Posted by BobaFett
probably htc is responseable for the hw...
just as like at se,
is responseable for the hw and se for the fw
Posted by Turboguard
Can't comment if HTC are involved.
Why can't they comment on that?
Are HTC embarressed working with SE or what?!
That's just silly.
Posted by BobaFett
in biz life there are many confidental informations, for many reasons...
Posted by DickySnapples
confirming HTC made it would take the limelight away from
Posted by >500
or maybe the just dont know for sure?
Even if people knew HTC had a hand in it, im sure it wouldnt affect sales. Especially since HTC seem to be making decent phones currently!
Again, every one knew already HTC were contracted to make WM devices for
Posted by t0t0_b0y
What's the chance that HTC will release it's own version of Xperia X1 but under different name? Take for example the HTC TyTn that has a different name when sold by Dopod. Will X1 be exclusive to SE only?
Posted by DickySnapples
i would of thought it will be a SE exclusive . but we may see some of the ideas from the xperia in future HTC devices
Posted by BobaFett
u never know at htc... maybe se have exclusive contarct for x1, but then they payed a lot of money for it...
Posted by laffen
There could be many reasons why they don't want to comment that. Many secrets in this business. Today I talked to TAT which has developed part of or the complete user interface framework in Sony Ericsson, Samsung (and was it LG?) devices. Their are currently found in over 55.000.000 sold mobile phones. Then I asked them about Nokia. Were their products implemented in Nokia devices? "Nothing official" they said. Does that mean they have or are delivering something to Nokia? In any case, a NDA does probably prevent them from telling this.
Anyway. The X1 is being developed in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, U.S
Posted by Arne Anka
Another video (just click on the media player on the page).
http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePa[....]5&iNoteRoot=72208&iNote=72209#
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-02-14 00:42 ]
Posted by Dogmann
@NightBlade
Yeah sure right as otherwise why is all that anyone will show is the 9 panels and there views you get by selecting it via the left or right buttons taht appear to need two taps to even doing anything and nothing else duh because there isn't anything else working yet perhaps..
Sorry to disappoint you die hard SE fans but for a device coming in what 8-9 months time my E90 eats it for breakfast unless of course the be all and end all is a Touchscreen.
In the meantime I'll continue using the most powerful Symbian devcie to date that requires far less processor power then WM so the extra 190mhz means nothing. I'll also continue using my 800x352 screen for Web browsing with one of the best browsers available on any mobile devcie and not that PIE POS, and looking at Web sites in thier full glory and when relaxing watching my full screen Movies and TV shows all in MP4 h.264 and you know what I'll do it now not some time way off in the future either. So while you dream and wait for your killer devcie I'll just enjoy mine now and await the future improvements Nokia make over the 8-9 months.
Marc
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Posted by tonchy
What could be exclusive from the Xperia X1?HTC already has all this technology out there (i.e. TyTII)
To me there is nothing new apart from the panels concept. so i think HTC made the whole thing.
Think about it. If
had been a little more involved than designing the panels and maybe the housing, they would at least have pushed the X1 to have M2 and fastport support. Think of all accesories they could have sold.As i said, to me, they did not have control at all over the HW except for maybe the housing.
i hope the P5 really surprises me.
Posted by Arne Anka
Concerning the rumor as HTC as manufaturer of X1, back in 2007 EMP introduced their new platform U370 (will hit the market the second half of 2008), which is the first EMP platform to support multipple OS:es like Windows and Linux.
http://www.ericsson.com/solut[....]newsarchive/2007/issue_1.shtml
In August 2007 EMP sings a contract with HTC as provider of 3G platform for HTC.
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20030618-908277.shtml
So, the idea that HTC assembles the X1 for SE is not that distant I believe (designed by SE, made by HTC).
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-02-14 00:47 ]
Posted by laurenke01
I can't believe SE had limited input in regard to the specs/design on the X1. I mean, it's ridiculous to think SE went to HTC and said, "Hey we have this idea for a phone..." to which HTC said, "Say no more," disappeared, and a few months later had a working prototype.
What is more likely is that SE went to HTC with explicit instructions, designs, and expectations, after which HTC built the phone to SE's specifications.
The brawn may be have been HTC, but the brains were SE.
That being said, I too am looking forward to the P5i because I believe it will be an even better product.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-02-14 00:43 ]
Posted by Mizzle
Dogmann,
First of all, a small welcome and a big farewell for when you'll be leaving... again.
What's better about E90 than X1? Oh, and just so you know. It's not SE's fault the device won't come out soon. It's Microsoft's fault, and it all depends on when they'll announce the OS. Which was also why
didn't state Q3 / Q4, but instead did a "2nd half 2008" statement.
