Posted by zide
That's another dumb example as the other before... If we want exactness, we must compare photos in the exactly same conditions. And the point here is exactness right?
Posted by jake20
@Sassho,
I cant see the pics because I am at work, and they are blocked, but I really do not even need to.
You can't just pull 2 random images from each phone to try and compare.. this is ridiculous.
You cannot be serious.
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-19 22:49:39, zide wrote:
That's another dumb example as the other before... If we want exactness, we must compare photos in the exactly same conditions. And the point here is exactness right?
@zide
exactly my friend
and that is what was done in the GSM Arena blind test. all the cameras had to deal with the same conditions.
saying that it wasn't fair because Pixon12 cant handle cloudy weather is the biggest fanboy excuse i have ever heard.
that is like one team saying its not fair they lost the game because it was really hot outside, and they don't like the heat.
totally rediculous..
@sassho
I am done debating with you.. my only conclusion is that you have to be either Nokia hater or Samsung fanboy
At least Vit backs up his claims with real photography knowledge, not just ignorant comments..
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-19 22:08 ]
Posted by Sassho
I'm cannot serious? Serious for phone cameras ? You joke man
But Pixon have more detail and no blur 
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-19 22:32 ]
Posted by zide
Chill out dudes. Everyone has their preferences... That's a normal thing. In fact I like Pixon's12 camera, but sometimes it is kinda exaggerated: too much sharpness and contrast. It's a fine camera and with low noise levels though.
[ This Message was edited by: zide on 2010-10-19 22:46 ]
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-19 23:05:00, Sassho wrote:
I'm cannot serious? Serious for phone cameras ? You joke man
But Pixon have more detail and no blur
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-19 22:32 ]
Please trust me when I say this is meant in the MOST respectful way possible.... but if you really believe that then simply don't buy an N8.... otherwise it just seems like you are on some other agenda to bash nokia... I (in all fairness) don't own EITHER phone but when I get my N8 Im sure it'll be even better than my N86 and don't really care how others view it.....
Just ask Jake20... on the AT&T forum I started to do a whole comparison between my N86 and C905a till I realized I was in some cases (even with both phones taking very similar pictures) maybe favoring the N86 as I knew how to maximize its image quality pretty easily... when the truth is they are both GREAT camera-phones.... Same here, if you like the Pixon then buy it.... but if you like nokia, then buy it.....
I'll go one step further to say that even with a pixon or N8, Im willing to bet some users of this forum would be able to produce better images with their elm, c901 or C905 then some "joe shmo" off the street could do with either of the aforementioned devices.
I for one however tend not to believe any reviews I read online.... good or bad.
Cheers.
Posted by Sassho
For a normal user camera is not very important , imoprtant all functional to phone. Many peoples will find such thing in N8 - OS, Camera, Video records , GPS . N8 is good alternative on Satio - better camera , video and music quality.
But for users who want's camera quality Pixon12 is better solution. Pixon is BEST in MACRO , Portrait , Landscapes - samples in all mode Here Also playing with high quality sound.
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[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-19 23:32 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-20 00:19:51, Sassho wrote:
For a normal user camera is not very important , imoprtant all functional to phone. Many peoples will find such thing in N8 - OS, Camera, Video records , GPS . N8 is good alternative on Satio - better camera , video and music quality.
But for users who want's camera quality Pixon12 is better solution. Pixon is BEST in MACRO , Portrait , Landscapes - samples in all mode Here Also playing with high quality sound.
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[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-19 23:32 ]
dude, you are cooked!
you already said that Pixon does not do well on cloudy day, didn't you? now Pixon is best in all modes?
and what about Pixon blueish tint on all its pics?
you are making me laugh very hard man..
and what about video quality? I see you just are ignoring this aspect, as Pixon12 only 480P and tons of pixelation.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-20 02:09 ]
Posted by Luhccas-U1a
Things are getting funny here,huh?
