Posted by Guarulhos
Ends Of Being Released A Video "Provocative" Nokia, In Inviting Living The Biggest and Best Experience In Photography And Video From Any Mobile World History !
And This Is Shown On Experience Next Day On February 27 Press Conference In The Finnish Giant WMC 2012 !
No Doubt Being Nokia Fan Or Not, For All Those Who Love Photography, The Official Announcement Of The Nokia 808 PureView Will Be a Major Milestone In The History of Cell Phones !
Once The Link Below Video On You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]Wdxmwc&feature=player_embedded
But You, Dear Friends Esato...
What Will They Think Nokia Until Then "Thoughtless", Ie a Mobile Handset Capable of Overcoming In Picture Quality And Video Until Then King Of Cameraphones Nokia NSeries N8 ???
Posted by Bonovox
Cannot wait!! But why is this in Europe section 
Posted by djin
Looks interesting!!
Posted by hihihans
41 megapixel
Packed in a 5 mp photo.
Symbian Belle
Posted by Guarulhos
You Sony Fans are a bad joke, keep talking and writing releases that nothing surprised the market, the same apparatus and some unattractive and neglect that revolutionizes the truth!
And the only truth is that revolutionizes the NOKIA, whether you like it or not, and no point in not reporting on anything here because the pureview here to stay and the beloved Sony humulhar of you and any other company!
41 megapixels of the highest photographic perfection is not for anyone but for those who can, and such daring only nokia has the courage and ability to perform technologically!
If the NSeries N8 already humiliated in terms of quality photographic Xperia S, which will PUREVIEW ???
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Posted by masada1971
xperia S the king of cameraphones,right???you re so funny here in esato...
Posted by Bonovox
On 2012-02-27 16:56:59, Guarulhos wrote:
You Sony Fans are a bad joke, keep talking and writing releases that nothing surprised the market, the same apparatus and some unattractive and neglect that revolutionizes the truth!
And the only truth is that revolutionizes the NOKIA, whether you like it or not, and no point in not reporting on anything here because the pureview here to stay and the beloved Sony humulhar of you and any other company!
41 megapixels of the highest photographic perfection is not for anyone but for those who can, and such daring only nokia has the courage and ability to perform technologically!
If the NSeries N8 already humiliated in terms of quality photographic Xperia S, which will PUREVIEW ???
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
You really do drone on a bit don't you??
Posted by norbi_nw
Ok this thread looks clean ATM, but other forums already have so much bullshit that it already hurts!
First of all you CAN'T compare phone cameras to DSLRs. Megapixel count for me means nothing. I'm going for features and picture quality.
You will NEVER EVER NEVER get a DSLR quality pic from a phone. You will never have great bokeh (blur) with camera phones (or focus control, or other things to express your creativity).
All you get here is more megapixels that possibly create a clearer picture (more detail). But the question is how many times have you opened a picture to its full size?.. And for normal prints and viewing on PC my 8mpx SGS2 is perfect.
But it's nice to have a huge sensor for the lossless zoom. Now THAT I envy. Other than that I wouldn't buy this phone.
1. I don't like the design, 2. low screen res for such a "huge sensor" 3. Symbian belle :/
And OFC let's not forget that this will not be cheap!
"Photographic perfection"... I always lol when I read big words like these. XD
People who don't think may even say: Now with this phone out, Canon and Nikon can close down their factories and go bankrupt. ...
Posted by Bonovox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRLyAB8q_U&feature=related
I like it & I would buy it for the camera. Symbian Belle is decent too nothing wrong with it. The design is bland looks like an old Nokia N series but I am sure it will produce great images. We have already seen some. The man in that video says 10mb files
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-02-27 20:13 ]
Posted by etaab
Thats madness. Great for cameraphone geeks like me, but as an OS Symbian is done now that Nokia have abandoned it.
They should have put this camera into a Windows Phone.
