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Posted by bahraini
well

Ive been a member to Esato since the early days, through it's glory time with Sony Ericsson.
I don't write a lot. but it was part of my daily visit and spent time reading the reviews , the forum , and everything else.

I really feel sad about the way Esato become .

No more reviews, or news, the lay out and the latest news is the same for years
the forum is hardly active comparing to what it used it be, I think this is normal cuz of the site situation.

I REALLY hope things change for better, I myself won't mind to give some of my time working in the site.

No need for the news to be exclusive or fastest , but let it be updates for whats going no new .

I don't know, i have some other ideas , maybe other too , but lets start changing things for better for Esato.


Posted by S4k1s
I feel you bro.

Posted by goldenface
I agree. We still, well I can't, post pictures. People need to start posting in the right thread. E.G why discuss the XZ3 in the rumours thread? It's already been announced.

Posted by Xperiaplus2
Agree with you , need to do some change

Posted by bahraini
good to know some ppl agree with me
am sure most are

lets take a first step

who own and run Esato now

is it the same guy or some new one?


Posted by Tsepz_GP
I believe a member by the name of laffen runs the forum, may be worth you contacting him. Not sure if he still looks at the forum though.

Posted by Aivar
Who knows how many days left for Esato...

Posted by bahraini

On 2018-09-09 09:31:35, Tsepz_GP wrote:
I believe a member by the name of laffen runs the forum, may be worth you contacting him. Not sure if he still looks at the forum though.



I remember him
if not him for sure someone else is keeping the place running

for sure it won't keep working all these long without any maintenance

we just need some one to answer us?

Posted by Indiandawg
I agree. It's the same old website. What really interest me is nobody is updating the news. Feb 2014 was the last article that's like 4 years ago.

Posted by razec
I've been active to this site in the past but as Social media evolves, most of the community have already moved out of forums. As I observed over the past several years, esato has been on a steady state of decline since we lost one of our beloved moderator and most of the staffs become inactive. I've been a member here for more than 12 years so It's sad that the internet community I once called home where i made lots of friends has been in an abandoned state.



Posted by Indiandawg

On 2018-09-16 21:24:26, razec wrote:
I've been active to this site in the past but as Social media evolves, most of the community have already moved out of forums. As I observed over the past several years, esato has been on a steady state of decline since we lost one of our beloved moderator and most of the staffs become inactive. I've been a member here for more than 12 years so It's sad that the internet community I once called home where i made lots of friends has been in an abandoned state.


I can totally feel you and understand. I use to be majorly active on Esato. It was my home and my first forum. Such great memories.

BTW, whom did we lost? so sad to hear about that

Posted by DarkKrypt
Hey I'm still lurking, wish I had more time to post. But as razec said social media has changed the game.
Still I like forums. We keep at it we'll be alright

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2018-09-17 03:38:51, Indiandawg wrote:

On 2018-09-16 21:24:26, razec wrote:
I've been active to this site in the past but as Social media evolves, most of the community have already moved out of forums. As I observed over the past several years, esato has been on a steady state of decline since we lost one of our beloved moderator and most of the staffs become inactive. I've been a member here for more than 12 years so It's sad that the internet community I once called home where i made lots of friends has been in an abandoned state.


I can totally feel you and understand. I use to be majorly active on Esato. It was my home and my first forum. Such great memories.

BTW, whom did we lost? so sad to hear about that


https://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=203577


Posted by bahraini
yes social media took big part out of the forum style
but it did not kill it

also this is not a reason for this place to be left alone

it's great to see ppl want for this place to be better
and am sure many ppl will come again once changes start to happen

Posted by Oogamous
I am lurking too.

Posted by tranced
Fingers crossed.

Posted by goldenface
Well, I'm spending less time on Facebook every day, same old sh*t. I always keep an eye on this forum though, just habit I guess, a hard habit to break having been here so long.

I miss being able to post pictures. I like the picture threads.

Posted by *Jojo*
Yaaaaawn . . Hello . . people ! It's Laffen's Birthday ! Cheers !

Posted by bahraini

On 2018-09-22 23:40:34, *Jojo* wrote:
Yaaaaawn . . Hello . . people ! It's Laffen's Birthday ! Cheers !


where is he to congratulate him ?