Posted by Sassho
jake20 easy man
You're not photographer and not understand what is important in cameraphone. Maybe low level of noise , maybe night shots , maybe big sensor? No man - most important is color reproduction, sharp wide angle optics , good quality of JPEG and close MACRO.
You think Pixon shot bad in the cloudy mist day? Take this man
All links full ofcourse
And take this
And this
And this
And now who is the BEST............you?
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-20 08:09 ]
Posted by jj03
No. I am...lol. Moving along..please keep your handbags on the floor.
Posted by TTT
This is the case camerawise.
The Pixon 12 makes much better macro shots, since it's sharper than the N8. That's also the bad thing.
I can see noise in the blue sky on Pixon 12 photos even in 800xwhatever resolution. That's a big problem.
If someone could I'd like to see Pixon 12 vs. Nokia N8 photos with the new camdriver available for downloading.
The news for the N8 is 30fps and autofocus in HD video and a lot more detail in photos, though they can be up to 12 mb each.
Sassho just face it.
Pixon makes the best macroshots in good weather and a good detail in landscapes but there's too much noise.
Posted by jake20
@Sassho
you are amateur man..
I can show your 3 stunning shots with my C905 as well, doesn't prove a thing
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-20 14:32:34, jake20 wrote:
@Sassho
you are amateur man..
I can show your 3 stunning shots with my C905 as well, doesn't prove a thing
Jake, we´d be better leaving him talking to himself... This is a pointless discussion. It´s impossible to argue with someone like him.
Just ask him to post a Pixon12 indoor shot @ his own house with its ISO setting @ ISO-400.
The Pixon12 does have great optics when it comes to overall frame sharpness, and it is also one of the greatest camphones for daylight shots, but that´s it.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-20 15:00 ]
Posted by Sassho
jake20 - I'm а amateur? Yes we are all amateurs
ОК - give "stunning" shots by C905
Vit - I know how shoot , belive ме - ISO400 is unusable in cameraphones.
TTT- Pixon12 camera no noisy , this's nobile grain - same as film
Peoples are die for it.[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-20 18:03 ]
Posted by jake20
@Sassho
yes,you are correct, i am amateur also, but unlike you i am not acting like I am photography expert.
ISO 400 is unusable on the Pixon because sensor is too small.
ISO 400 on the N8 is almost noise free beautiful, even ISO 800 on N8 looks great.. due to its larger sensor. this is why Pixon can not compete with N8 in low light.
In good lighting yes Pixon12 is very good camera, can compete with any digicam even, but for low light & harsh conditions, it just cant compare to N8.. sorry mate.
check out C905 thread for yourself.. many pictures there equal to Pixon12
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=171773&start=1545
Just a few of many great C905 shots.. perfectly accurate colors, unlike Pixon
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-20 18:28 ]
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-20 18:59:27, Sassho wrote:
Pixon12 camera no noisy , this's nobile grain - same as film
Peoples are die for it.
Sorry Sasssho but you have gone a bit too far in comparing ANY camera phone with film... You can't match film grain with ANY digital camera... some come close (Cannon 5D, Nikon D3 series and some others) but NO MATCH... And Im not talking LACK of grain...but REAL GRAIN which only comes as a result of emulsion, a good uniform tight knit pleasing looking grain like ONLY film can produce.
Shot with Nikon F3hp and scanned with Noritsu Koki
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2010-10-20 18:47 ]
Posted by Sassho
Fellas, please post fullsize images like me
What you want I see? C905 have great colors , big noise reduction and low detail. The BEST camerophone from SE is Satio / C901.
Many shots by Pixon12
Posted by rippi
After all this "Pixon ist the best and greatest of all time"-blabla i hope this thread come back to its topic "Satio vs. N8"
Thanks to Etaab and Kimpa for there comparison shots! Can you post some more Satio and N8 shots in different conditions (maybe more Portraits, pictures of persons, LowLight and flash-shots)? That would be great.
