Posted by HxH
Well, Lil'bit talk about N8 after yesterday was played with it for while
1.Impressive superbly fast focus locked less than my blink and quick capturing shoot less than 2 secs per shot.
2.Anodize aluminum body really good built and light weight actually it was 135 grams but I felt it light than my SATIO that 126 grams and it was real fine when hold it hand.
body was locked up with knot look easily noticeable though isn't deal breaker but doesn't look nice too
3.Camera UI isn' pretty as SATIO but more adjustable features but bit sluggish maybe I need sometime to get used to
Switching between still image and video capture is really fast less than 10 secs prompt to use
4.Multi-Touch in Symbian is available here but damn it isn't really useful much as others model have it
need lot of optimizing I will not give verdict today until final product launch one month at least
5.Impressive running up to 6-8 programs at same time without lagging noticeable Ovi maps included one of that.
But Overall UI is still unattractive to me anyway less change as s60v5 but home screen have up to 5 page with smooth transition
6.Keyboard has newly revamp too didn't have time to try much because lot of people wait after me
If you want monster of camera and good maps navigator (I did not mean Ovi really!) under 450 afaik price-tag goes for it.
p.s. Iphone 4 LED Flash maybe one of powerful LED today almost 2 meters and with close range flash really helpful one
If I did not get 3Gs last year Iphone 4 will today as single unit with powerful-all rounder and flash light as I expected
Posted by AbuBasim
Today Engadget posted a shootout between the N8 and the iPhone 4 here. Full size crops and video samples also available. Quite interesting actually. Overall I'd say the N8 is better but not with a wide margin. Here is one of the samples:
One more:
[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2010-10-01 09:23 ]
Posted by ares
If you got to that article coments itīs fun to see Nokia fanboys struggling to accept the N8 camera does not trump iPhone4īs after all
Posted by goldenface
Although I think I prefer the N8 picture above. The iPhone 4 pic of the stone work looks very noisy.
Posted by jake20
that camera comparison is awful, and to me it almost looks like the reviewer went out of his way to make the N8 pics look worse.
On the N8 shots there is lots of camera shake and blurry pics.
Look at the red macro shot of the number 53.. The N8 pic is clearly not in proper focus, yet the Iphone shot is in focus.
and the videos are so over compressed, they both look like crap. N8 video looks miles better than this.
this is a bogus camera comparison to me
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-01 14:06 ]
Posted by HxH
In color comparison N8 won hand down, Iphone 4 over-contrast and look warm pics which not likely Britain weather...wait for etaab answer this!
In detail, I thought it can't compare because N8 should have better focus, it seem tester didn't get used to enough
N8 was shot at 9Mpx for 16:9 while Iphone 4 was 5Mpx and 4:3 then picture did not swap
though Iphone 4 tester had more time to played with unlike N8
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 15:46:09, HxH wrote:
In color comparison N8 won hand down, Iphone 4 over-contrast and look warm pics which not likely Britain weather...wait for etaab answer this!
In detail, I thought it can't compare because N8 should have better focus, it seem tester didn't get used to enough
N8 was shot at 9Mpx for 16:9 while Iphone 4 was 5Mpx and 4:3 then picture did not swap
though Iphone 4 tester had more time to played with unlike N8
These sitesī purposes are only to be the first ones to review the phone. They seem not to be keen on having it complete and extensively reviewed, though.
Take this review, for instance:http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/nokia-n8-692448/review?artc_pg=6
This is completely pointless. This person barely knows what EV means. He (or she) even feels good at having lots of highlight clipping in his (or hers) shots, and only relies on Camera Programs to take them.
These reviews doesnīt have nothing of 'scientifical'. A complete review needs to have a complete test of resolved resolution over all the ISO range, as well as a colour chart test. That would precisely indicate the loss of both Colour Saturation and Dynamic Range as the ISO is increased, as well as colour accuracy.
Despite this I cannot help feeling underwhelmed by these N8 shots. They remind me the pictures from k800, k850 and the like... They seem rather pale. That is an indicator of poor Dynamic Range, and thatīs quite odd. From what Iīve seen before, I thought it would be quite the opposite. I guess Iīll have to wait a few more reviews of it before giving my final judgment.