Posted by daviep
thats one ugly phone
Posted by norbi_nw
Yeah +1 for this on windows phone. A design like the N9 is more appealing to me. This is ugly and reminds me of the xpress music :/
No offense but nokia always sucked at design.
I had 1 UIQ phone, and 1 Symbian (G900 and Satio). Both where horrible phones when it came down to the OS. The A200 and whatever Sony E used back then was way better. Now that I switched to android 1 year ago, I absolutely adore it. It has everything I need.
Android is up there with iOS (or whatever apple is running). Call it belle or lucy or whatever, it's still symbian, and it's ugly and outdated. + limited useful apps :/
Jelly of the sensor but the rest is sh!t IMO. Sample images from GSMarena are good, but I am waiting for real 8mpx samples, the resolution where it would suppose to "shine".
MFW I don't buy a phone for it's camera, I buy it because I like the design and OS.
Posted by NightBlade
I despise Symbian with a passion, so any glimmer of consideration that I had about getting this phone vanished when I found out what OS it's running,
Please let it die.
Posted by goldenface
Indeed. I don't think I'll consider Symbian again, not unless they do something radical with it, but the camera and the technology behind it looks very promising.
Posted by Guarulhos
It's very interesting to see the behavior of Sony fans this stupid forum !
Cause I'm so fan of nokia assumed, however I'm also a fan of Sony, otherwise never participate in this forum since here only circulate news of Sony products and services, but regardless of being a fan of the brand, b or c I analyze your potential as a whole, which is unable to see that most members of this forum have the same perception !
If the 808 PureView was a phone from Sony would be the 8th wonder of the modern world, but as it is a phone Noka, you hunt and hunt through some defect, critical design, operating system and etc !
But the reality is only one so far the only company that has innovated real WMC in 2012, it was the Nokia phones Sony revolcuionaram at all surprised or simply had more of it, simple as that!
Now you Sony Fans donkeys on duty there is only drool with envy and with the technical specifications of the New King of Camerafones !!!
Posted by Guarulhos
Nokia 808 PureView Technichal Specifications For Digital Camera:
■ Carl Zeiss Optics Vario Tessar ( 5 elements And 1 Group All Lens Surfaces Are Aspherical - One High Index - Low Dispersion Glass Mould Lens With Neutral Density Filter)
• Mechanical Shutter
■ Focal Length: 8.02 mm (Focal Length: 26mm 16:9 | 28mm 4:3)
■ F-Number: f/2.4 F-número: f/2.4
■ Focus Range: 15cm – Infinity
■ Optical format: 1/1.2” Formato óptico: 1/1.2 "
■ Total number of pixels: 7728 x 5368 Número total de pixels: 7728 x 5368
■ Pixel Size: 1.4um
Now I ask Sony Fans...
Really Sony innovates in the item picture ?
Xperia S is actually camerafone year ?
For the love of god stop being stupid and bigoted and adhere to the reality of events in the world of make believe Xperia S has the best digital camera and camcorder !
In the real world he is humiliated in terms of quality photographic and video by the "old king" Nokia NSeries N8, perhaps compared to 808 PureView ... He simply does not exist !
Finally see the chart on the size of image sensors integrated into mobile phones and digital cameras and see which is the level Pureview!
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Die of envy such as Sony technology, Apple, Samsung, would never have courage, courage, and especially the ability to launch!
So Simple !!!
Posted by Bonovox
If it's such a stupid forum then go elsewhere
you cannot force someone to like something just cos you do
Posted by goldenface
Now now, lets be nice to each other. He can't help it
(joke!)
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2012-02-28 00:42 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Nokia cannot survive on making just great cameras. As far as I read this will be the last Symbian device. Also this forum now is for all manufacturers and it had been for a long time. You will just find more Sony fans here than any other. Lets keep it clean. In Barcelona Nokia had not really innovated they have released a couple of new cheap low ram Windows phones, a cheap Asha handset and the Pureview. I don't see that as massive innovation except for the camera. And I don't understand your posts when you keep referring to HE. Who is he?? Guarulhos
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Material things don't matter,but Rock n Roll does!!!!