...and some people says that N8 is too neural. But N8 allows different settings in camera menu for sharpness and saturations. Can someone some comparison-shots from the N8 with auto settings and some shots with increased sharpness and saturations?
Posted by TTT
Stunning shots mate but still there is that noise. It's even visable in 800x500 pixels and that's bad.
Example Pixon 12
The colours and the detail is superb but you can see the noise in the blue sky and that's bad.
Sorry to say it Sassho but I'd rather have the N8 with less noise and worse colours.
Posted by Sassho
No no gyu's this is not noise . I said this's most noble grain - as good film
Only BEST cameras have same natural grain 
Posted by prototype
Hi everyone.
Look at this photos made with c905:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii4YlD4np-k
[ This Message was edited by: prototype on 2010-10-20 21:24 ]
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-20 21:42:05, Sassho wrote:
No no gyu's this is not noise . I said this's most noble grain - as good film
Only BEST cameras have same natural grain
sorry... but I think your confused.... grain is in film... noise is for digital media.... Or let me guess... your actually smarter than you let on in your posts but you say these things to incite debate.... In either case by ignoring any future posts of yours maybe you'll just get tired and stop posting this rubbish... I can just hope others will stop replying to you too.
Posted by zide
I don't understand why you keep arguing his empty comments. This is not about how good is Pixon12 ;f
Posted by TTT
Maybe he's a politican.
Posted by Sassho
On 2010-10-20 22:44:33, mlife wrote:
sorry... but I think your confused.... grain is in film... noise is for digital media.... Or let me guess.........
Kids.....noise have everitng , even in DSLR cameras. Topic N8 vs.SATIO closed , N8 win. Now let's to see N8 / Pixon12 OK?
What are мain advantages/disadvantages N8 camera
Advantages
1.BEST biggest sensor 1/1.83"
2.Natural soft colors
3.28mm wide angle optics
4.Xenon flash
5.HD videorecord, BEST in 30 k/s
6.Low noise level
Disdvantages
1.Terrible worse optics(blur to right side or blurry spots everywhere)
2.Poor camera settings ( MACRO over 15cm, no trasking AF , no Text mode , no Smail detectoin and many more....)
3.Middle detail levels( strong noise reduction)
4.No Led flash for videorecord
5.Short battery life
Pixon12 camera
Advantages
1.BEST sharp razor 28mm wide angle optics
2.Two mechanical diafragms in camera - F3.6 F2.6
3.Close up MACRO - 8cm
4.Nice postprocessing colors,do not need editing
5.Great detail on images
6.Many camera settings
7.Xenon/Led flash
8.Phone design like camera - very comfortable
9.Long battery life
Disadvantages
1.Noble grain in sky
2.Middle videorecord quality
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 09:21 ]
Posted by demonlover
Sassho, we are kids but you are dumbass! This topic is for Nokia and Satio - NOT for your ugly soapbox Samsung! Nokia and Satio are smarthphones at all, your pixon is not. We talkin about lens cover, big screens, A-GPS, 16:9 3.5 inch wide screen wiith nHD technology, DLNA to wifi with 3.5G speed, video records WVGA (864×480) @ 25fps, and VGA (640×480) @ 30fps, etc...
Your soapbox in all that points is sucks! Please, don't shitin every topic and forum with your personal tragedy no more!
[ This Message was edited by: demonlover on 2010-10-21 09:01 ]
Posted by Sassho
On 2010-10-21 09:37:49, demonlover wrote:
Nokia and Satio are smarthphones at all
Symbian is smart? Do not foolish
Android is Smart , Symbian is dead and Pixon is аlive [ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 08:56 ]
Posted by TTT
As usual this thred won't lead to anything good.
THERE IS NO PERFECT CAMERAPHONE!
Every phone has flaws.
The difference between Pixon 12 and N8 is that the N8's flaws can be fixed. There are saturation and contrast settings in the N8 while the noise in the Pixon 12 is unchangable.
