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Posted by McKinley

On 2008-10-26 23:48:01, afhum wrote:

Wow, thanks Mizzle and masseur for ur attention I actually have the W890 and I'm gonna switch to this real soon, so I'm just wondering if its really worth it cos music is the top priority for me, hehe. Is the bass as nice as the MegaBass? Um, do you think that a firmware update would provide us more features, say, the equalizer? hehehe


I can't say I like CorePlayer that much but as long as music goes it will do the job fine, however I do prefer the including SE player over this.
Shame it doesn't handle WMA files.


Posted by Dogmann
Hi Masseur,

Thanks for your response and no in the week i kept the TyTN i didn't try any cooked Rom's. I also don't like using equalizers on my devices either as these really are just trying to make up for poor quality in the hardware. The artist and recoding engineer spend plenty of time mixing the Music to sound the best it can and a decent quality recording shouldn't need boosting IMHO.

@Rodin69

Thanks for your response that's good to know as am looking at using the the on screen keyboard by using Reasco Pro Keyboard with my fingers.

Anyway have to go now as my X1 has just arrived and it's time to start exploring it, just going to put it on charge whilst i go for one of my walks of the day. Hope fully by late afternoon i will have my first reports.

Marc



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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-10-27 10:45 ]

Posted by mobman
@masseur

now that you've had the x1 for a while how would you say the internet browsing fairs against the iphone?

this could be the deciding factor for me as this is the main feature i'll be using.

still 50:50 for me...

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-10-27 10:01:41, masseur wrote:

...however, I'm like you, I wont be using the X1 for much multimedia entertainment as its 1000% superior on the iphone

Interesting...can you elaborate on that?

Posted by p9nineo

On 2008-10-27 11:09:51, joel80 wrote:

On 2008-10-27 07:21:43, p9nineo wrote:
how about my qn?
X1 has remote desktop?


Yes.. works fine.. except all icons on your desktop of your PC is squeeced in at a 800x480 space.. and remain that way after disconnecting. So you have to re-arrange them. I solved this by making a new user on my PC that I use when i connect remotly. Then i have my "own" icons with the X1.

I have also got Wake On Lan to work.. hehe.. so I can wake my PC up from my phone if I forgot to start it.

edit: You have to download a remote desktop client for it to work.. but it's free.

//Joel

[ This Message was edited by: joel80 on 2008-10-27 10:10 ]

it need a remote client to work? can the windows default remote desktop work on it?

Posted by afhum
May I highlight my previous question again? hehe

Is the bass by default as nice as the MegaBass?

Please, anyone?

Posted by Killmaster9

On 2008-10-27 13:07:19, afhum wrote:
May I highlight my previous question again? hehe

Is the bass by default as nice as the MegaBass?

Please, anyone?


No.

Posted by afhum

On 2008-10-27 13:09:54, Killmaster9 wrote:

On 2008-10-27 13:07:19, afhum wrote:
May I highlight my previous question again? hehe

Is the bass by default as nice as the MegaBass?

Please, anyone?


No.


Whoa. Oh well.. Thanks.

Posted by masseur
@mobman, I do prefer Opera over pocket IE but I'd still rather be browsing on the iPhone, mostly because of the larger screen I guess. even though there are much less pixels it just much easier on my eyes. I can read the iphone screen without my glasses but not the X1 unless I set a large font.

@WhyBe, well most of my multimedia entertainment comes from Itunes. Largely I watch video podcasts on my way to/from work that download automatically when I sync each morning. On Fridays, if I'm having a beer on the train home, which I sometimes do, then I watch a load of music videos. Again I think the better multimedia experience comes down to the viewing size of what I am watching and how easy it is on the eyes. I'm no game player, except for backgammon and chess, so I don't need fast moving graphics and so I make no comparison there.

Posted by WhyBe
Oh, OK. I thought maybe you were refering to the quality of the media software or included format support.

Posted by masseur
no, nothing so technical. just the end result enjoyment level I feel from watching the screen for 45 minutes at a time

as I make my own music videos from DVD's I have, I can choose the quality I want myself anyway, though that also depends on the device capabilities.

I use DVD Catalyst and for the iphone and for WM devices it has preset values which work very well for me

the video podcasts are almost always excellent. The only one I watch with lesser quality is the one that Steve Litchfield does for his phones show, but they're recorded on phones such as N93 so I wouldn't neccessarily expect them to be top quality that Cnet and others can produce

Posted by anonymuser
I've no experience of the X1, and have only had my Iphone for a few days, but certainly the multimedia experience on the Iphone is many, many leagues ahead of anything my old WM-powered Tytn II was capable of. The screen seems to be the perfect balance of size, ratio, colour and pixel density - and of course it's 100% glass capacative, so you're not peering through layers of plastic on a resistive touchscreen.