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-02-28 00:44 ]
Posted by goldenface
I read a survey a few months ago which made out that for most people the OS choice is growing in importance, with the choice of manufacturer becoming less so.
These days it's a battle of ecosystems, rather than a good, old-fashioned Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson online knock-down drag out fight.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes. Symbian Belle is a massive improvement but it's never still going to compete with the rest.
Posted by 9_Destiny
I regret I didn't tell you about this 42 Mpix earlier. I knew that at the end of the January from Nokia worker.
Anyway I saw couple of videos in you tube and I've nothiced some interesting informations.
ISO from Pure View 808 is between 50 - 2600 value. That's really nice. Especially 50 ISO. I hope that user will be able to chose ISO values by himself (N9) instead only from low,normall and high (N8)
I also saw Bracketing and Interval mode! And that's the hottest news form me from whle the camera specification cos I already got couple of ideas how to use that modes to create an unusual pics.
Posted by false_morel
That's no doubt another big innovation from Nokia and a milestone in the world of photography!
The compact cameras segment that is.
Nokia just found a way to deliver 3x lossless zoom in stills, and 4x lossless zoom in HD video without having to resort to optics and zoom lenses!
Not only that, zoomed out at 5MP, with their oversampling technique they found a way to up the IQ at all ends with a significant margin compared to even current high-end compacts! Current smartphones are simply smoked out of the equation by this!
And some are maybe missing the ability of the Nokia 808 to capture and output stereo sound in almost CD quality! No consumer device can do this in the whole world right now I believe!!
I could go into full details, but I'll leave with this white paper written by by Juha Alakarhu, Damian Dinning, and Eero Salmelin "on behalf of many dedicated Nokia imaging experts": PureView Imaging Technology
10 small slides, a quick read. Anyone who's interested in photography, cameraphones, and wanna comment on Nokia's PureView technology, should read this first. (Yes, I'm talking to you norbi_nw
)
Focus on the section in slide 6: Quality, not Quantity. And the sections following it directly!!
To me, if Nokia aren't porting this technology to Lumias in few months, then I'll have to get this one and use it simply as my compact camera and secondary phone.
I'll leave you with three quotes from that white paper:
"People will inevitably home in on the number of pixels the Nokia 808 PureView packs, but they’re missing the point. The ‘big deal’ is how they’re used."
"While others jump in, banking on pixel numbers instead of performance, we prefer to skip early iterations." (happened with the N86 and N8!)
"With PureView we’re continuing to make choices focused on performance rather than pixels for pixels’ sake. Fewer but better pixels can provide not just better image and video quality, but better overall user experience
and system capability."
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2012-02-28 04:04 ]
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2012-02-28 01:31:00, Bonovox wrote:
If it's such a stupid forum then go elsewhere
you cannot force someone to like something just cos you do
Don't feed the trolls; especially at night. If you do past midnight they become Gremlins lol.
All joking aside this camera is incredible innovation! However since its Ina phone it greatness is heavily marred by the is chosen and design. Phone is used first amongst 80% of phone/smartphone users across the world; cameras are next.
Posted by titus1
There was a time when I was crazy about camera on a phone (C905, C901, N95 8G, N86, N8, Pixon12). For me then, it was the be-all and end-all when getting a phone.
But not anymore...
Now, it's about the OS and how they work and works for me. The ecosystem, applications, group of people (devs) that supports my device. Yup, things have change.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2012-02-28 01:15:26, Guarulhos wrote:
Nokia 808 PureView Technichal Specifications For Digital Camera:
■ Carl Zeiss Optics Vario Tessar ( 5 elements And 1 Group All Lens Surfaces Are Aspherical - One High Index - Low Dispersion Glass Mould Lens With Neutral Density Filter)
• Mechanical Shutter
■ Focal Length: 8.02 mm (Focal Length: 26mm 16:9 | 28mm 4:3)
■ F-Number: f/2.4 F-número: f/2.4
■ Focus Range: 15cm – Infinity
■ Optical format: 1/1.2” Formato óptico: 1/1.2 "
■ Total number of pixels: 7728 x 5368 Número total de pixels: 7728 x 5368
■ Pixel Size: 1.4um
Now I ask Sony Fans...