Posted by DickySnapples
so if
had all these ideas. Why didn't they just make it themselves
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-02-14 01:42:43, laurenke01 wrote:
I can't believe SE had limited input in regard to the specs/design on the X1. I mean, it's ridiculous to think SE went to HTC and said, "Hey we have this idea for a phone..." to which HTC said, "Say no more," disappeared, and a few months later had a working prototype.
What is more likely is that SE went to HTC with explicit instructions, designs, and expectations, after which HTC built the phone to SE's specifications.
The brawn may be have been HTC, but the brains were SE.
That being said, I too am looking forward to the P5i because I believe it will be an even better product.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-02-14 00:43 ]
If that was the case then why
No M2?
No Fastport?
3.5 mm?
SD only?
overall very similar specs to TyTnII.
@Dicky
IMHO the only idea was to get market share. WinMo is a big pie and
wanted a piece 
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-14 00:51 ]
Posted by laurenke01
@Snapples: I don't know - Limited resources/knowledge of WM? Why don't you ask SE?
On 2008-02-14 01:47:56, tonchy wrote:
If that was the case then why
No M2?
No Fastport?
3.5 mm?
SD only?
overall very similar specs to TyTnII.
Easy - As a WM product, it appeals to an audience of people who have likely never heard of or used any of Sony's proprietary stuff. They'd be clueless and therefore not buy the product. By having "normal" things found on "normal" phones, it appeals to a broader range of people.
Plus, current WM users looking to upgrade will probably already have a host of hardware and whatnot that would be completely useless if SE went with their proprietary stuff...which would piss off potential customers and cause them to buy something else.
As for current SE users who are familiar with fastports and whatever...well, this product may not be for them. That 's where the P5i comes into play.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-02-14 00:56 ]
Posted by DickySnapples
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Surely its
's fault for deciding to go with an os that isn't even ready yet
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2008-02-14 01:47:00, Dicky Snapples wrote:
so if
had all these ideas. Why didn't they just make it themselves
If the rumor is true, it can be that HTC has more experince of WM development than SE, so HTC focuses on X1 and SE on their non-WM devices.
Posted by BobaFett
@mizzle they could launch it with wm 6.0 then they shouldnt wait... later xperia users could make an upgrade for a newer wm os...
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-02-14 01:51:23, laurenke01 wrote:
@Snapples: I don't know - Limited resources? Why don't you ask SE?
On 2008-02-14 01:47:56, tonchy wrote:
If that was the case then why
No M2?
No Fastport?
3.5 mm?
SD only?
overall very similar specs to TyTnII.
Easy - As a WM product, it appeals to an audience of people who have likely never heard of or used any of Sony's proprietary stuff. They'd be clueless and therefore not buy the product. By having "normal" things found on "normal" phones, it appeals to a broader range of people.
If the idea is to appeal then Either X1 should have had both worlds in one. fastport, 3.5 jack, M2 and MicroSD (just like k850 for the Microsd and M2 card) or
would have dropped the M2 and Fastport on new pphones. i did not see either happening.
so please let's stop being naive and blindly claim the X1 is a cutting edge device from
coz it is neither cutting edge nor from
sorry if i sounded too negative but it is just my opinion.
I am a true SE fan since the T610 and i was thrilled when i heard the announcement but a little disapointed later when i found oout about the specs and that it will hit the shelves in more than 6 months.
Edit: Ok i know it is from
it just does not feel like. (from the videos and pictures )
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-14 01:02 ]
Posted by laurenke01
On 2008-02-14 02:00:38, tonchy wrote:
Edit: Ok i know it is from
it just does not feel like. (from the videos and pictures )
I know what you mean--and like I said in my edit, for people who want a "pure" SE product...that is what the P5i will be for which is personally the device I will be getting even though I was impressed by the X1.
[ This Message was edited by: laurenke01 on 2008-02-14 01:14 ]
Posted by Dogmann
@Mizzle
I would prefer it if you didn't engage with me at all but then life is never perfect is it, and i don't need your false welcome back and don't count on my farewell just yet as i was requested to come back and have no plans on leaving any time soon much to your disappointment I'm sure. Oh well at least there are still some pleasures left in life but send me a PM like the last one and we will see what happens then shall we.
As for what's better about my E90 well to start with it's here and being used now not some pipe dream over half year away and that's just to start with.
The smaller processor is less power hungry and the the extra power isn't needed as Symbian is less processor intensive then WM so also more power efficient to and my E90 has a 1500aMh Li-Polymer battery whats the X1 got then?
It may have 128 less pixels but has 16 million colours as opposed to what is it 65k. The E90 has one of the acknowledged best browsers found on any mobile devcie whilst the X1 has what PIE. Those are just the things that spring to mind and i don't need to continue against a devcie that we know so little about as the list just goes on and on. Especially as just how critical UIQ users were of WM until SE uses it and then low and behold it suddenly becomes just so great.