Posted by goldenface
Happy Birthday Laffen, wherever you may be.

Posted by Aivar
I just looked for the last post of Laffen. Almost two years ago:

2017 Jan 15 22:36 Esato is up again. But there are some issues.

https://www.esato.com/board/v[....]ic=208464&start=45#post3234261
[ This Message was edited by: Aivar on 2018-09-28 07:42 ]


Posted by Ben.Cook
Like others I still regularly visit... not sure why. Only habits die hard I guess.

Posted by bahraini

On 2018-09-28 08:40:19, Aivar wrote:
I just looked for the last post of Laffen. Almost two years ago:

2017 Jan 15 22:36 Esato is up again. But there are some issues.

https://www.esato.com/board/v[....]ic=208464&start=45#post3234261
[ This Message was edited by: Aivar on 2018-09-28 07:42 ]



Am sure someone is looking after the forum , or it would be dead long time ago

still hoping someone will answer us here

Posted by bahraini
I feel bad no one answered us

Posted by Boinng
I still come back from time to time just to see if this is still here (I was pretty active on here back in the day, fell out with the place and got Laffen to delete my old account some years ago, resurrected myself a while later..)

Masseur was the heart and soul of Esato. Laffen owned it and did the techy bit, but it never would have been half the site it was if not for people like Masseur beavering away on these forums.

Of course it doesn't help that Ericsson and Sony Ericsson are things of the past, and even Sony brand phones are basically nowhere now. When I started posting here originally, Ericsson/SE was an exciting innovator in the emerging mobile market, doing market leading things that made the dominant Nokia look staid and boring, it was an exciting time to be discovering these phones, looking forward to new models, getting to grips with the new features and discussing all this stuff here.. but the harsh fact is that time ended, and both SE and Nokia were dead in the water as soon as the iPhone came out. It just took people a while to realise, that's all.

Posted by carkitter

On 2018-10-16 09:45:14, Boinng wrote:
...both SE and Nokia were dead in the water as soon as the iPhone came out. It just took people a while to realise, that's all.

You're right they were, but we never would have believed it. Both Nokia and Ericsson were unable to move to the new smartphone age and Sony is clinging on for dear life.

The signs were there though; I saw on a blog called Mobile Opportunity, mention of the flaws in the Symbian smartphone market, how the mobile app community had fallen from the dizzy heights of the Palm days, how Nokia sold plenty of Symbian devices but their customers didn't buy apps and how lots of Symbian customers bought apps, but the sales were too low to make a dent. Steve Jobs saw the massive vacuum sitting there and filled it with a revolutionary UI and a fabulous app developer business model. Game over.

I think Esato's momentum slowed as the Xperia devices went to Android because we no longer needed to come here to discuss the proprietary UI and hardware progression with like minded individuals because the Android user experience is so generic. Combine this with us all getting older and spending less time on forums, and the younger mobile users entering the mobile world via social networking apps and not websites.

Esato needs to transform into an app to survive and it needs to better integrate pics and video into its format. That's where 2018 currently is. A successful Esato app could revive Sony's mobile market and vice versa.

RIP Masseur.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2018-12-07 09:52 ]



Posted by carkitter

On 2018-09-07 21:29:53, bahraini wrote:
...I REALLY hope things change for better, I myself won't mind to give some of my time working in the site...

...but lets start changing things for better for Esato.

I've updated the Visiting NZ thread in my signature. Hopefully people find it via google

Posted by bahraini
well

Yes things changed , and things should change in Esato too.

Sony and Nokia are weak , but still not dead yet. when they die , still we can discuss other brands or technology.

Most of us came here cuz of SE, but as it's gone doesn't mean Esato shall go too.

For example , why the news section is not updates for about 3 years if not more?
if no one can do it , make it public and am sure many ppl will write and review .



Posted by bahraini

On 2018-12-07 10:50:39, carkitter wrote:

On 2018-09-07 21:29:53, bahraini wrote:
...I REALLY hope things change for better, I myself won't mind to give some of my time working in the site...

...but lets start changing things for better for Esato.