Really Sony innovates in the item picture ?
Xperia S is actually camerafone year ?
For the love of god stop being stupid and bigoted and adhere to the reality of events in the world of make believe Xperia S has the best digital camera and camcorder !
In the real world he is humiliated in terms of quality photographic and video by the "old king" Nokia NSeries N8, perhaps compared to 808 PureView ... He simply does not exist !
Finally see the chart on the size of image sensors integrated into mobile phones and digital cameras and see which is the level Pureview!
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Die of envy such as Sony technology, Apple, Samsung, would never have courage, courage, and especially the ability to launch!
So Simple !!!
Huh? who is 'He'?
Anyway, nobody has denied that the 808 PureView brings a great camera, it truely is innovative, we know.
Unfortunetly in this day and age the Camera isnt the only part most look at when getting a smartphone, the:
OS
Ease of use
Applications/Games
Support
Hardware (CPU, GPU, RAM, Display, Battery, build materials used etc...)
Are amongst the things many look at and the 808PureView falls short in most of those.
Doubt anyone will die of envy over the 808, nice phone though but id rather get a One X or Xperia S, they seem more up to date in many other ways, for me and many others the 808 would be a downgrade from our current phones.
Glad to see Nokia building great cameras again though, good on them.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2012-02-28 11:14 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Interestingly on GSM Arena only yesterday the popularity of this device was already at 94%. I think Nokia are the only manufacturer working closely with real photography manufacturers.
Posted by Vincent5
Hi friends, Nokia is going to rock the world in mobile phone photography because there are lots of mobile phone are available in the market which has high pixel density. So nokia has taken a big step in mobile phone photography to beat their competitors. And nokia announced their 808 pureview phone with 41 MP camera which will really going to beat their customer. If you want to watch teaser and want to some more information so check this Video. Please post some unique information about this mobile phone because I am eagerly waiting for this mobile phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Vincent5 on 2012-02-28 20:48 ]
Posted by exaflare23
http://www.gsmarena.com/d_din[....]rview_nokia_808-review-728.php
interview with damian dinning on Nokia 808 pureview.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia[....]ew_device_at_mwc-news-3919.php
best new device at mwc 2012.
[ This Message was edited by: exaflare23 on 2012-03-01 13:28 ]
Posted by plankgatan
think this phone is absolute over-rated (yeh really)
41m.p camera.......sure, thats nice & cool.
BUT, the design ?? Symbian ??...........................no thanks.
if you want a really good camera........buy a real one. (its anyway ten times better then any cellphone)
Posted by exaflare23
@plank
i think its wrong to compare camera phones to real camera, but anyway can you received calls on real cameras? Playing hd games?
and oh many se fans are still keeping their camera phones even its a dumb phone (not smartphone
) then i dont see any problem with symbian btw its a smart phone its much better to keep a smart phone with a monster camera [ This Message was edited by: exaflare23 on 2012-03-05 12:04 ]
Posted by plankgatan
still over-rated.
for £500 i get much better cell-phone (not camera-wise, but everything else)
(you get a brand new iphone 4S for this money, which is way way better phone)
the million dollar questions is anyway..................why didnt Nokia used the Windows OS (as in the Lumia models) ?????
i hope Nokia really have a Hugh "App-store" for this type of new symbian OS. (otherwise former Android-users will go back instantly)
.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2012-03-05 16:28 ]
Posted by plankgatan
think this 808 pictures looks good, (a bit dark though....why i dont know)
.......but the thing is that c905, Arc S or which ever good cam phone manage this type of colour quality and sharpness................thought it would be way way greater.