Posted by Sassho
On 2010-10-21 10:03:29, TTT wrote:
THERE IS NO PERFECT CAMERAPHONE!
Agree - no perfect things, even DSLR cameras. Pixon12 have noise reduction in Beautiful Face mode , but I not use it . I like noble grain
If anybody have N8 , please post new good samples
OK. new sample by N8 - comments please?
click
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 09:18 ]
Posted by davidsic
On 2010-10-19 08:53:43, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
Sassho = Plankgatan of Samsung phones
?
[ This Message was edited by: Luhccas-U1a on 2010-10-19 07:54 ]
Anyway where's Plank ?
Posted by Sassho
Plankgatan is dude , but with bad bad cameraphone
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 10:26 ]
Posted by TTT
Sassho. Post a macro picture and a landscape picture with clear blue sky in beauty mode or whatever that makes less noise. If there's alot less noise I will completly change my mind about Pixon 12.
Posted by ok1907
On 2010-10-21 07:44:05, Sassho wrote:
On 2010-10-20 22:44:33, mlife wrote:
sorry... but I think your confused.... grain is in film... noise is for digital media.... Or let me guess.........
Kids.....noise have everitng , even in DSLR cameras. Topic N8 vs.SATIO closed , N8 win. Now let's to see N8 / Pixon12 OK?
What are мain advantages/disadvantages N8 camera
Advantages
1.BEST biggest sensor 1/1.83"
2.Natural soft colors
3.28mm wide angle optics
4.Xenon flash
5.HD videorecord, BEST in 30 k/s
6.Low noise level
Disdvantages
1.Terrible worse optics(blur to right side or blurry spots everywhere)
2.Poor camera settings ( MACRO over 15cm, no trasking AF , no Text mode , no Smail detectoin and many more....)
3.Middle detail levels( strong noise reduction)
4.No Led flash for videorecord
5.Short battery life
Pixon12 camera
Advantages
1.BEST sharp razor 28mm wide angle optics
2.Two mechanical diafragms in camera - F3.6 F2.6
3.Close up MACRO - 8cm
4.Nice postprocessing colors,do not need editing
5.Great detail on images
6.Many camera settings
7.Xenon/Led flash
8.Phone design like camera - very comfortable
9.Long battery life
Disadvantages
1.Noble grain in sky
2.Middle videorecord quality
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 09:21 ]
1)N8 doesn't have terrible optics. There are some fixible issues caused by the size of sensor.
2)The camera has face detection but doesn't have smile detection but I don't think anyone uses this kinds of features more than 1 or 2 times.
3)Middle levels of detail? You must be kidding!
4)Led flash for video is one of the priorities that will be fixed with future firmwares.
5)You again must be kidding! The battery is very efficient.
So, you are totally a waste of time.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-21 16:32 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-21 07:44:05, Sassho wrote:
Disdvantages
1.Terrible worse optics(blur to right side or blurry spots everywhere)
2.Poor camera settings ( MACRO over 15cm, no trasking AF , no Text mode , no Smail detectoin and many more....)
3.Middle detail levels( strong noise reduction)
4.No Led flash for videorecord
5.Short battery life
@Sassho
You are not a very smart guy, i am sorry.
Worse optics? LOL.. you are truly a joke man.
Strong Noise Reduction???
N8 has almost no noise reduction in its pictures. Damian Dinning has said this himself.
Battery life is not so short either.. may not be the longest, but its not short by any means.
PIXON was the phone rated with below average battery life to idiot!!
Why do you need LED video light when you can take amazing HD quality video in a dark nightclub like this?
Small LED will do nothing here..
Pixon can only dream of this quality..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5qU-YDMxOA&translated=1
and i see you leave out key points like
Pixon 12..
