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sapporobaby
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Straight from My-Symbian:
Sony Ericsson announces the P1
Today Sony Ericsson has announced a successor to the P990i and M600i. The P1 combines the best features of both phones along with a set of powerful hardware improvements. Being almost 25% smaller than the P990 (106 x 55 x 17 mm, 124 g), the P1 includes 3.2 Megapixel camera and 400% more free RAM memory (128 MB total / ~ 80 MB free) for applications significantly improving multi-tasking performance and application behavior. It is based on Symbian OS 9.1 and UIQ 3.0. Other features include UMTS, WiFi, Bluetooth with A2DP support, VoIP, 2.6" (240 x 320 pixels) touch screen with handwriting recognition, dual function keyboard, FM radio, 160 MB of internal storage memory and 512 MB M2 memory card. The phone has similar shape to the M600i, i.e. no flip keyboard known from previous P-series models. Push email support includes Exchange ActiveSync and BlackBerry Connect. The Sony Ericsson P1 is a tri-band GPRS 900/1800/1900 and UMTS 2100 handset with WiFi 802.11b. It will be available from Q3 2007.
Note the 802.11B. The N95 has all of this and more. This looks like an M600i with a few more features.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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mustafabay
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What I think SE is currently is picking its battles. It doesn't really want to be left behind in any segment. But when you look at SE's line up there are so many candybars and not much else. I think SE is currently pushing to make its mark in the slider area. After all its quite simple only Samsung has a strong linup there, moto hasn't made amark and neither has nokia, so SE is probably trying to get its foot into that door. Of course it'll have to keep a strong presence in the candybar segment and it can't totally ignore the clamshell segment either. What's also nice is that SE's thrust for sliders has come at the same time as its thrust for slim.
What you guys don't seem to notice is SE's relative size compared to its competitors and who SE tries to compete with and when. SE is seen as a company with high tech products that can hold their own against nokia in all but the high end, which is fine for everyone but us. Now it wants to push more to the style oriented which in some ways is easier to get into. So while we sit here and discuss what SE should do I'm sure they have their hands very full trying to expand in some areas without losing in others all while making enough money to continue to expand to meet its sales expansion rate. I just hope their successfull because its on hell of a job right now.
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Arne Anka
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That's the spirit. 
Sometimes figures can be incongruous (not saying this is). That's why providing "your" particular source for a claim can be good to compare with someone elses finding.
Be aware however, that the figures in the link only includes contract phones while prepayed handsets are exluded. As your previous link showed, for prepayed handsets N95 is not even listed. |
sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-18 23:27:14, Arne Anka wrote:
That's the spirit.
Sometimes figures can be incongruous (not saying this is). That's why providing "your" particular source for a claim can be good to compare with someone elses finding.
Be aware however, that the figures in the link only includes contract phones while prepayed handsets are exluded. As your previous link showed, for prepayed handsets N95 is not even listed.
Could it be that Nokia is not offering the phone to the operators as a pre-paid subscription? Besides this is moot as the current figures do not lie. The N95 is selling very, very well, even with its reported shortcomings. Second, if they are doing this well with subscriptions, what is to say that they will not sell as well with pre-paid. Sounds like someone has gone the Boy "George" Bush school of fact spinning. 
No offense. I didn't vote for the bonehead.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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Arne Anka
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On 2007-05-19 00:24:33, sapporobaby wrote:
Could it be that Nokia is not offering the phone to the operators as a pre-paid subscription?
Could be. I'm not familiar with the UK market (no such limits where I live).
On 2007-05-19 00:24:33, sapporobaby wrote:
The N95 is selling very, very well, even with its reported shortcomings.
Have never doubt on that.
On 2007-05-19 00:24:33, sapporobaby wrote:
Second, if they are doing this well with subscriptions, what is to say that they will not sell as well with pre-paid.
The high price (for got sake, I can get a laptop for the price of an N95). But good is a relative term and depends on what you are comparing it with (if selling 10000 N95 is considered as good, selling an equal amount of an cheaper phone would probably be considered as bad if you know what I mean).
On 2007-05-19 00:24:33, sapporobaby wrote:
Sounds like someone has gone the Boy "George" Bush school of fact spinning.
On the contrary my friend. Gorgie did not need any facts or proof to make his move. Reminds me more of you than me (just joking, no offence, ).
On 2007-05-19 00:24:33, sapporobaby wrote:
No offense. I didn't vote for the bonehead.
None taken.
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max_wedge
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Hey Sapporobaby, they are hanging quite low these days (advancing years and all that!)