808
808
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2012-03-06 17:34 ]
Posted by exaflare23
@plank
i think the proper judging of images is either by cropping or zooming 100% thats why esato forum include that feature when you upload your images, i doubt if c905 and xperia s or any sony mobile to date that can produce same quality as 808 or n8.
Posted by plankgatan
mate......i know details will be awesome.............BUT, if the colour quality & sharpness isnt better then this why should you pay £500 for this bulky thing ???
(i thought pictures would looks soooooooooooo great, super sharp, etc, (but they didnt)
maybe this beta firmware gives them over dark......we have to wait and see.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2012-03-07 08:25 ]
Posted by exaflare23
On 2012-03-07 09:23:34, plankgatan wrote:
mate......i know details will be awesome.............BUT, if the colour quality & sharpness isnt better then this why should you pay £500 for this bulky thing ???
(i thought pictures would looks soooooooooooo great, super sharp, etc, (but they didnt)
maybe this beta firmware gives them over dark......we have to wait and see.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2012-03-07 08:25 ]
hhmm.. I think you have to compare it first before saying something or make a conclusion that other brands can produce much better colours right? it looks dark but what about other cameraphones in that same scene huh?
I dont have doubt on the newer 808pureview interms of colour reproduction its better than the old n8, and that old n8 produces the most narural and accurate colours that beats samsung pixon12 and a sony dedicated compact camera with exmor r sensor and until now even the sony xperia s with an exmor r cant match it interms of image quality
I can support my statement with a conparison image if someone wants to.
Posted by plankgatan
it has been soooooo many phones that has been promoted as the "the best" cam-phone of the year.............
and then after people bought it and used it for some months (reviews, etc) they realise that its good, but not "the best" cam-phone of the year.
sometimes new technology takes some years to develop so it works top-notch.
Posted by exaflare23
@plank
I suggest you try to read the science behind 808 pureview's camera on page 2 so you can fully understand its imaging capabilities, its something new that you wont find in any other brands especially youre favorite one
Posted by Bonovox
Plank you love your over saturated colours but it's not natural to real life what the eye sees. As for bulky so is the c905
Posted by norbi_nw
Like I said, the camera and sensor (and all the other camera components, lenses, NDF, etc.) are impressive. I bet other manufacturers will pick up soon. But the OS kills everything. And that design...
the N9 looks way better. And so far I am satisfied with my S2 pic quality. And I have a DSLR, so I don't buy phones just because they have great cameras.
Symbian sucks!!! You can't deny that, it's already dead (it will recieve updates but that's about it). It died because it had no future.
Brand loyalty is a thing of the past for me. Now I buy what I consider good/best for me.
And yes it won the best gizmo award because of the revolutionary camera and not because it's some kind of a super good phone.
Posted by vlotnet
On 2012-02-28 00:13:21, NightBlade wrote:
I despise Symbian with a passion, so any glimmer of consideration that I had about getting this phone vanished when I found out what OS it's running,
Please let it die.
Symbian is far better than Windows Phone in its current form. Windows Phone doesn't even have USB Mass Storage mode. It doesn't have hot-swappable MicroSD. It doesn't have bluetooth file transfers (Android doesn't have this either, not natively without additional apps anyway. Even dumbphones have this). It has like 1 screenshot app that needs a developer unlocked phone. It has no decent call-recording apps. It only recently got tethering support. It cannot support external bluetooth GPS receivers. It insists on storing all your data on Microsoft's servers, so you can be profiled more easily. It's so much worse than Symbian I don't know where to start.
Though for some people Windows Phone is worthwhile, easy to use and requires minimum hardware specs to avoid low memory disappointment. I just don't see how I can miss out on all the good stuff for a very controlling cloud-centric smartphone.
Posted by vlotnet
On 2012-03-16 12:09:01, norbi_nw wrote:
But the OS kills everything. And that design...
the N9 looks way better.
