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Nokia announces 808 PureView with an amazing 41 megapixel camera sensor


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Posted by laffen
The Nokia 808 PureView is running on Nokia Belle operating system and the smartphone is the successor to the famous Nokia N8 camera phone

Nokia 808 Pureview camera sensor

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Posted by satrun3000
41 megapixel sensor with 16 GB internal storage. Nokia what the hell are you thinking!!

Posted by rikken
Another ugly phone with a screen resolution from the stoneage

Posted by argiriano
We have to admit that this is just amazing piece of technology.

Posted by Bonovox
Yes 16 gig internal but does have SD card slot

Posted by admad
Well, the camera capabilities are just awesome. Truly this is the ultimate camera phone. Too bad it's not ultimate phone, with low resolution screen, OS with no apps for it, single-core processor which doesn't really cope with 1080p video recording. This would be an overkill with android, 720p screen, and dual-core. Now it's just a gadget for hardcore cameraphones maniacs.

Posted by mriley
41 mega-pixels? does anyone really need that much resolution?
Plus, wont the file size of photos be massive? My guess is that they'll compress them hugely, but that will surely affect photo quality.
Seems like a crazy phone imo

Posted by Bonovox
The file size is between 10 & 13mb

Posted by false_morel
The final 5MP will be at just 1Mb in size..
These sample pictures were not compressed.

And I simply can't get it why people just don't bother to read!!
Read what these 41MP are about before commenting. This new technology from Nokia really deserves out attention!

Posted by Bonovox
I did read & understand it I was just stating what the 41mp size was

Posted by false_morel
That wasn't addressed at you Bono!

But rather at mriley..


Posted by NightBlade
I was really at first impressed by Nokia's achievement.

And then I realised that most manufacturers could just double the image sensor diagonal (i.e. stacking 4 sensors next to each other) and double the phone's thickness. And call it innovation.

Then again I might be overly critical.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2012-02-28 20:10 ]


Posted by *Jojo*
Any actual pics of the said model? This will be nice. Really NO NEED to carry a digicam

Posted by NightBlade

On 2012-02-28 21:20:43, *Jojo* wrote:
Any actual pics of the said model? This will be nice. Really NO NEED to carry a digicam




Posted by *Jojo*
@Nightblade - thanks matey. Looks like the C7 model

Posted by tranced
All I can say is that Nokia was smart to combine the marketing and mp strategy. Some will fall for this.

Posted by mriley
Found a vid of the camera in action, lossless zoom is pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kAw14tA4uE


Posted by Bonovox
Nokia seems to know a good camera I must say.

Posted by mriley
Yeah, must be them 'carl zeiss' optics
Can't really see this as the successor to the N8 though, much more of a flagship phone. All other parts of the phone seem to be pretty average whereas the N8 was a good all rounder (thin, metal build, good display etc..)
This shows how thick it is >> http://youtu.be/9kAw14tA4uE

Posted by laffen
@jojo

Please take a look at the article explaining the entire 41/38/8 megapixel thing. Didn't I link to that in the first post? As always, it should be automatically inserted to the first post in the thread



Posted by NightBlade
That aperture sure is small for a 41MP sensor.

So basically this is their way of giving you a 8MP camera - by increasing the sensor size to get more light and at the same time cramming more MP into it to salvage any last drop of resolution they can get, for detail and PR purposes. And then scale it down.

And they give you the option to take a 38MP image if you don't mind the noise.

To be honest, it's the xenon flash that has my heart.

Posted by mriley

To be honest, it's the xenon flash that has my heart.



Twice the power of the N8 xenon flash
Still miss using proper flash on my old C901, the LED on SGS 2 isn't quite the same

Posted by Bonovox
Xenon flash never appears on Android phones cos they are all getting so thin. Only one I seen was a HTC with a Xenon Windows phone. But I think this will be good just wish they made another metal clad design. But Symbian Belle is a huge improvement and also having more ram and faster processor is a plus

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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-02-29 00:27 ]


Posted by *Jojo*

On 2012-02-29 00:57:48, laffen wrote:
@jojo

Please take a look at the article explaining the entire 41/38/8 megapixel thing. Didn't I link to that in the first post? As always, it should be automatically inserted to the first post in the thread




@Laffen - He he he , OK. Thanks

Posted by korbindallis
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On 2012-02-29 01:25:00, Bonovox wrote:
Xenon flash never appears on Android phones cos they are all getting so thin. Only one I seen was a HTC with a Xenon Windows phone. But I think this will be good just wish they made another metal clad design. But Symbian Belle is a huge improvement and also having more ram and faster processor is a plus

You didn't hear of the Motorola XT720 back in 2010 which had Xenon running on Android
[ This Message was edited by: korbindallis on 2012-02-29 01:14 ]


Posted by Bonovox
Ah I forgot that one


Posted by idumbakumar
640x360 on a 4 inch display?? are u joking?? come on nokia.. i hate this part..no matter whatever may be the display technology... we need higher resolution...

