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Google reportedly growing concerned over Samsung's Android dominance


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Posted by Tsepz_GP
According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, Samsung’s dominance on the market for Android devices has begun to make Google executives uneasy. The latter reportedly worry that the Korean manufacturer is large enough to renegotiate its current arrangement with Google and eat into the search giant’s lucrative mobile-ad business.

Samsung has received over 10% of the latter's revenue in the past. The company has also signaled to Google that it might demand more going forward, as Google's revenue from mobile apps such as Google Maps and YouTube is on the rise.

During a Google event for executives last year, Andy Rubin, the head of Android hailed Samsung’s market success and mutually beneficial relationship with the search giant. He did however, also warn that the Korean company could pose a business threat should it pull too far ahead of its competitors. Samsung shipped almost 200 million Android devices more than its closest competitor on its way to about 40% share of the global smartphone market.

According to Mr. Rubin, Google’s acquisition of Motorola Mobility is a form of insurance policy against manufacturers who gain too much power over the Android ecosystem. Motorola is widely expected to release an Android powerhouse this year, which will likely be dubbed the X Phone .

In a nutshell, the relationship between Google and Samsung is likely going to get more complicated in the near future. Representatives from both companies are yet to officially comment on the matter.


http://online.wsj.com/article[....]lMyQjAxMTAzMDIwNTEyNDUyWj.html

It's a damn shame, personally, I think Google should be encouraging the other OEMs to wake the hell up and also begin innovating and marketing like Samsung, this is the reason why Samsung are dominating, unlike some OEMs, Samsung don't just throw in cheap components and half baked SW and hope to sell a device off as a flagship.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-02-26 08:23 ]

[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2013-03-01 00:14 ]



Posted by etaab
Exactly.

But also at the same time if Samsung are driving growth of Android they should be rewarded for it and receive higher royalties from Google.

Google are just annoyed about their poor Motorola performance.

Posted by Away
The real worry is that Samsung will eventually pull away from Google, and with Tizen OS, that concern should be pretty real.

Posted by etaab
Good to see Samsung also win what.. 5 awards at the awards ceremony

See link

Good to see they get recognition for making the best devices and technology.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2013-02-26 21:19 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
Etaab

Completely agree, at this point Samsung are pretty much the only OEM who are truly driving growth in Android, while the rest are STILL after all these years, trying to find their feet, Samsung should be rewarded for bringing such an incredible amount of publicity and revenue to Android, sort of reminds me of Nokia with Symbian before they bought it.

Google shouldn't worry too much though, we have China on the rise with ZTE, Huawei, Oppo and some others, once they get used to the international market I expect to see them eat away at Samsungs share, whilest burying Sony, Htc and some of the other has-beens. If LG could just get their update policy right they, will also pose a threat to Samsung.

Away

At this point Tizen seems to be more like how Maemo was to Nokia, a sort of side project, I doubt they will replace Android with it, better chance of them replacing Android with Ubuntu mobile OS or Firefox OS. Samsung are playing this very well, they are surfing themselves from all risk, they are making sure that they are on almost every platform, so that if one falls they pick up on the other. I'm willing to bet they have GS4 prototypes running WP, Tizen and maybe Ubuntu to, if Android were to collapse tomorrow, we'd probably see a GS4 running another OS come the 14th of next month.

Posted by Bonovox
@etaab,the same way Nokia is promoting and really pushing MS Windows phone 8. Yet they had the cheek to use HTC as a signature device

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-02-26 22:45:10, Sean72 wrote:
@etaab,the same way Nokia is promoting and really pushing MS Windows phone 8. Yet they had the cheek to use HTC as a signature device



Was thinking EXACLTY the same just now

What these OS providers like Google and MS have to learn is that they can't control the consumers, there will ALWAYS be that one or two OEMs who will take up more market share and leave the others fighting for scraps, that is just how things work, even in the car industry, you have your BMWs, Merc, Toyotas and VWs taking up a huge chunk of the share and profits.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Andy Rubin doesn't seem too concerned though:

Andy Rubin says Samsung's success with Android has to do with execution, welcomes Firefox OS

Andy Rubin is considered the father of Android which makes his proclamations important because of his perspective. At a MWC 2013 roundtable, Rubin mentioned that the success that Samsung has had with its Android models is less about Android and more about execution. While more than one company is profiting from the OS, Rubin said that "There’s one big company that’s being hugely successful, that’s mostly about execution. It’s not mostly around Android."

