suppresses his anger, when he has in his power to show it, God will give him a great reward.
* He is not strong and powerful, who throws people down, but he is strong who withholds himself from anger.
* Deal gently with a people, and be not harsh; cheer them and condemn not.
* Much silence and a good disposition; there are no two works better than these.
* The best of friends is he who is best in behavior and character.
* One who does not practice modestiy and does not refrain from shameless deeds is not a Muslim.
* No one who keeps his mind focussed entirely upon himself, can grow large, strong and beautiful in character.
* Whoever loves to meet God, God loves to meet him.
* The five stated prayers erase the sins which have been committed during the intervals between them if they have not been mortal sins.
* God is not merciful to him who is not so to humankind. He who is not kind to God's creation and to his own children, God will not be kind to him.
* Whosoever visits a sick person, an angel calls from Heaven: "Be happy in the world and happy be your walking; and take your habitation in Paradise."
* Wealth properly employed is a blessing; and a man may lawfully endeavour to increase it by honest means.
* Acquire knowledge, because he who acquires it, in the way of the Lord, performs an act of piety; who speaks of it praises the Lord; who seeks it, adores God, who dispenses instruction in it, bestows alms; and who imparts it to its fitting objects, performs an act of devotion to God. Knowledge enables its possessor to distinguish what is forbidden from what is not; lights the way to Heaven; it is our friend in the desert, our companion in solitude, our companion, when bereft of riends; it guides us to happiness; it sustains us in misery; it is our ornament in the company of friends; it serves as an armor against our enemies. With knowledge the creatures of Allah rises to the heights of goodness and to noble position, associates with the sovereigns in this world and attains the perfection of happiness in the next.
* Meditation in God is my Capital. Reason and sound Logic is the rest of my Religion. Love is the Foundationof my existence. Enthusiasm is the Vehicle of my life. Contemplation of God is my companion. Faith is the source of my Power. Sorrow is my friend. Knowledge is my weapon. Patience is my Garb abd Virtue. Submission to the Divine Will, is my Pride. Truth is my Salvation. Worship is my habit. And in Prayer lies the coolness of my Eye and the Peace of Mind.
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On 2005-09-27 15:15:29, PeterKay wrote:
@jagger, these suicide bombers are not really muslims. This has been mentioned many times in this thread as to why and why not. A person who does not follow the teachings of Islam and the Final Messenger is not a Muslim in the sight of Almighty Allah even though the people claim to be muslims. To be a muslim you MUST follow the straight path and not the evil route.
Chapter 5 Verse 33 states:
That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
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who are YOU to say whether they are or not? they claim they are, so they must be.
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ok look.
Japanese have suicide bombers, they are called Kamikaze Pilots.
Indians have suicide bombers, they are part of the tamil tigers for example.
America has suicide bombers, they are considered mental.
Islam doesn't condone such things. YOU said that all Muslims are suicide bombers (or all suicide bombers are Muslims) That is wrong, it is a sterotype and if you believe such a thing then you are clearly influenced easily.
These days you see alot of the bad side of people who are Muslims in the media. Bad and Islam just doesn't go together. It doesn't make sense.
This is the media trying to brainwash you into thinking that all Muslims are bad.
I mean sometimes I laught when I look at the BBC.
My country Qatar is advanced, has lots of buildings, has the largest shopping mall in the Middle East, lots of cars, lights greenery, but then I washed the news while they were reporting in Qatar, they had TWO camels and a tree in the background, and the reporter said, "as you can see, we are standing in Qatar"
I almost pissed myself laughing. Believe it or not, not all arabic countries have camels for example.
It's like the BBC, searched the whole Country and decided, "their's a spot of sand, lets go there"
So what happens? People believe that Qatar is a desert land.
Trust me on this, Im Muslim, my friends back home were Muslim and we dont sit around doing nothing but praying and talking about God, we do what other people around the world do, have fun enjoy life.
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solidsingh
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why do muslims not eat pork?
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-09-27 03:16:21, pachy wrote:
well, Dung beetles worship Bulshit.
Fact is ALL Religeon is only as powerfull as the attention you give it.
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The prophet is never listened to in his own land pachy. 
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Why Islam Forbids Pork?
Food and drink have direct effect on our health. That is why Islam has prescribed regulations about our food and drink. It lays great emphasis on our physical as well as moral health, because both of these are equally important for a healthy society. The abstention from eating pork is one of the steps taken by Islam to practise hygiene and to attain purity of soul.
Islam, for the cultivation of inner faculties, insists upon the cleanliness of body and the purification of soul through Salaat (prayers) Zikr (remembrance of Allah) and other devotional duties. Islam teaches us how to attain the virtues and how to give up bad habits because both good and bad grow in the man according to his upbringing, education and environment.
A human being has natural desires: food, sleep and sex being the three primary ones. He has also natural emotions: sorrow, happiness, love, fear, disgust and avarice etc. Islam doesn't recommend the complete abrogation of these impulses but offers a method of controlling them through religious education and discipline.