I'm not much of a gamer either but I do like a good flight sim, so I've installed X-Plane 9 on the Iphone and it's nothing short of amazing. Effortless 3D graphics, very immersive with the accelermotor used for the controls (the whole phone becomes your stick, tilt it forward to go into a dive, pulll back to pull back, etc). It's very hard to believe that anything based on WM can match it, to be honest, certainly nothing I've seen.

Posted by AbuBasim

On 2008-10-27 13:32:01, masseur wrote:
The only one I watch with lesser quality is the one that Steve Litchfield does for his phones show, but they're recorded on phones such as N93 so I wouldn't neccessarily expect them to be top quality that Cnet and others can produce

If Steve reads this, he will block the IP address you're coming from.

Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,

Well OK so i have no had my X1 for a few hours and here are my thoughts so far.

Build quality really is excellent great materials and tactile feel the other thing is the X1 is small no i mean really small it's about the same size as a Nokia N73. Now the screen although 3" wide is really not very high when in Landscape mode and that's how i am using it the majority of the time. If i am honest it feels and seems much smaller than the E90's and although slightly longer than the Bolds not as deep. But it really is bright crisp and clear although i always leave my screens on full settings and don't worry about the hit on battery.

The first thin i have tested is an Episode of Dexter and the Simpsons both converted to 800x480 MP4 and they look great with good sound via the headphones. I also transferred Dare by the Gorillaz to the memory an this also sound good although i find i need to listen at nearly full volume so it could be louder perhaps.

Now that it has performed so well in these two fields i will continue to load the additional software, sync it with Outlook and set up my WiFi but not till later as i need to sleep now.

But so far so good and i would have to say without a doubt so far this is easily the best SE smartphone i have used.


Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-10-27 13:46 ]

Posted by SE-Naz
Cheers for the update...

Also keen to know what you think of the speed of the handset???

Cheers
ENJOY

Posted by mobman
thanks marc, cant wait for your review as i am expecting you to give it a through exam!

hopefully if you havent already gone to sleep you could let us know how much voda branding there is? i'm getting tired of waiting for o2...

Posted by masseur
I'm glad someone else noticed the volume issue as playback really does seem quite a bit quieter than on my previous WM's

Posted by Dogmann
Hi Mobman

Voda branding really is just one panel and small VodaFone badge on the back of the handset but even that's Back and not red so looks good and not out of place.

@SE_Naz

As i said i wanted to see if it worked for my Music and Video before spending lots of time on it, but I've customised some shortcuts on the panels and as mentioned by others besides opening the panels which has a short delay as it updates from the static shortcut there really is no lag anywhere that i have seen yet.

Really have to sleep now though as med's and my walk have tired me out and I'm still recovering from major back surgery will explore and report more once i wake up.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-10-27 17:33 ]

Posted by Turboguard
Is there really just 8 panels out there for download?

That's stupid!

I want more!

Like Facebook and Youtube.

Posted by SE-Naz
@Dogmann

Thanks for that and soz... will wait for more feedback later...

Cheers
ENJOY

Posted by mobman
Quote:

On 2008-10-27 14:53:14, Turboguard wrote:
Is there really just 8 panels out there for download?

That's stupid!

I want more!

Like Facebook and Youtube.




i'd assume that more panels will become available once more people have the phone? just give it time!

Posted by masseur
@Turboguard, its early days yet

there's actually 11 panels available that I have found. 7 that come in the phone and 4 on the SE fun site for download

Posted by s32bauer
Finally been contacted by Carphone Warehouse to advise it's in-stock and being sent out for delivery tomorrow for me. 18 month contract, free handset, 1200 minutes, 1000 texts and unlimited internet. They have given me a tracking number which starts TCM and followed by five digits. Does this match the format of anyone else who ordered from CPW? Seems very short compared to tracking numbers from other companies.

Posted by masseur
yep, thats city link and is the same format I had

it will start tracking later tonight when the parcel gets collected, for me on Friday it didn't show until just after 21:00

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Posted by joel80

On 2008-10-27 13:04:31, p9nineo wrote:
it need a remote client to work? can the windows default remote desktop work on it?


Yes.. Windows Mobile 6.1 doesn't have a Remote Desktop Client from start. Just search for windows mobile remote desktop or something like that on google and you'll find a client to install on your phone.



Posted by bloob
What software can I use to convert DVDs to be playable on the X1? Any recommendations, free or commercial?



Posted by masseur
I use DVD Catalyst as it does an excellent job

Posted by kev.morris
hi all,

Its been a long time since i have been on this board, the last SE phone i had was a P800, since then ive had various HTC phones. Anyway onto the question, does anyone know if/when orange are going to get th x1?

Posted by SE-Naz
Not to sure about Orange Direct... However Carphone Warehouse are selling them on a Orange contract... You could try them... Also if you purchase from them it is likely to be SIMFREE too.