I've updated the Visiting NZ thread in my signature. Hopefully people find it via google



whats the point my friend if they find it ?
no support like other places
no news
no reviews
and many other nos



Posted by Tsepz_GP
I doubt anyone is looking after the Forum these days, it seems to be on Autopilot.

Around this time of the year the Esato logo would have some snow or something around it to represent Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, but nothing has changed now.

I'm sure Laffen has moved on with his life due to family duties etc... I don't blame him, priorities change as you grow and they may have change for him to.

I think we should prepare for the forum one day simply go down, much like Mobile-Review's English forum side did some years ago.


Posted by carkitter

On 2018-12-08 22:09:39, bahraini wrote:
well

Yes things changed , and things should change in Esato too.

Sony and Nokia are weak , but still not dead yet. when they die , still we can discuss other brands or technology.

Most of us came here cuz of SE, but as it's gone doesn't mean Esato shall go too.

For example , why the news section is not updates for about 3 years if not more?
if no one can do it , make it public and am sure many ppl will write and review .


It's funny, Esato changed a lot in its heyday. Playtime came and went, the camera competition was created, the review forum grew and grew and stickys were added constantly. Regional thread blossomed and the Esato awards grew to acknowledge the contributions of regular contributors. Esato was all about change, it reflected the mobile market which was the fastest changing industry on earth.

Trouble is, now the mobile industry is static and generic. There are only two operating systems, two charging systems, two app stores, there is only one form factor (the touchscreen tablet), one network technology (4G via SIM card), the focus has switched from the EU and Japan to the whims of Californian elites, and that has completely decimated the online community dynamic of the Esato forum. Instead of being multicultural - owners of Nokia, SE, Ericsson, Windows Mobile, Motorola, Alcatel, Philips, Siemens and Samsung devices coming together to meet and compare notes, online forums now reflect the adversarial nature of the mobile industry - iOS v Android, Samsung v Apple, walled garden v open source, and this has spilled out into discussion in the world at large. Witness the flame wars that instantly spring up in the comments on YouTube.

We all came here to find apps, themes, reviews, specifications and answers to questions but we stayed for the sense of belonging to the and Esato community. As usual, things grow as the they sense a need to improve, then the reach a peak of satisfaction where further change is resisted, after that a choice is required; change radically and evolve or carry on the same path all the way over the cliff edge. Esato is lying wrecked at the foot of the cliff, but it can be restored and set running again. It requires the community to come together around a central goal. Laffen and the moderators must define that.

The news section was managed superbly well by Axxxr. Unfortunately that came with strings attached where Laffen tolerated him posting his anti-American rhetoric. When he left, Masseur and Tranced stepped in to keep news going but neither was as in tune with the news cycle as Axxxr.

Just keep popping in daily and commenting/contributing and Esato will not die.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2018-12-10 18:29 ]


Posted by Aivar
Carkitter wrote: Trouble is, now the mobile industry is static and generic. There are only two operating systems, two charging systems, two app stores, there is only one form factor (the touchscreen tablet), one network technology (4G via SIM card).

- - -

I must emphasise that there are more than one network technology. Not only 4G, but also 3G and still GSM as 2G. GSM is still very much used in the world.

Also there are more than one form factor. Not only touchscreen tablet, but many people still use classic button phones. And those phones have different operating systems.

PS. My everyday mobile phone is SonyEricsson K610i. It is more than 11,5 years old and it is still going with no problems.

Posted by carkitter
By one network technology I meant that CDMA had died out. Now all phones use SIM cards.

The tablet form factor resists innovation in hardware design. The focus is on software features which are easily copied.

Posted by SilveR.
This feels real nostalgi
I was very active early days, seems it was yesterday..
Good is my login info still work..
From sony Ericsson to iPhone and android, sadly is no more Sony phones

Posted by Geezay
I feel a bit sad too. This was a second home for me. To think 16 years have passed since I joined... I am quite happy to help keep it running either as a columnist or updating sections, housekeeping...