Rubin says that if other manufacturers want to be as successful as Samsung, they will have to find their own way to do it. In other words, Samsung's competitors shouldn't count on Google to close the gap between Samsung and the other Android phone producers. Rubin also made a point of noting the investment Korean based Samsung has made in making its name a world power. Currently, the Samsung Galaxy S III and the Samsung GALAXY Note II are the two models that are driving Sammy's success in the Android space.

In addition, talking about the open source Firefox OS, Rubin said that it might be able to bring the internet to regions of the world where Android can't help. Because of certain hardware requirements that are needed to run Android, emerging markets might have to rely on another mobile OS to bring less expensive phones to certain regions. He added that getting those people to the web that might otherwise never get a chance at using it, can actually help Google.

Rubin also welcomed the opportunity to compete with another open system than with a closed one. "In general, I feel friendly toward them… open is good. Competition is good. We built Android because there was no open operating system," he said.


Great words by ol' Andy, he is totally right, Samsungs success is due to their excellent execution NOT because of Android itself, many Samsung haters will say its due to Android but anyone living in the real world, knows that Samsung were well on their way to success from the days of the I8510 Innov8 and i8910 Omnia HD.

Posted by Bonovox

On 2013-02-26 22:52:59, Tsepz_GP wrote:

On 2013-02-26 22:45:10, Sean72 wrote:
@etaab,the same way Nokia is promoting and really pushing MS Windows phone 8. Yet they had the cheek to use HTC as a signature device



Was thinking EXACLTY the same just now

What these OS providers like Google and MS have to learn is that they can't control the consumers, there will ALWAYS be that one or two OEMs who will take up more market share and leave the others fighting for scraps, that is just how things work, even in the car industry, you have your BMWs, Merc, Toyotas and VWs taking up a huge chunk of the share and profits.



Nokia is the only one with any value added apps whilst HTC etc have nothing. But anyway imagine if Google bought Samsung though I guess no that won't happen. Why is it since Google bought Motorola have we not seen many new phones from them??

Posted by etaab
I guess that would be because Google have no experience in manufacturing such devices. They're basically a search giant come advertising agency. They would have wanted Motorola to get some people, design and manufacturing expertise to launch their own devices and cut out the OEMs. Rather than rely on companies like Samsung to shift their OS.

Not to mention it was probably cheaper to buy Motorola and then inherit all of their patents. Rather than licence such patents for the next century. Sneaky.

I wouldnt be surprised if they slowly disolve Motorola and absorb all of their assets under the main Google brand.

Posted by worf1000

On 2013-02-26 22:18:23, etaab wrote:
Good to see Samsung also win what.. 5 awards at the awards ceremony

See link

Good to see they get recognition for making the best devices and technology.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2013-02-26 21:19 ]



The success of Samsung is not Google android, but the copy past from other tech manufacturers,. i just think Google slip that. Without the copy of they design of the iphone or ipad the where nothing than second hand phone devision.

Without the copy for the led or LCD technology they are secondhand TV manufacture.
Without Korean government support they are in bad trouble right now!!!!

Samsung is big for thanks by other ideas and technology they copied from, it's time that Samsung get slapped for real in their face. This has nothing to do with hate but honesty.

Honesty and fair business with their technology and not steal from others.
And honesty about finaciele facts of state aid which 10 years are already happening and nobody who tackles about it.

Success on someone else's design and engineering is not fair.

And the 5 awards at the awards ceremony is paid by Samsung it self to claim that, just pity.
[ This Message was edited by: worf1000 on 2013-02-27 20:27 ]


Posted by worf1000

On 2013-02-26 22:18:23, etaab wrote:
Good to see Samsung also win what.. 5 awards at the awards ceremony

See link

Good to see they get recognition for making the best devices and technology.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2013-02-26 21:19 ]



Explain, what do you mean with (best devices and technology) You claim this and that and yoy do not explain why is the best, just explain to us please, not just barking and yelling it is the best, it is so meaningless words spoken like a mantra.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
second hand phone devision.