To me, the N9 looks like an ugly uncomfortable block with harsh edges (and no removable battery). This looks far more comfortable to hold and use (and the hump is necessary apparently).
Symbian sucks!!! You can't deny that, it's already dead (it will recieve updates but that's about it). It died because it had no future.
It's dead because Nokia took too long to address usability and development ease concerns, made quality control an afterthought and lost a lot of market share, and now has Microsoft paying its bills in a 5-year agreement to support Windows Phone. Management sucked, quality control dropped, a replacement took too long to come out, iPhone gained traction, Android gained traction, Symbian Signed was intro'd years ago and sucked (and segmented the OS further), MeeGo and other cool developments took their time and then were dropped with the MS deal, improvements to Symbian that should have been made years ago were never made or made too slowly to keep up with the times, etc.
iOS and Android will see many of the same problems years from now, if they aren't already. A lot will be done to make things 'compatible' before doing stupid things and having some competition eat your lunch. Anyway, with that deal with Microsoft, they essentially have their hands tied now. Too bad for them.
Brand loyalty is a thing of the past for me. Now I buy what I consider good/best for me.
Nokia has certainly made plenty of phones that have disappointed their enthusiasts to make their previous brand loyalty worthless. N97 among many others selling now and that sold in the past. Bugs that are never fixed, shoddy firmware, etc.
And yes it won the best gizmo award because of the revolutionary camera and not because it's some kind of a super good phone.
Awards are just another way for the industry to promote their own products, just like the Grammys. Of course none of this should mean anything to anyone with a thinking mind and definitely does not mean it's the best phone for your uses.
[ This Message was edited by: vlotnet on 2012-03-17 23:46 ]
Posted by vlotnet
On 2012-03-06 18:31:55, plankgatan wrote:
think this 808 pictures looks good, (a bit dark though....why i dont know)
It's obvious these photos have been processed. Looks like some sort of ND filter has been used and the saturation and contrast seems to have been bumped up a bit.
Doesn't impress me in the slightest.
Posted by mlife
On 2012-03-18 00:48:11, vlotnet wrote:
On 2012-03-06 18:31:55, plankgatan wrote:
think this 808 pictures looks good, (a bit dark though....why i dont know)
It's obvious these photos have been processed. Looks like some sort of ND filter has been used and the saturation and contrast seems to have been bumped up a bit.
Doesn't impress me in the slightest.
Not sure about the sat/cont being bumped but an ND filter could give that appearence.... not to mentiong that the N8 has on built in so why do you make is sound like its a bad thing.... I think the pictures are great.... I told myself *due to belle* that I would not buy another Nokia but I may just have to eat some crow on that after seeing some of the sample photos being put out..... just my .02
Posted by vlotnet
On 2012-03-18 07:32:37, mlife wrote:
Not sure about the sat/cont being bumped but an ND filter could give that appearence.... not to mentiong that the N8 has on built in so why do you make is sound like its a bad thing....
The pics themselves have some nice scenery, which always impresses people.
However, the colours are too saturated to me for 'pop' appeal, and it looks unnatural (as does the darkening of the sky). Plus many photos can be made to look impressive when downsized to web sizes, even from the most budget cameras in full daylight like it's seen here, so it really doesn't indicate anything special to me.
As usual, we'll really find out how it performs after enough people have bought it; I don't expect much more than Nokia PR from reviewers who get their review units free from the manufacturer themselves.
Posted by plankgatan
well....even Sassho recognise 808 photos are to dark.............so im not the only one
Posted by plankgatan
the 808-photo who absolute impress me most is this one........(incredible details & white-balance......no darkness at all)
you have to see it in full size to really see how sick it is;
http://press.nokia.com/wp-con[....]ed-with-nokia-808-pureview.jpg
(zoom in the high-power air-cable......really nice)
the original photo was to big to upload on ImageShack
(7728 × 4354pixels) had to scaled it down a bit.
man.........if the camera performs like this overall.........im gonna buy it.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2012-03-26 22:45 ]