1. Only 150MB on board memory, while N8 has 16GB, and expandable to 48GB
2. Samsung propriety OS (no app store)
3. Poor GPS navigation, NOT FREE, and no offline GPS capability
4. No FM transmitter
5. No HDMI
6. NO 3.5mm headphone jack
7. Non responsive touch screen
Just go away man.. you are clueless
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-21 14:57 ]
Posted by Sassho
My dear jake20 - you'r very angry, it's not good
N8 camera have good optics? Tell me about this picture a?
click
What we are see? We are see wrong AF work. Amazing but focus is good to right (ussualy blurry) side and terrible blurry on ALL left side
Why? Because AF is wrong locked to right(ussualy blurry) side , as results right side is sharp and left side is blurry. It's BEST camera for you? 
I don't think so
Now let's see battery. Pixon12 battery lasts over 500 shots or 3 days normal use.
Nokia N8 battery life is one day....it's great
Let's see phone processor. Pixon proc is 800mhz OK? And N8 proc is 624mhz....funny
Pixon12 have 1GB ROM for propriety OS , N8... ?
But this not important. Important camera quality and Pixon12 camera on very high level. Ask more from Nokia dude
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 17:04 ]
Posted by Acelew
I thought this thread should be all about Satio and N8,and should be comparison between Satio and N8.
Posted by HxH
Tired don't you
Posted by davidsic
Nokia N8 vs Sony Ericsson Satio: The 12 Megapixel, Xenon Flash Camera Showdown -> here
[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2010-10-21 20:15 ]
Posted by etaab
I really cannot believe the amount of immature bickering ive just read. Ive been away from Esato since around Sunday, this thread was on page 32 or something. I cannot even be bothered to read it all as most of it is opinions and not fact.
Well here is the opinion of a N8 AND Satio owner. The N8 blows the Satio's camera completely out of the water. Im just uploading examples of this right now and will post soon. Ive taken some better pictures today now that ive spent some time with the N8 and have learnt how to use its camera better.
Im not saying im the perfect photographer, but the examples i have coming up show how much the N8 has advanced over the Satio with its camera. I used the Satio to the best of my ability, which has been pretty damn good IMO, im a pretty good shooter with the Satio. But, again, the N8 blows the Satio away.
Speak soon
Posted by Bonovox
Satio takes noisy pics
Posted by Sassho
Terrible quality from N8 - it's realy impossible. This's not real test. Protected glass on N8 camera looks smudged with finger , it's not corect. But N8 optics is amazing terrible
Satio have good colors and contrast but low detail.
P.P. Answer on mistery is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clintonjeff/5093748924/
This photo was taken on October 13, 2010 using a Sony Ericsson U1i
N8...................................Satio
[ This Message was edited by: Sassho on 2010-10-21 20:52 ]
Posted by ok1907
On 2010-10-21 21:14:23, davidsic wrote:
Nokia N8 vs Sony Ericsson Satio: The 12 Megapixel, Xenon Flash Camera Showdown -> here
[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2010-10-21 20:15 ]
Some N8 photos look out of focus and blurred. That's caused by the finger prints on the lens. We have seen great pictures by n8 so far and those blurry pictures are not the fault of N8. So, n8 vs satio, I think there is no contest.
Posted by naveedaziz83
Just got my silver n8 yesterday and really like it. has features and applications that i want
this is my first time using ovi maps and love it as well. sat locks in a matter of seconds whereas the same took some time in satio.
i want to ask you ovi maps user a question. can we choose a destination based on coordinates (just like in garmin). I cant seem to find it.
would really appreciate if some1 could tell me how to.
Posted by etaab
OK lets start by taking a look at my first picture. Now, i must stress this is not perfect photography, but you get the general idea. Here we see a common street view
Satio
Full size click here
Now look at the Nokia N8 picture. The buildings in the middle of the shot are much better exposed than the Satio image. The Satio's image makes the building almost look like it is glowing or about to burn out white - like the sky. Notice how the sky is not burnt as white in the N8 picture as the Satio picture. The Satio makes every day look like a cloudy day when clearly it is not. I personally with a bit more practise can probably see me getting rather well exposed skies. The N8 colour and sharpness beats the Satio hands down.