I'm not sure what you mean by "yaday yada yada", whether you mean to infer I'm speaking crap or what?, but since you didn't actually explain your self I don't feel inclined to defend what I was saying in that particular post. I'll let it stand for itself
Regarding something else you said, I don't drop a brand the very second they disappoint me, I'm happy to wait and see. The fact is, if the N95 had a touchscreen I'd probably go there. So from my point of view, Nokia continue to disappoint me and my needs with their lack of recognition of the strength of support for touchscreens in the market. But that hasn't stopped me acquiring an N70 recently, and even though it's more buggy than any SE phone I've ever owned (mind, I never owned a P990 LOL) I still like the little beastie. I'm not jumping up and down and complaining that Nokia are crap just because of one bad experience. Sure the bugginess (and damn slowness!) prevent me from even considering using it as my main phone. That honour remains with my K750, the most stable and reliable phone I've ever owned, bar perhaps the T28s I had years ago. But since I am on the lookout for a TS based phone with 5 way controller, neither SE nor Nokia satisfy my criteria. If I had to choose, I'd take the P1 over the N95. And again that's not a dissing of N95, which is a cool phone. It's just simple, for me a smartphone must have a Touchscreen. That's not a value judgement, ie: I don't think ALL smartphone should have TS, but FOR ME and MY needs, a TS is top of the list.
So I'm still with SE even though they don't have the best phones in the market IN SOME SEGMENTS. I'm happy with their non-smartphones, which in my view are competitive with all but Nokia's N9x series on non-smartphone based criteria. We can discuss all day what Nokia has that's better than SE on a per phone basis. This Nokia has wifig, SE only has wifib. This model has qvga video, this model doesn't. SE has touchscreen, Nokia don't. SE has better cameras than Nokia. We can go on and on with all these comparisons. But in the end, both Nokia and SE make some of the best phones on the market.
Regarding HSDPA, I actually agree. People who claim that HSDPA is a non-issue are dreaming. HSDPA is the future of 3G and SE will adopt it there is no question. They are just biding their time, which in my view (as I said before) is because they are currently concentrating on the mid-range market segments which are not as fussy about the having the ultimate internet speed (or can't afford the plans that can exploit it)
btw, re the K610, it's a very cool little phone. Nice small (same size as K750) 3G handset with great features. Basically a K750 in 3G formfactor (shame about the lack of camera AF though). The same basic ruggedness, simplicity and durabilty of the K750.
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sapporobaby
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On 2007-05-19 01:20:10, max_wedge wrote:
Hey Sapporobaby, they are hanging quite low these days (advancing years and all that!)
I'm not sure what you mean by "yaday yada yada", whether you mean to infer I'm speaking crap or what?, but since you didn't actually explain your self I don't feel inclined to defend what I was saying in that particular post. I'll let it stand for itself
They yada, yada, yada, was for : "Hey Max, get to the point and say hello to me". Your posts are spot on. I tend to agree with just everything you say. Purely, the yada, yada, yada was a joke. Sorry the lack of explanation. You still the man.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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max_wedge
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oh, sorry about that!  I do tend to jump to conclusions sometimes.
And get pre-occupied with what I'm saying! Good to see you around
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Seanyb2
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I have to say i agree too that their phones are just all the same in another skin. I went into O2 shop and had a play with K810 and could find nothing new from last one except the casing. I then had a go with N95 and even LG Shine and both were ten times more exciting to play with and hold.
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MWEB
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Well the K810i is really not much more than a tarted up K800i i agree, The N95 is one of the best AND most expensive devices out at present perhaps it's somewhat unfair to expect devices at 1/2 or 1/3 the price to be anywhere near as good.
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max_wedge
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On 2007-05-19 16:22:26, mweb6161 wrote:
Well the K810i is really not much more than a tarted up K800i i agree, The N95 is one of the best AND most expensive devices out at present perhaps it's somewhat unfair to expect devices at 1/2 or 1/3 the price to be anywhere near as good.
Exactly, besides no one claims K810 is anything more than a spruced up K800.
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shery
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Talking about expensive SE did make a very expensive and nicely designed phone.i think it was 4mp and came out way before n95.
It was called black diamond. |
QVGA
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On 2007-05-19 17:04:45, shery wrote:
Talking about expensive SE did make a very expensive and nicely designed phone.i think it was 4mp and came out way before n95.
It was called black diamond.
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Arne Anka
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On 2007-05-19 17:04:45, shery wrote:
It was called black diamond.
That was just a concept phone. |
jack77777
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Sony ericsson have the advantage over any other mobile manufacter because they literely "just do it" - enough said.
"why dont se make a mixture of a walkman phone wiht a good camera like a k800i"
they have: t650i !!!
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