Considering that the N8 doesnīt have a cover to protect the lenses, and considering the reputation of these sites when it comes to photography, dirty lenses would hardly be a surprise.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 16:12 ]
Posted by jake20
look at these 2 N8 videos, and compare to the crap that Engadget is putting out for N8.
just amazing quality.. Engadget is a joke.. they are amateurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjIOj19XSOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-v7B74NwUw
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 17:34:28, jake20 wrote:
look at these 2 N8 videos, and compare to the crap that Engadget is putting out for N8.
just amazing quality.. Engadget is a joke.. they are amateurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjIOj19XSOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-v7B74NwUw
Itīs worse than that. Engadget (and Gizmodo as well) seems to be paid by Apple. They are strongly biased.
Here weīve got a better look of this situation:
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/1[....]ity-colours-and-higher-detail/
Still needs a lot more samples to see things in a broader perspective, though.
Some more samples:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.co[....]a_N8_part_1_hardware_and_m.php
Just an appetizer (howīs that for detail?)
And this? Almost no colour fringing:
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 16:57 ]
Posted by ares
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...hereīs a more educated opinion about the iphone 4 camera
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:00 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...you guys are just the example of the fanboys are refered too...sad to see esato full of blokia fanboys...dire times...
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 16:57 ]
Ok. Thatīs your opinion. I guess we havenīt offended nobody here. Please, letīs keep things that way.
By the way, be my guest to post some of these iPhone4 pics of yours. I guess that itīs more than notorious that the iPhone outputs pictures that are extremely over saturated. Theyīre also over-sharpened, giving, in some situations, a 'oil-painting' like feeling.
Besides that, I guess that nobody here has stated that the iPhone4 camera is crap either.
And nobody states that Symbian is a better OS, as well.
I personally feel that itīs not as bad as people depict. Letīs face it. Saying that Symbian is a crap OS is not an accurate opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 17:08 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...hereīs a more educated opinion about the iphone 4 camera
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:00 ]
@ first look, these pics look good, but just look at them closer and again youīll see all that saturation boost I was talking about.
Posted by ares
I posted some photos at the iphone 4 photo thread here at esato, but so far i only managed to shoot sunsets and little else. Hereīs a closeup iīve just made
Regarding the oversaturation, it is noticeable in certain photos...but i have no problems with it....hereīs another photo i made in my daughters room
In this case, believe me, the colors were just like that - morning sun was entering through the windows, and the room is full of light and color...i immediately fell in love with ip4 camere (it was the morning after i got it)
And letīs just say i have a very strong dislike for s60 and the current Symbian UI (thatīs why i called it crap)
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:21 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 18:15:17, ares wrote:
Check the link i gave...itīs more informative than anything i could say...and thereīs nothing looking like a painting there to me
I posted some photos at the iphone 4 photo thread here at esato, but so far i only managed to shoot sunsets and little else. Hereīs a closup iīve just made
And letīs just say i have a very strong dislike for s60 and the current Symbian UI (thatīs why i called it crap)
Close upīs doesnīt tell much about cameraīs quality. Nowadays almost all cameraphones take good close up shots.
I canīt argue with you more, as I donīt have a N8 to do so.
Posted by ares
Fair enough. My point is the iPhone 4 has a very good camera, and itīs not miles behing the powerfull (camera speaking) n8.
That said the n8 camera is awesome...i love it being wide angle...would love to see it on a phone with decent OS
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:35 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-01 18:23:32, ares wrote:
Fair enough. My point is the iPhone 4 has a very good camera, and itīs not miles behing the powerfull (camera speaking) n8.
That said the n8 camera is awesome...i love it being wide angle...would love to see it on a phone with decent OS
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:35 ]
Youīre right. iPhone4īs camera isnīt far behind. In fact, it shouldnīt come as a surprise.
Despite the N8īs sensor being much bigger, both have the same pixel size, so they should perform similarly.
The advantage of 12 megapixels do show, though.
Take 2 samples, one taken with the iPhone4 and other taken with the N8. With similar noise reduction algorithms, and with both samples reduced to the same size, all noise pixels in the N8 picture should ultimately appear smaller that in the iPhone4 one.