As for this well it's just so funny
" It's not SE's fault the device won't come out soon. It's Microsoft's fault, and it all depends on when they'll announce the OS. Which was also why didn't state Q3 / Q4, but instead did a "2nd half 2008" statement."
It's never SE's fault is it and if it is Microsoft's fault why bother announcing a devcie that wont to be around for 8-9 months and not announcing the P5 which i would imagine still runs thier own UI over Symbian first especially if it is due to launch first as well especially if it's meant to be so amazing? I just don't get why SE find it impossible to announce a devcie when it's ready to launch instead of when it's still over half a year away at least.
What's the point in announcing devcies so far ahead and the spec's announced are all very now by the time it reaches the market it's likely to have been surpassed by others a bit like what happened with the P990 yet again looks good on paper but by the time it arrives it's all old and past it. SE wasted the opportunity to announce their flagship Symbian device it's users are crying out for in favour of a competitors OS that won't launch till late this Year, jeez there marketing sucks as much as thier communication with thier users does.
Which reminds me just when can we expect the answers to the 10 questions you asked and assured us all would be answered soon as just how long ago was that now as it seems like a very long time ago now to me? In fact the 10 questions were sent 19-11-2007 which is nearly 3 months ago now, i know you have given a few explanations for the delays but any updates on if and when they are coming?
Marc
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Posted by G-Izzat
The smaller processor is less power hungry and the the extra power isn't needed as Symbian is less processor intensive then WM so also more power efficient to and my E90 has a 1500aMh Li-Polymer battery whats the X1 got then?
I think I heard the Sony Ericsson representative said that the X1 would have a 1500mAh battery.
Posted by prototype_bo
@ Dogmann
for sure, you like writing big messages. but just an advice, if you love your phone, well that's good for you. i have an e90 too, it's a good device. no in fact it is very good. but in my opinion, X1 will outrun it because of one thing: Touch screen.
i'm definitely sure, you'll agree that touch screens offer a decent degree of freedom of handling the device.
PS: your phone is good, AND the x1 is good. so understand that you can't change the hype or the affection the people have over it.
Posted by BobaFett
yeah, but nokia will have its own touch screen fone, next to it, i dont think, that nokia users would go for the xperia ( and the e - n series club is really big ) jst because of the touchscreen. if sy loves wm solution, then the one will take htc rather, then xperia, ok, some of them will give it a try, but the majority will stick to htc imo.
Posted by thecell
many WM user dissappointed coz the Camera and Sound just so-so , they want better WM PDA with better camera and Sound, and yes SE answer them now.
I think this X1 device will exclusive for SE only.
Posted by tonchy
I hope i am wrong but if the camera and sound has been handled by HTC then we will have a very bad camera and an OK sound.
This is based on the TyTNII i tried. camera is also 3MP
Again, as a
fan i hope i am wrong![ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-14 05:58 ]
Posted by mib1800
On 2008-02-14 06:55:26, tonchy wrote:
I hope i am wrong but if the camera and sound has been handled by HTC then we will have a very bad camera and an OK sound.
This is based on the TyTNII i tried. camera is also 3MP
Again, as a
fan i hope i am wrong!
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-14 05:58 ]
You hit the spot.
Posted by aznkev03
so it's the end of the wednesday here in westcoast NA, where is the announcement of the p5i?
hmm, seems like pk made a mistake!
Posted by masseur
while comparson with the rumoured P5 is natural for this thread, can we please leave discssion of its annuncement (or not) for the P5 rumour thread
Posted by islandprd
What’s with these complains who manufacture X1 for SE? It is purely business. SE or any other brands have the right to oem its design/idea to whoever who can produce it at reasonable cost. Porsche Cayenne is made by VW but tuned by Porsche. People are happily paid premium for it. What about Apple products (hardware)? Arent they also made up by various components from other manufactures?
Ultimately what counts is the brain behind the brand as what SE said is User Experience. Users be the judge!
For WM users, HTC is tempting enough, yet SE tweaks it further to combine serious business with entertainment and fun element. Notice the dedicated smiley button on X1? Top N-series doesnt even have that.
Conclusion: good wm hw manufacture combined with good trendsetter, result is X1. Hopefully the actual product is as good as the euphoria.
Posted by goldenface
I really don't understand why people are judging the X1 just because it might be manufactured or jointly developed by HTC.
If HTC wholly manufactured the X1 then whats wrong with that? Isn't that just called outsourcing?
Posted by Mizzle
Exactly, goldenface, spot on
I think it's great that HTC manufactures it, their phones are of excellent quality.