Posted by DSF
I'm remembering that Esato was the reason I've bought a phone with internet (CSD, then later GPRS) in 2002, Ericsson R520m, my very first mobile phone.
I was fascinated by this mobile internet (very few WML sites avai back then, google, esato, mopilot being popular)..
Was rocking esato regularly in its glory times.
Was always impressed by esato features and laffen technicall skills (example: theme preview). A skilled developer for sure. But you need more than that to keep a project alive. You need a team, you cannot do it all alone. Plus you need to adapt (relaunch, etc)

Also I'm remembering masseur, won one of his game (he used to make games with prizes quite often).. was a very kind human being!

Esato will always take a place in my mind.
Hope the site will survive, at least for historical means!

Posted by McKinley
So there is a strong will among the old members to keep Esato updated and running. What really prevent the slacking admins to hand over the responsibilities to someone more dedicated?
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2019-01-19 02:18 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2019-01-18 21:30:58, McKinley wrote:
So there is a strong will among the old members to keep Esato updated and running. What really prevent the slacking admins to hand over the responsibilities to someone more dedicated?
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2019-01-19 02:18 ]



Doesn't Laffen hold the key to everything?

If I am not mistaken he does not look at this forum anymore, the Forum is currently in autopilot at this point and the admins aren't able to do much.

As I understand it Laffen was the overarching manager of the forum and controlled the hosting etc... Of the website.

Posted by *Jojo*
Helloooo here - again, People of the planet Earth. Back in the day, it was said that Laffen pays just to keep this site - running. Well, it's still operational to this day, April 7th 2021, but the owner NEVER visits on a regular basis anymore. Stay happy up there, my good old friend here, Masseur !

Posted by *Jojo*
Missing OLD friends here (foreign friends and NOT the locals !!) @tranquil, @goldenface, @amawanqa, @bobafett, @REO, Nice people from India, I just forgot their names, missUK. Take care people, I hope we can OUTLIVE this covid-19 virus, it's been 2 years now.

Posted by goldenface
*Jojo*

How are we dude? I just had my 2nd lockdown birthday, which was different. Hopefully no more.

Posted by *Jojo*
Helloooo - goldenface. I'm doing OK here at my end, and yes, am about to celebrate my 2nd LOCKDOWN (21st) Birthday next month. I hope all is well with you dude. Cheers

Posted by tranced
When I got sick last year I "premiered" the lockdown in my country

Posted by *Jojo*


Posted by Hobbs
Hey Jojo and Tranced. I haven't been around here for years. Good to see this site still up and running.Amazing to think I joined this site in I think it was 2006.Amazing chats.Amazing phones.Now everything is just bleh bleh but I've still got one foot in.

Posted by jcwhite_uk
I joined Esato over 17 years ago and for several years I was on here a lot (I am still in the top 20 for amount of posts). I havent been around here for a long time, I don't relly know why not. I has become rather stangnent. I remember when the latest posts on the front page was all posts from the past few hours, now it is posts over the past few weeks.

Posted by Hobbs
@jcwhite Yep, we were all in here everyday jumping between forums happily chatting away. Was loads of fun when we were all really into our phones. We've just all grown up suppose.

Posted by goldenface
I think the fact that there are basically just 2 or 3 OSs now made a huge difference. All the competition and bickering has gone, ha ha.

Posted by bahraini

On 2021-05-29 18:58:03, Hobbs wrote:
@jcwhite Yep, we were all in here everyday jumping between forums happily chatting away. Was loads of fun when we were all really into our phones. We've just all grown up suppose.



Well

ppl gew up everywhere
but the places ( website ) grow also
attract new ppl

The only thing keeps Esato alive is the forum

if you want new ppl , you need to update


Posted by carkitter

On 2021-05-28 08:29:28, jcwhite_uk wrote:
I joined Esato over 17 years ago and for several years I was on here a lot (I am still in the top 20 for amount of posts). I havent been around here for a long time, I don't relly know why not. I has become rather stangnent. I remember when the latest posts on the front page was all posts from the past few hours, now it is posts over the past few weeks.



It's to do with the rise and fall of and the rise and rise of online content due to faster internet.

While there was interest in other phones here it was mainly a Sony Ericsson site and Ericsson was a major part of the appeal. Todays phones don't have the same appeal in their style and user experience, it's all about what social media they can connect you to. Phones have become impersonal devices. The appeal is in the content not the skill of mastering the phone. The content can be found elsewhere.


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