Conversely, one could tune up the N8 camera to output similar pictures in terms of perceivable noise and opt for tuning the noise reduction down, what would mean that its pictures would hold both resolution, dynamic range and colour saturation as the ISO is increased.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 18:00 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...hereīs a more educated opinion about the iphone 4 camera
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:00 ]
the N8 is a dedicated camerphone, and the Iphone is not? what does that even mean?
the weak LED flash of Iphone sets it back a mile right there.. go try an take a picture in a nightclub, then back back to me.. and lets see some night low light Iphone pics as well..
My old W760 took fantastic daytime shots as well, a lot of camera can take great shots in good lighting.
go away you apple fanboy
man, all these apple fanboy have nothing better to do than invade a Symbian/Nokia discussion thread.. what losers
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-01 17:52 ]
Posted by Vit
After all, itīs all about compromises.
The N8 is a phone that has not taken any compromises regarding to the camera. Some compromises have been assumed when it comes to the OS, though.
Thatīs quite the opposite to Appleīs approach.
Some like Nokiaīs approach. Some like Appleīs, intead.
And thatīs the greatness of the mobile market. If everybody liked just one model, soon its maker would rule the market. And that would definitely not be a good thing.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 18:08 ]
Posted by jake20
Look at these two pictures.. and how can you still say Iphone camera is close to same quality as N8
can easily tell the contrast and saturation is turned up on the Iphone to "appear" to have more vivid colors, but when in the right setting, this trick can easily be exposed like in this shot.
Just look at the sky and clouds.. Iphone4 can not even expose them at all.. its like they are not even there.
that is poor, and totally unnatural representation of the actual scene by Iphone camera..
bottom line is that Iphone has a good camera for a cellphone, but N8 has a point and shoot standalone quality camera.
don't be a fanboy, be honest
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-01 18:34 ]
Posted by HxH
Okay, then check this out
Simply Amazing! from N8
http://blog.gsmarena.com/noki[....]deo-and-camera-samples-inside/
Posted by jake20
another excellent video review of the camera capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ4y77nVKI&feature=player_embedded
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Those Engadget shots are ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC!
they have made the N8 look so out of focus, i thought people here were over reacting, but its the opposite, im no longer a fan of Nokia and would take a iP4 over a N8 ANYDAY, but lets be honest here, that really was not a fair comparison with those cropped shots, i feel sick to my stomach just looking at them, im going to wait for GSMArena to do a [roper comparison.
Posted by HxH
Well! As not take NOKIA side, so do I step back from
side I mean less aggressive than before after SATIO's treatment it some kind of unacceptable for me
What a coincide!
Posted by epdm
[snipped a few things]
Its a good OS but the UI is in need of a major change, nothing flashy just something better structured.
After using Android i simply cant stand S60 at all, and it seems like Symbian ^3 isnt that different.
Symbian^3 is totally different. It IS better structured! It IS made consistent across the UI. That's the whole point of Symbian^3 otherwise Nokia could have stuck with S60v5 (and progressed to S60v6).
It's just that Symbian^3 LOOKS the same as S60v5. And aparantly many ppl are only interested in how flashy a Ui is. Sure, S3 isn't as flashy as iOS4 or Android but it makes up for a consistent featureset across devices.
Posted by ares
@jake20, WHO are you calling a fanboy kid? I've been esato user and SE/UIQ fan since you were probably on your diapers. I made my point and stick to it. You know what's worse than apple fanboys? Lame Nokia/symbian zealots.
Esato now is full of the kind, sadly
P.s: not realizing or admiting the n8 was made The n8 was specifically made to be the ultimate cameraphone, and the iPhone 4 not, only shows the value of anything you say
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 23:37 ]
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-02 00:34:16, ares wrote:
@jake20, WHO are you calling a fanboy kid? I've been esato user and SE/UIQ fan since you were probably on your diapers. I made my point and stick to it. You know what's worse than apple fanboys? Lame Nokia/symbian zealots.
Esato now is full of the kind, sadly
P.s: not realizing or admiting the n8 was made The n8 was specifically made to be the ultimate cameraphone, and the iPhone 4 not, only shows the value of anything you say
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 23:37 ]
@ares
first of all, yes i am calling you a fanboy because that is exactly how you are acting.. just look at your post history here in this thread..