Posted by Ravager

On 2012-02-29 07:17:18, idumbakumar wrote:
640x360 on a 4 inch display?? are u joking?? come on nokia.. i hate this part..no matter whatever may be the display technology... we need higher resolution...


Right me if i'm wrong but i believe it's because of the operating system, Belle doesn't support resolutions over nHD. It should have had a design language closer to the N9 and WM operating system.

Posted by false_morel

On 2012-02-29 11:03:20, Ravager wrote:

On 2012-02-29 07:17:18, idumbakumar wrote:
640x360 on a 4 inch display?? are u joking?? come on nokia.. i hate this part..no matter whatever may be the display technology... we need higher resolution...


Right me if i'm wrong but i believe it's because of the operating system, Belle doesn't support resolutions over nHD. It should have had a design language closer to the N9 and WM operating system.



They can port Belle to newer ARM architectures and also higher the display resolution!
But this means every app on Nokia Store will have to be adjusted for this!

And since Symbian now is relegated to a second tier OS, and making its way out of the entire smartphone market in the years to come, going for such a step is just not worth it!
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2012-02-29 10:14 ]


Posted by false_morel
A nice interview with Dinning going through the camera UI at the end..


And here are the full highlights of the Nokia 808 with PureView technology: (make sure you read them all)

- The PureView technology has been developed for the past five years and in parallel with other technologies implemented in recent Nokia camraphones.
- Lossless Zoom: 3x for Stills, 4x for 1080p video, 6x for 720p video, 12x for nHD video.
- Dual modus sensor supporting both aspect ratios: 16:9 at 34 effective MP, and 4:3 at 38 effective MP.
- 26-76 mm zoom range, maintaining same aperture over all the range! This means 3.5 stops advantages enabling up to 6x faster shutter speeds!
- Contrast to optical zooming, distortion is kept at minimal level!
- Zooming is all silent as there are no optical elements moving back and forth. (Important in video capturing)
- The lens is produced at 10x more precision than SLR lenses to cope with the 41 MP sensor!
- The whole camera module is at 50% to 70% less in size compared to similar range zooms!
- Maintain same 15 cm minimal focus distance for the whole zoom range!
- The huge sensor enables a longer focal length of 8.02 mm (equivalent to 26mm and 28mm depending on the aspect ratio), which coupled with the wide F2.4 aperture enables Bokeh effects current compact cameras can't achieve!!!
In comparison, the high-end Canon G12, has a 6.1-30.5 mm equivalent to 28-140 mm, and at F2.8-4.5!!
- The 41 MP 1/1.2" sensor has a native pixel size of 1.4 microns.
- Offering Slide Zoom: Swipe up or down on the viewfinder to automatically adjust the zoom steps and the output resolution of the desired photo!
- Processing at 1000 MP/sec and 16x oversampling than conventional cameras and smartphones!! There is a built-in GPU in the camera module to help in the process!
- Nokia Rich Record: Capture sound at 140-145 db, more than even some professional cameras can achieve, and at minimal distortion levels enabling CD-like quality!!
- Oversampling eliminates Bayern pattern problems which could lead to certain artifacts! Which in turn leads to pure high-quality detailed 5MP photos!

This last statement could be the key that oversampling does indeed beat the bigger photosites approach to better quality!!
This will remain to be tested. Of course some experts will have their say on the issue soon enough. But if turns out to be true, then we can safely claim that Nokia have re-invented digital photography!!

Meanwhile, due to the bigger sensor alone, at 1x zoom and 7-to1 oversampling ratio, the Nokia 808 PureView should be able to outperform any compact digital camera in the market today in terms of IQ! In exception for the freshly announced Canon G1 X which in turn takes another different approach to conventional compact digital photography!


Posted by laffen

On 2012-02-29 11:18:25, false_morel wrote:
we can safely claim that Nokia have re-invented digital photography!!


Sorry, but the word re-invented is trademarked by Apple

Posted by Bonovox
Ooh a little sarcasm by Laffen

Posted by false_morel
I forgot one important highlight:

There are three camera modes:
- Fully Automatic mode. Point and shoot. For both stills and videos.
- Scenes mode. Same various scenes presets found on different smartphones and compact cameras.
- Creative mode:



On 2012-02-29 12:45:32, laffen wrote:
Sorry, but the word re-invented is trademarked by Apple


Oh NO!! What did I do to myself!!
They're are gonna suit me now and ban me from posting online and from talking as well!!