Dogmann,
Wait and see, but make sure you have your first-aid kit some place near, cause my X1 is going to "JACKIE CHAN" your E90 in terms of everything with the exception of the battery, which either way is probably not going to have any influence (
is known for excellent battery times, you know).
Posted by goldenface
On 2008-02-14 09:41:39, Mizzle wrote:
"JACKIE CHAN"
LMAO
Posted by QVGA
On 2008-02-14 09:35:53, goldenface wrote:
I really don't understand why people are judging the X1 just because it might be manufactured or jointly developed by HTC.
If HTC wholly manufactured the X1 then whats wrong with that? Isn't that just called outsourcing?
No, it just gives the feeling that SE isnt good enough to make an entire device on its own
Posted by islandprd
On 2008-02-14 10:46:05, QVGA wrote:
No, it just gives the feeling that SE isnt good enough to make an entire device on its own
No single brand can do everything by itself, too expensive and less efficient. Lets end this argument of who makes for who. This is Today! not some dark ages decades ago. Almost everyone does outsourcing nowadays. It is the essence of capitalist.
[ This Message was edited by: islandprd on 2008-02-14 09:54 ]
Posted by >500
@qvga
weren't Panasonic (matsushita) making batteries for nokia
oh and, the iphone, afaik its got many parts from other companies, ie, sony, samsung etc!
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Posted by chombos1
@QVGA
no... it just give us the idea that SE wanted to deliver a perfect device by letting it made by who that have enough experience...
against all of your thoughts... SE made the right move this time.
[ This Message was edited by: chombos1 on 2008-02-14 10:03 ]
Posted by goldenface
I can understand how people would prefer their devices to be made purely in-house but outsourcing is common to many mobile manufacturers - its simple fact.
HTC is held in high regard in the industry and any company would do well collaborating with them.
Posted by below24
It seems whenever SE come out with a new high end handset, i get my hands ready for it then somehow it tends to disappoint.
however this handset looks to tick all of the boxes, especially with the size of the handset, however not too impressed with the WM6 OS. I did like the UIQ 3.9 interface.
Well i guess i will have to wait until i get my hands on it.
I wonder which network will get their handset on it first, i hope the networks do not ruin the OS with branding.
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
Been thinking about the x1, i think it looks very nice, and if i was in the market for a win mobile phone, i would consider it. If the x1 was to be release right now, today, i would probably get it if i was in the market for a win mobile phone, but with it still quite a few months off i fear that it will be outdated already at release.
I like the design of it, i like the screen, but im not blown away at all by the rest of it. Nothing new really (the home screen thing looks cool, but depending on it implementation i think it might be a bit of pointless eye-candy.
One hope this doesnt turn into the new P990
Posted by masseur
I guess we've seen what Orange, Nokia and t-mob do with their existing WM devices, so I would expect it to be no different unless SE have some say as they did with the W800 walkman branding when it first came out
Posted by makbil
Now that we know more or less what X1 is about here's my question:
Since it seems to be more or less the equivalent of Tytn II, why wait 6-12 months for it? There will probably be a Tytn III by that time. This was just a marketing move by SE to gain some share of the US market. A clever move by the way since they didn't even build the device.
As far as I'm concerned, if I ever decide to buy a WM device I may consider the X1 along with other candidates. So until then, still waiting for what SE will offer as the P990 successor and the Nokia Symbian touch screen device to be announced.
Posted by chowchow
On 2008-02-14 10:46:05, QVGA wrote:
No, it just gives the feeling that SE isnt good enough to make an entire device on its own
Hahaha, Dont get so emotional. Have you ever heard of cost & benefit and outsourcing concepts in business???
And do you share the same sentiments for other manufacturers?????? coz:
1. Nokia uses "Carl Zeiss" & "Symbian"
2. Samsung partners with "Bang & Olufsen"
3. Certain models use "Windows Mobile"
4. And many more
I doubt there is a single phone company that manufacture its entire (software&hardware) device out of its own resources/technology.
Posted by Bhavv
The X1 looks HOW much better then the E90? Isnt it smaller too? And with a touch screen and 7.2 Mbps HSDPA while the E90 is 3.6 Mbps?
X1 > E90.
Posted by whentheleveebreaks
how long has the E90 been out for though?
Posted by Mizzle
On 2008-02-14 12:14:47, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
how long has the E90 been out for though?
Quite a while now, but some people are still saying that it's better! Maybe they've been out for quite a while, too...
Posted by Bhavv
On 2008-02-14 12:14:47, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
how long has the E90 been out for though?
I meant to reply to the people saying E90 is better then an unreleased phone which they havnt even tried yet.
I have a better idea, lets compare it to an I-phone instead O.o
No, actually dont, the I phone is toooo much better /sarcasm.