On 2010-10-01 11:41:10, ares wrote:
If you got to that article coments itīs fun to see Nokia fanboys struggling to accept the N8 camera does not trump iPhone4īs after all
you make a comment like that and you wonder why you are being called an Apple fanboy..
and who are you calling kid son.. i am 38 years old.. and I don't care how long you are here on Esato.. that means nothing to me.
i could care less who makes the phone, Nokia, Apple, Samsung, etc.. i have no allegiance to any company.. and why should i? I am not getting anything from any of them. I just want the best overall phone with a preference for solid GPS and camera quality.. so of course I am going to lean towards the N8.
If my preference was a phone with a slick user interface and OK camera (LED Flash) and tons of apps.. I would go for Iphone or Android.
Now i see you are trying to backtrack and say that the only reason Nokia camera is better is because they made the phone to be a cameraphone fisrt, unlike Iphone..
what a ridiculous comment.. i could say that Apple just concentrated on making a flashy user interface, and that is why the interface is better than the N8.
you see my point?
you are the one coming in here (to my thread) and calling people Nokia fanboys first.. yet you get mad when people challenge you back?
come on dude, get real..
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-10-02 00:28 ]
Posted by skblakee
Any release date for yours yet Jake? I will be in Miami in a few weeks and I want to get me one.
Posted by ares
I called people at engadget coments Nokia fanboys. Here, I only called you, after you saying I was an apple fanboy. Please understand if I was ever an fanboy, was regarding SE. Regarding the iPhone, I'm not an American peehead that had a crap razr and saw the iPhone has a gift from god. I had 6 years of SE phones, most of them running Symbian UIQ. I just have problems with people that dismiss the iPhone has a cult fabrication vs the "superior" finish devices. They're the exactly the same has the most rabid apple folowers if not worse. I'm also a photography aficionado. I don't find n8 photos immensely superior, while I don't deny they are better, because they had to be (you deny the obvious camera centric nature of the n8, and honestly that makes me not take seriously anything you say)
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-02 02:02:21, skblakee wrote:
Any release date for yours yet Jake? I will be in Miami in a few weeks and I want to get me one.
release date for mine went from 10-7 to 11-15.. but that is for a green one. for some reason Nokia is not releasing the colors now in USA, only the dark grey model.. now that pisses me off
Dark grey may still be available in a few weeks here though if you want it
Posted by zide
I'm looking forward to seeing an exhaustive camera comparison between Pixon12, Satio and N8.
Posted by Luhccas-U1a
And i'm looking at the blurry areas on some pictures...
N82's 2010 edition?
Congratulations Nokia.
Posted by etaab
Can we all calm down please !
Look, this guy said it brilliantly:
On 2010-10-01 23:25:27, epdm wrote:
Symbian^3 is totally different. It IS better structured! It IS made consistent across the UI. That's the whole point of Symbian^3 otherwise Nokia could have stuck with S60v5 (and progressed to S60v6).
It's just that Symbian^3 LOOKS the same as S60v5. And aparantly many ppl are only interested in how flashy a Ui is. Sure, S3 isn't as flashy as iOS4 or Android but it makes up for a consistent featureset across devices.
Now i havent used Symbian 3 at all yet but i know this already. It is a completely new version of Symbian that according to people who have used it runs much smoother and better structured than previous versions. And it should. I cannot wait to try it out.
I can understand peoples opinions such as ares's, people have been annoyed or burnt by Symbian in the past and then when Apple shows off their dramatically better user interface it only compounds Symbians problems. Symbians touch version of their OS present in the Satio, N97, i8910 etc is rather poor in comparison. Today, my Satio lacks functions that were present on my old N95 8gb, i cannot ignore that. So i agree, current Symbian 1 is rather not user friendly and annoying to use.
Symbian 3 will be a return to form imo. The fact SE and now Samsung do not wish to use Symbian anymore is irrelevant also. SE seem to prefer Android, Samsung want to develop their own Bada platform. It does not mean Symbian is dying or has some disease that cannot be cured.
I love the iPhones, since 2007, but they have always been some way behind Symbian not in the user interface, but in the depth of what is capable with the OS. Like i said at the start of this thread to jake20, i advised him like me to buy a N8 this year, then next year see if Apple or Android have something more worthwhile our money - a proper cameraphone with the emphasis on the camera part. At the moment, not a single Android or iPhone can compete in that area imo.
I do think the iPhone takes better pictures than any Android phone with the possible exception of the X10, but like jake20 also said, wheres the flash ? wheres all the other camera centric options and advantages that the N8 / Satio / C905 / K800i / K850i has ? its not meant to be primarily a high spec cameraphone.