^ WHAT on earth is this guy blabbering on about now!!??
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-02-27 21:25 ]


Posted by etaab
Irrelevant opinion.

Based on either poor mental health, drug use or just plain idiocy.

Stealing designs ? opinion and nothing more of a bitter sore loser who cant handle truth.


Posted by Away

On 2013-02-28 22:11:33, etaab wrote:
Irrelevant opinion.

Based on either poor mental health, drug use or just plain idiocy.

Stealing designs ? opinion and nothing more of a bitter sore loser who cant handle truth.




Well if it's an opinion which has cost Samsung at least $1 billion, then it's not such an irrelevant opinion.

Nice to see you stoop low enough to attempt to offend people.


On 2013-02-27 22:22:44, Tsepz_GP wrote:
second hand phone devision.


^ WHAT on earth is this guy blabbering on about now!!??
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-02-27 21:25 ]



Coming from the guy who claims Sony is a tier-2 manufacturer, I don't think you have much right to complain.
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2013-02-28 21:19 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-02-28 22:17:51, Away wrote:

On 2013-02-28 22:11:33, etaab wrote:
Irrelevant opinion.

Based on either poor mental health, drug use or just plain idiocy.

Stealing designs ? opinion and nothing more of a bitter sore loser who cant handle truth.




Well if it's an opinion which has cost Samsung at least $1 billion, then it's not such an irrelevant opinion.

Nice to see you stoop low enough to attempt to offend people.


On 2013-02-27 22:22:44, Tsepz_GP wrote:
second hand phone devision.


^ WHAT on earth is this guy blabbering on about now!!??



Coming from the guy who claims Sony is a tier-2 manufacturer, I don't think you have much right to complain.
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2013-02-28 21:19 ]



What cost Samsung $1billion was the infringement BUT the judge ruled that Samsung did not WILFULLY do it hence why Apple couldn't get more money out, so claiming Samsung blatantly copied is plain idiocy indeed, the funniest part though is despite all this Samsung's BEST SELLING smartphone, the GS3 which didnt infringe on anything but what ANDROID ITSELF did is the best selling Samsung, showing that its not due to "copying" thats made Samsung so successful, of course, desperate Samsung haters will always use the copy excuse, its just one of those things i guess just like clueless Apple fans will say Google copied Apple when they made Android, its a damn shame, but Market share shows who's making the best OS and whose making the best smartphones at the moment

Yes, Sony are a tier 2 OEM, the cheap components used in the Z like its display prove that, but WTF does 2nd hand phone devision mean???
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-02-28 22:02 ]


Posted by rikken
Let those sore losers have their Sony Assperia Zzzzzzzzzz

Posted by Bonovox
I can feel the love in the room

Posted by etaab

On 2013-02-28 22:17:51, Away wrote:

Well if it's an opinion which has cost Samsung at least $1 billion, then it's not such an irrelevant opinion.

Nice to see you stoop low enough to attempt to offend people.


In the US only though, Apple's own territory which is probably why they won the case. And as we speak, the same judge has now halved the amount.

BTW i dont attempt to offend anyone here on Esato, even abusive people like you. What i do is much more intelligent. I just wont participate or give your opinions any respect or value.

Im guessing you wont know what that means though.

Posted by mediar
I wonder how will these blind Sony as... I mean, fan boys react when the new SGS4 comes out in a few days and totally blows their crappy and ugly Z away... I guess they'll start once again groundlessly bashing Samsung and accusing them of stealing and coping random things in the remote past, trying to protect their mixed bag of cheap and crappy components, combined with a buggy UI, named Xperia Z and sold at premium price...

Posted by Away
This is why Rubin was removed. He was the one wanting to realise Samsung would one day become a competitor. With Tizen, that will happen. In their unveiling of the s4, android was mentioned once. The current leadership of Google is stupid for continuing to keep such close ties with Samsung.


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