Cheers
ENJOY

Posted by molecule
anyone bought a contract free phone or know the price of one?

Posted by bloob

On 2008-10-27 17:15:12, masseur wrote:
I use DVD Catalyst as it does an excellent job



Thanks masseur. I'll check it out.

Posted by celinelust
So, anyone knows when the phone is going to be available in the UAE, dubai ?
I want to grab it before going back to the US so I can record videos at 30fps.
And also if you are nice enough to recommend some stores and prices feel free to do so.

Posted by lakeside01
does anyone know if clove uk are a reliable online store..they happen to have em in stock although it seems like their first batch already got sold out, but they said they'll have em up again on wednesday

Posted by mattiL

On 2008-10-26 16:25:40, masseur wrote:

On 2008-10-26 16:08:02, mattiL wrote:
Any chance of a picture of X1 running tomtom ? (and/or garmin)


sure, always happy to please. These are random London shots as I don't really want to show where I live

btw, I really do prefer the Garmin interface and only use Garmin dedicated GPS' too

Garmin XT

TomTom 7




Thank's for the pictures, but I'm with Xperia now (silver, same FW version as yours). So time to experiment!

Where is letter recogniser/transcriber ?? (swedish model X1)

Posted by mattiL

On 2008-10-27 07:21:43, p9nineo wrote:
how about my qn?
X1 has remote desktop?


No.
But it can easily be downloaded and installed.

Posted by mobman

On 2008-10-27 17:21:10, kev.morris wrote:
hi all,

Its been a long time since i have been on this board, the last SE phone i had was a P800, since then ive had various HTC phones. Anyway onto the question, does anyone know if/when orange are going to get th x1?


Not sure how reliable this info is (it came from a orange store assistant!) but they are hoping(!) to get it in mid november and THEN start testing it! The girl said orange were hoping to release it before xmas...

[ This Message was edited by: mobman on 2008-10-27 18:15 ]

Posted by willo
Just spoken to CPW, they have offered to match O2's current price of £99.99 handset on an 18 month £35.00 per month contract, including unlimited mobile web browsing.

I'm very, very tempted - seeing as I'm already with CPW and O2 still have no stock!

I find CPW's handset insurance is a bit expensive compared to O2. Plus CPW only have a quarterly payment for this, as opposed to monthly for O2. The chap I spoke to at CPW said I could take the handset insurance from O2 directly, instead of going through CPW. Has anyone ever heard of/done this?

Thanks
Dave

Posted by mattiL
Time to start a bugs topic ?

1. Bluetooth turns off by itself, happened twice now in one day. I use it to connect to my car (Audi) and my headset HBH-IV835.

2. Letter recogniser/transcriber missing in the swedish version.

Posted by Astral1
I have my X1 too!

WOW!

This is a stunning looking piece of kit! The screen is irresistable.
I just keep picking it up to feel the solid metal.

Now all ive got to do is figure out how to make it work.

Posted by pmcg

2. Letter recogniser/transcriber missing in the swedish version.


Found this on page 20 of the English manual.



[ This Message was edited by: pmcg on 2008-10-27 19:14 ]

Posted by Rodin69

On 2008-10-27 19:20:20, mattiL wrote:
Time to start a bugs topic ?

1. Bluetooth turns off by itself, happened twice now in one day. I use it to connect to my car (Audi) and my headset HBH-IV835.

2. Letter recogniser/transcriber missing in the swedish version.


1. Yes, I have noticed that bluetooth doesn't seem to be very stable. It also often takes a very long time to find other bluetooth devices.

2. Yes, it's missing. Unfortunately I think it's meant to be missing.

And for that bug list. I have written down about 20 topics that could be better. But only a few of them are real bugs as I see it.

What I don't like is that I can't see the exact time for SMSes that are older than one day as long as I have the chat-view on.

If you want I can send the complete list to you. It is in swedish, but that would probably be no problems for you.



Posted by i-Citizen

On 2008-10-27 16:46:28, masseur wrote:
yep, thats city link and is the same format I had

it will start tracking later tonight when the parcel gets collected, for me on Friday it didn't show until just after 21:00



hey guys my first i believe, basically my courier is city link as well and it begins with TCM but it keeps saying does not exist?

do i have to wait after 21.00 as well for it to be able to track the order? please advice thanks

[ This Message was edited by: i-Citizen on 2008-10-27 20:06 ]

Posted by masseur
its pretty much as I said... it will start tracking once the parcel is collected by city link. its could be any time from now I guess, just have patience

Posted by Tigershark42
Here's a question for all you owners: now that you have your X1, would you say that the product justifies the price you paid for it? Or, given the choice, would you have gone for something cheaper (e.g. the touch diamond)? I suppose this doesn't apply if you got it on contract, but for those who didnt, anyway.