Im not interested in arguing with people on this forum. I merely get annoyed when people brand Symbian as old and obsolete when clearly its far from the truth. The same people try to tell me the N8 will be crap and a waste of my money. I dont like people trying to force their negative opinions onto me - thats all.
I give credit where credit is due. Symbian deserve a ton of credit for their OS, can you imagine a world without Symbian ? we'd still be using basic dumb phones that use manufacturers own interfaces, stuck with simple java apps to enrich our phones. Or worse still, a market dominated by Palm OS or Windows Mobile !
Android and Apple also deserve a lot of credit for moving the market forwards, but i dont think they have brought anything exclusively new to the market either. They've simply made mobile phone operating systems more modern, prettier and up to date by supporting all the latest hardware and software improvements over recent years.
Ill say it once more and its the last time i will say it. Ill buy the N8 for what it gives me now over other phones using these prettier operating systems. Then in a years time when my contract is up for renewal ill consider Android and Apple again. Maybe after another years maturity they will be able to replace Symbian because as of autumn 2010 they cannot.
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-02 10:06:18, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
And i'm looking at the blurry areas on some pictures...
N82's 2010 edition?
Congratulations Nokia.
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless youīre @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
Posted by Vit
Guys, I guess we should remember the primary intention of this thread.
Weīre here to discuss how the N8 compares to the Satio.
Iīll definetly buy it over the Satio, but I wonīt say itīs the perfect substitute, and here are 2 key points I will definetely be missing from my old Satio:
CAMERA COVER - Very helpful to avoid grease over the lens;
THE PHOTO GALLERY (from the first home screen to the right) - Perfect kinectic scrolling thorugh pictures (could be implemented by Nokia, though). To be fair, I guess that those 5 home screens from SEīs S60v5 look way better than these N8 ones;
Points that i do like in the N8:
GREAT SOFTWARE SUPPORT (5800 is still getting firmware updates);
GREAT FREE GPS SOFTWARE, WITH FREE WORLDWIDE VOICE GUIDED NAVIGATION AND MAPS UPDATES;
GREAT UNLIMITED MUSIC DOWNLOAD SUBSCRIPTION;
FM transmitter;
3,5 mm jack;
GREAT ON BOARD DICTIONARY.
Regarding the camera, Iīll miss the video light, but I guess that the N8 focus assist beam shall perform better than the white LED from SE. It was already better in the N82. Its focus assist beam is great because it was not only less diffusive than SEīs LED, but its generated image also has a segmented pattern, which ultimately helps to have a better focus in complete darkness, even at greater distances.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 16:17 ]
Posted by ok1907
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Posted by Vit
@ JAKE
and who are you calling kid son.. i am 38 years old.. and I don't care how long you are here on Esato.. that means nothing to me.
i could care less who makes the phone, Nokia, Apple, Samsung, etc.. i have no allegiance to any company.. and why should i? I am not getting anything from any of them. I just want the best overall phone with a preference for solid GPS and camera quality.. so of course I am going to lean towards the N8.
If my preference was a phone with a slick user interface and OK camera (LED Flash) and tons of apps.. I would go for Iphone or Android.
This is exactly how I feel about this subject.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 17:06 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Now weīre talking!
These are proper shots.
I personally think that the N8 outputs finer detailed pictures.
Canon may have a slight advantage in contrast, but we must remember that it has been used mostly at f8.0, whereas the N8 has a fixed aperture of f2.8. In general, for the same lens, the wider the aperture, the lower the contrast.
Canon shots also have slightly warmer colour tone and appear to have considerably more post processing sharpness.
Noise levels are pretty much similar.
Here weīgot some crops... I feel that the N8 fares even better than the Canon...
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/1[....]ness-the-n8s-precision-pixels/
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-02 20:30 ]
Posted by zide
Wow! Very nice! Thanks!
Posted by jake20
On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Was this even final firmware on the N8? it doesn't seem to be since this comparison was done in September when final firmware was not out yet.
Posted by ok1907
On 2010-10-02 19:43:03, jake20 wrote:
On 2010-10-02 18:01:40, ok1907 wrote:
N8 vs Canon Ixus 130
I don't know if this comparison was given.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 17:03 ]
Was this even final firmware on the N8? it doesn't seem to be since this comparison was done in September when final firmware was not out yet.