Nokia N8
Full size click here
OK time for the next picture..
Satio
Full size click here
Sadly, i cocked up this picture with the N8 and its autofocus, as you can see i completely blurred the tree on the left of the picture. However, again you can see just how much cooler and true to life the N8 captures scenes. Colour representation is spot on, the sky is less burnt out and the sharpness is pretty much spot on too. The N8 is far better imo, but slightly harder than the Satio to get a good image. It takes practise moreso than the Satio did as it has a much wider field of view with its wider angle lens.
Nokia N8
Full size click here
The Satio seems to make every picture look like it was a much nicer and sunnier day than it actually was.
Now for the next picture. I had two attempts with the N8 as at first i was not very happy with the angle i had the phone held, it was slightly more pointed upwards than the Satio image, therefore please choose which is the better comparison picture.
Satio
Full size click here
Again, the Nokia gives much better colours, much better sharpness and far less post processing. The images are raw, look realistic and not like the day was very sunny. The Satio image people may prefer, but to be honest when you compare it to the reality of the N8 picture the Satio version looks mocked up !
Nokia N8
Full size click here
Full size click here
Im sorry to say to SE but they have lost this war on cameras IMO. The N8 makes the Satio look almost amateurish ! if thats a real word !
Here we go again, this time, LOW LIGHT SAMPLES
Now, im not the best low light photographer. In fact usually i avoid taking low light samples with any phone unless its a party portrait. However after reading peoples views on Esato i decided to use all i know using various focus methods, ISO altering, using various scenes etc. But the Nokia N8 completely wins hands down here imo. Theres not as much to play around with, especially when resized down but its a pretty much straightforward victory for the Nokia N8.
Satio samples
That is about the best i could manage from the Satio. Terrible focus and bad capture when compared to the N8 which follows shortly..
Nokia N8
If anyone would like to see the Nokia N8 shots full size please say so, as at the moment i type this im losing patience with Imageshack ! lol
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-10-21 21:45 ]
Posted by zide
I would like to compare both in full size. This way it's impossible to compare the resolved detail.
Posted by goldenface
I wouldn't say there was a lot of difference between the two, when I expected the N8 to be a lot better. They seem to have similar performance IMO.
In the first comparison pictures, the detail on the stone wall opposite, the car registration plate and the leaves in the gutter look a lot sharper on the Satio sample.
Posted by ok1907
On 2010-10-21 23:28:34, goldenface wrote:
I wouldn't say there was a lot of difference between the two, when I expected the N8 to be a lot better. They seem to have similar performance IMO.
In the first comparison pictures, the detail on the stone wall opposite, the car registration plate and the leaves in the gutter look a lot sharper on the Satio sample.
It's because the objects look smaller on N8's photo. The edtail can't be compared with 800*600 pictures. Full size pics would reveal the details.
Posted by etaab
@ zide - there is little or no detail to be found in the Satio pictures, however if you would like me to list one Satio verus one N8 ill upload them tomorrow. Imageshack is rather slow and cumbersome these days.
@ goldenface - ok1907 is correct, due to the wider angle lens of the N8 more of the scene is captured, therefore the Satio image appears bigger but with less of the scene captured. The N8 captures more of the scene but everything is generally smaller in proportion to the image as a whole. Viewing the images at full 100% crop reveals the detail in the N8 images, just like ok1907 said.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but i prefer the raw realistic images of the N8. Until now ive accepted the Satio camera even though it made everything look more colourful than it actually is. Portraits of myself show this that people have taken of me, i tend to look brown and tanned in Satio images, when really im usually always the exact opposite.
Posted by HxH
Poor Satio
Thanks for effort again, this time is no double up compare