Posted by Bonovox
Wow some amazing camera features. They should try this in normal digital cameras

Posted by masada1971
all these high end camera features and no burst camera function...will ever Nokia put this in one of their phones?apparently not...

Posted by Bonovox
A good read about it here
http://www.gsmarena.com/d_din[....]rview_nokia_808-review-728.php

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Why do i get a feeling this may do better than the Lumia phones?
I know its niche, but with 41MP as a selling point this could improve Symbian sales, although im sure Elop will do all in his power to prevent it doing 'too well'.
The amount of sheer power and innovation in its camera is just incredible.

Posted by Bonovox
As I already said look at the popularity on GSM Arena already, 97% But with the already decent Symbian Belle,sorry Nokia Belle & more ram & 1.3 ghz with all that camera tech it will sell well me thinks!!
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-02-29 19:58 ]

[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2012-02-29 20:56 ]


Posted by etaab
Belle is very good, but its not really as smooth as Android once you've been using it a few weeks.

I think rather than the OS, the one issue which lets this phone down is its low screen resolution. 360 pixels wide is simply not enough by todays standards and has been a major bug of mine since i bought the Satio onwards.

I also think this camera will be a little geeky for joe public to really get into it, not to mention the large hump on the back of the device.

Posted by idumbakumar
i dont think it'll sell like hot cakes.. as the belle is not better in usability and nowhere near to android and ios.
i still dont like typing on belle keyboard. even there's no good third party keyboard.
being used to sonyericsson Camera UI, though the HW is good in nokia, the handling is bad. the poor N8 does not detect the macro shots automatically , u need to change it manually,and though u set the macro focus it always struggles to focus. and when u change focus or some other settings all the rest of the settings will be gone, so u again have to set all other settings before shooting... i really fed up in doing such things
and it will no longer remember the settings at all, everytime u start the camera u need to configure the settings. this is annoying.
and the poor 640x360 always show dull images without giving confirmation that the image is shot well with good focus. though it AMOLED.

Nokia has to offer some basic needs before going into the advance features no matter its 2mp or 41mp. dono how N808 will be .
keeping tasty food on the table with hands tied will be a non sense .
pure view being developed for five years.. i don't believe it.


Posted by titus1
Nokia should really consider putting these camera module in one of their future WP7 handsets.

Posted by Bonovox
Yes future Windows phones with this would be nice but just think the killing Nokia would make if this was on an Android phone?? As for the 640x360 I had no issue with it on the N8 seemed ok to me but larger the screen not so good. I too don't like the keyboard on the Belle either but the system is much better than years ago

Posted by tranced
Still thinking they will jump to Android? WP is their alternative OS now.

Posted by laffen
Updated the article with a YouTube video of Damian Dinning explaining the 808 camera features

Posted by tranced
Great. It will be a worth watching video I guess.

Posted by Bonovox
I know they won't go Android but if they did a camera like this on an Android phone Nokia would be selling like Samsung.

Posted by mriley
Is anyone going to buy a phone as thick as this though? Doubt it
IMO keeping phones thin whilst keeping high MP and decent EQ would be more practical.

Posted by titus1
I think thickness of a phone specifically around the cam part will never be a deal breaker if it produces awesomeness.

Posted by false_morel
The 808 is not meant to sell in dozen of millions!!

This device is just the bridge to introduce the new technology Nokia have been working on for the past five years!
And it's just the beginning.

This technology is eventually meant to live on Nokia's current mainstream smartphone line-up: Lumia.
It will be ported to Lumia at most by next MWC. They could manage it earlier for a Q4 release this year, along with Apollo. But I doubt it.

The big news here is PureView. Not the the Nokia 808.
And the big question right now is where PureView really sits and what impact could it have on the world of compact digital photography as a whole not just smartphones! And what's coming next.. How far could this get and in what form and functionality.

Meanwhile, we are all excited, as a start, to see how this 808 compare to current compact cameras!!
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2012-03-01 07:44 ]


Posted by false_morel
Here are some sample images of the 808:
Nokia 808 PureView Samples - a set on Flickr

Three shots at full 38MP resolutions with respective 100% crops..
And two shots using PureView at 5MP.. With a 100% crop of one of them.

Here are 100% crops of the first PureView image linked above, originally at 5MP:









Zero Noise levels! Perfect detail!!
This is truly a breakthrough!



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