The prohibition of eating pork in Islam is relevant in this context. There is a saying in English that "a man becomes what he eats." According to physicians and medical experts, pork is a harmful diet. Consumption of swine-flesh creates lowliness in character and destroys moral and spiritual faculties in a man.
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Dr. E. Kazim. M.D. in his article "Medical aspects of forbidden foods in Islam" (July 1981 issue of Muslim Journal has described diseases carried or caused by the flesh of the swine. He writes:
The pig is a scavenger. It is an omnivorous animal. It eats everything. There are many disease carried from swine to man, particularly parasite infestations. Lately extensive research has been focused on senility-old age is characterized by hardening of inner lining of the blood vessels of the heart, brain etc. a process called atheroselerosis. When a clot forms, it results in coronary thrombosis or a heart attack, cerebral thrombosis or stroke.
Different dietary factors are responsible for atheroselerosis. Gross atheroma may be produced in rabbit by feeding it with cholesterol, but when you add lard (derived from hog fat) to the cholesterol, the incidence of atheroma is increased and thus you would produce coronary thrombosis, and myocardial infraction.
Besides, lard contains 2800 units of vitamin D per 100 grams and no vitamin A at all. Lately vitamin D has been held responsible for atheroma, by causing increased absorption of calcium in the blood vessels. In human beings, serum cholesterol is not dependent on the intake of cholesterol in the diet, but depends upon the proportion of animal fats in the diet, which elevate the beta-lipo protein level in the blood. Animal fats contain saturated fatty acids and these saturated fatty acids have been found to be as one of the causes of atheroma in man. Medium fat bacon contains 25% proteins and 55% fat."
According to medical research, the fat content in pork is more than any other meat (beef, mutton etc.) and it takes longer to digest. Dr. M Jaffer in an article in the Islamic Review (London) of January 1997 issue has listed 16 kinds of harmful germs, which have been discovered in pork in modern researches and the diseases, which could be caused by them. The number of patients suffering from tapeworm disease is the highest in the world among pork eating nations. Other diseases attributed to pigs are caused by tri-chinelia spirates and intestinal worms occupy first place among such nations too.
Dr. Glen Shepherd wrote the following on the dangers of eating pork in Washington Post (31 May 1952):
"One in six people in USA and Canada have germs in their muscles - trichinosis 8 from eating pork infected with trichina worms. Many people so infected have no symptoms. Most of those, who do have, recover slowly. Some die; some are reduced to permanent invalids. All were careless pork caters".
He continued "No one is immune from the disease and there is no cure. Neither antibiotics nor drugs or vaccines affect these tiny deadly worms. Preventing infection is the real answer."
After reading the statement of Dr. Shepherd, one can realize that there is no real guarantee of safety when eating pork that one would not be affected by trichina worm. That is why modern doctors advise three prohibitions during illness: no liquor, no pork and no smoking.
Muslims follow the divine law which is much higher than the medical advice. The Glorious Quran says, "So eat of the lawful and good food which Allah has provided for you, and thank the bounty of your Lord if it is Him you serve. He has forbidden for you only carrion and blood and swine-flesh and that which has been immolated in the name of any other than Allah; but he who is driven thereto, neither craving nor transgressing, Lo! then Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (16:114-115)
The above is the order from the Creator of the universe and Supreme Law-Giver. All Muslims are under the obligation to obey it. This is a plain and straightforward answer to those, who usually ask why Muslims abstain from eating pork. Nevertheless, there is no sin, if a Muslims is forced by famine or starvation to eat pork in order to save his life.
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@PeterKay
Guinness used to be given to patients in hospital.
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On 2005-09-27 16:22:16, vanquish wrote:
who are YOU to say whether they are or not? they claim they are, so they must be.
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"They Claim they are", How, they are dead?
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On 2005-09-27 17:17:56, scotsboyuk wrote:
@PeterKay
Guinness used to be given to patients in hospital.
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I'll tell you something you may not know:
If a Muslim is dying of hunger, he is allowed to eat the forbidden food to save his life whether it be pork or anything else. If a Muslim is dying of thirst, he is allowed to drink what is forbidden to him to save his life. A persons life is so valuable in Islam that he is OK to at the forbidden food if it is required to do so.
What Suicide bombers do is Wrong whether it be a muslim or not. Whoever does these evil deeds will have to answer on the day when all humankind will be running from eachother and will have no helpers.
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amnesia
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i dont know if you covered it Peter because it was such a long post.
BUT, I believe that the reason eating Pigs was prohibited is because during the old days, pigs had many diseases (probably uncurable) a common big has alot of worms or diseases, these days it's changed. Pigs are treated and are cleaned and whatnot.
Some might say "yeah, they are clean now with modern science and stuff'. the answer is simple. The Quraan is not allowed to be changed and has not changed since the day it was written. Look at the major food related problems now, I think they started from pigs.
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i think its kinda unfair, i mean i thought islam was also about equality, its not right that people think its ok to eat other animals but pigs
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