It is 28th of september, 4 days ago. We need to know when the guy who made this comparison got the phone. I think it should be very close to final firmware. About comparison, I prefer the shots from n8. When you look at the 100% crops, the detail is higher. I guess we don't need to worry about daylight shots as it clearly beats canon. I have no knowledge about ixus 130 but canon is a powerful player in compact camera world. So, ixus 130 must be a good one. I wish they compared them at night.
Posted by ok1907
Other shots from comparison: http://share.ovi.com/album/Mo[....]ounge.NokiaN8vsCanonI?count=50
Posted by ok1907
By the way, Ixus 130 has 1/2.3″ sensor, while N8 has 1/1.83″. That comparison was made on 15th of september according to exif data. So, that's not final firmware for sure.
[ This Message was edited by: ok1907 on 2010-10-02 20:48 ]
Posted by Luhccas-U1a
On 2010-10-02 16:03:35, Vit wrote:
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless youīre @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
This:
Right at ferris wheel...
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-02 22:34:28, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
On 2010-10-02 16:03:35, Vit wrote:
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless youīre @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
This:
Right at ferris wheel...
I agree with you on that area.
But thatīs a small portion of the scene. To my eyes there is plenty of detail on that picture, if you take that small portion aside.
Nevertheless, we all know that no optics is perfect. Satioīs, IMO, is one of the worst cameraphones when it comes to corner softness and general optics quality. It also lacks contrast, just like the old k800.
I donīt have a picture to compare fairly enough to the one youīve pointed at, but I do have one that compares to the second picture Iīve posted. This has come from my very own Satio:
Well, as anybody can see, apart from the center, everything else is very, very blurred.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-03 03:59 ]
Posted by Luhccas-U1a
But thatīs a small portion of the scene
Exactly... And that is worrying.
This isn't the only with that "dead" zone.
It's looks like a faulty sensor,not DOF,Hyperfocal distance,focal aperture limitations.
Your example just show a tilt shot like picture,isn't the same thing.
I can see a lot of details on N8's sample too. But the blurred point draws attention because it's noticeable weird.
Posted by AbuBasim
Water-drop on the lens?
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-03 05:32:54, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
But thatīs a small portion of the scene
Exactly... And that is worrying.
This isn't the only with that "dead" zone.
It's looks like a faulty sensor,not DOF,Hyperfocal distance,focal aperture limitations.
Your example just show a tilt shot like picture,isn't the same thing.
I can see a lot of details on N8's sample too. But the blurred point draws attention because it's noticeable weird.
I agree with you that this particular area seems odd. But had it been a faulty sensor, one should expect to witness the same results throughout the collection of samples produced by the same camera. That doesnīt seem to be the case, though. Iīve seen some pics with the same area blurred, but also some without any blur at all. I donīt know. I thought it was a limitation of its optics. Perhaps distortion in one (or more) of the five optics elements on that area. As the focus changes, that effect become more or less aparent.
About the shot Iīve provided, my point was to compare it to that second N8 shot Iīve posted, in the absence of a fair comparison shot to the first one. I agree it doesnīt depict the same issue, but my point was merely to spot Satioīs main drawback. Donīt get me wrong here. For instance, I think that Satioīs sensor is very good in low light up to ISO 500, perhaps the best in this regard, but during the day, under strong light, its optics, at least to my taste, makes a great amount of pictures become a big letdown. Even though the camera was tilted on that shot, the nearest object in the frame was more than 10 meters away from me. I would expect it to be sharp enough. Take these shots I took with a Pixon12 as an example of more or less the same situation:
Anyway, I guess itīs still too soon to blame or to praise anything regarding N8īs camera, and even regarding the N8 itself.
I repeat that I agree with you about that shot, but from what Iīve seen from other pictures and sources, it seems to be a singular case, and I guess youīll agree with that.
Have you seen the comparison with the Canon IXUS 130? What are your thoughts about it?
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-03 11:09 ]
Posted by Vit
On 2010-10-03 10:29:43, AbuBasim wrote:
Water-drop on the lens?
Yeah, or perhaps dust, finger prints... You know, itīs not gotten a camera lens cover (I know Iīll miss it).
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