Posted by i-Citizen

On 2008-10-27 21:10:54, masseur wrote:
its pretty much as I said... it will start tracking once the parcel is collected by city link. its could be any time from now I guess, just have patience



right cool, thats the thing im never patient, i just bought an n96 two weeks ago for 450 pounds what a dissappointment, now i want a change

ive never had a win mobile phone before. quick question how would i update the software of the phone i think its what u call ROM, my x1 will be unbranded and unlocked so no operator software will be needed when updating so would a direct update from sony erricson website do? and how easy is it to update and do things go wrong and ure phone turn into a brick?

for those who have the black one does it not look like two phones been stuck together with the black screen and silver keyboard contrast?

sorry for so many questions but ive never had a win mo phone before so quite scary

Posted by masseur
windows mobile phones are usually updated by a single executable that you download from the support site. I expect SE will provide these direct from the X1 support pages.

its dead easy to do it, just run the program you downloaded and it prompts you for everything. I've been updating WM phones, and pocket pc device before that using the same method, and never bricked on yet

if you start using customised firmware (as found on xda developers site), you might have issues but these days they take great care and do alot of testing

Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,

Well it's been a while with the X1 now and i must say it really is a very good device indeed and one of the best from SE for quite a while IMO.

I do have quite a few things I'm just not very happy with the first being that the volume on the Music player is not really loud enough as although it's OK inside I'm not sure what it will be like when out and about.

The second thing is even though i have selected the largest fonts size available it is still quite small.

The device on the whole reacts very well and really it is only the panels that have a slight delay whilst they refresh which brings me to what i think is my first bug. Although i have changed what the left and right button shortcuts activate and they do what i have assigned to them. They still show what they were originally assigned to in the panel and have not and appear will not change to show what they should be anyone else seen this?

My last problem i would appreciate some advice on as i am running Vista i no longer need Active Sync but have to use Windows Mobile Device Centre and it works very well for Syncing my Calender and Contacts and would also sync my E-Mail, Music, Videos, Pictures and files if i wanted it to. But i can't see any way of moving my downloaded apps to my device any suggestions would be welcome.

As much as i am impressed with the build quality and stability of the X1 I'm really not sure if it's the right device for me or not. That is not saying there is anything wrong with it as nothing could be further from the truth just that i don't like the font size and am slightly concerned by the lack of Volume in the Music player although the quality of sound is very good indeed. Well i am going to give it a few more days before i reach my final decision and see if i can find a way to install apps easily or not.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-10-27 22:32 ]

Posted by ofiaich
Hi masseur,

I am wondering about this and yes, I need to research more.

its dead easy to do it, just run the program you downloaded and it prompts you for everything. I've been updating WM phones, and pocket pc device before that using the same method, and never bricked on yet


I guess this is tHe same for the X1! For my TyTn II, I downloaded

RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship.exe

but never bother to install it. I can see the pdf with it that says what the improvements are.

So I guess, I make a back up of my programs on the TyTn II using Sprite,

then run this executable from HTC, with my TyTn II plugged in to the USB cable, and then sit back.

I wonder then if I restore using Sprite, whether it will put back Exchange server, address book, tom tom etc.

Basically, is this correct?

Ofiaich




Posted by Jah
@Dogmann

there seem to be 2 volume controls. The phone volume and the media player volume; the phone volume seems to amplify the media player volume.

PS - my black X1 is better build quality then my silver which a slight squeak on the back lower half. So hopefully I can return the silver in exchnage for a G1

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-10-27 23:28:43, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
IMO.

I do have quite a few things I'm just not very happy with the first being that the volume on the Music player is not really loud enough as although it's OK inside I'm not sure what it will be like when out and about.



Try Jah's suggestion (make sure both volume sliders are turned up fully).

However this may be an SE thing. A while ago, when music phones first started (around about the K700 era I think), Music phones got some bad press in Europe for having loud volume that could damage hearing, especially of young people whose hearing could be permanently damaged. Ever since they've had this policy of making sure the volume can't accidently do permanent damage to people's hearing.

The old "protect people from themselves" malarky. It really irritates me that they pander to this sort of thinking. Some other phone oem's have similiar policies but SE seem to be more sensitive than most about it.

It's equally irritating that people think it's okay to sue an OEM for damaging their hearing when it was they themselves (not the OEM) who turned the volume up too loud. It should be a person's choice. Besides I think SE could raise the volume just a little and still be within reasonable safe limits.

So I'm wondering if SE have put this volume limit as part of their usually policy of restricting the upper volume to "safe" levels?

It's disappointing. I usually find the volume level okay, but occasionally in a noisy environment, even with the excellent sound isolation of the HPM70 ear buds, the volume is not quite strong enough.


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