Posted by my ninja
tuboguard is right,
the phone is ugly, no 2 ways about it, however with he and i we seem to be in the eXtreme minority, however that doesnt mean you can question our humanity because of it, its a stylistic difference whose language i feel is implemented horrifically.
nice screen though (pxl count + size, not colors ...)
anyway i want a HIGH (nose bleed status) end SE device, THIS is not it.
i think that SE has something to take on the N96, but unfortunately we have to wait for that, whenever UIQ announces their hot ticket item UIQ 4, i feel well see some devices intro'd with that.
xperia should NOT have that clunky mess of plastic at the bottom for buttons, it seems as though the bottom of the phone got lost somewhere between function and aesthetics and tripped over a landmine.
its just an ugly peice of tech. the lines throughout the body are implemented chaotically. it needs to go back and finish cooking.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2008-02-11 22:20 ]
Posted by not_me
people keep on making fun of
,
first because the x1 apparently isn't made by them, remember engadgetmobile's header :
"No wonder Sony Ericsson's XPERIA X1 is so good: HTC makes it"
Second they have a product manager who has apparently no idea what he is talking about
and third it's getting a bit too obvious that the software and probably the only thing that se made themselves isn't ready or/and completly buggy.
Posted by hansen
From SE "GPS and AGPS white paper" located at http://developer.sonyericsson[....]obal/docstools/misc/p_misc.jsp
"The idea behind Assisted GPS is to decrease the start-up times so that it does not take longer than a warm start, even if the receiver has not been on during the last couple of hours. To achieve this, resources other than the GPS satellites help the GPS receiver to gain the information needed to find the satellite signals and to calculate its position.
In addition to GPS satellites and GPS receivers, the receiver in an A-GPS network communicates with an assistance server. Since the A-GPS receiver and the assistance server share tasks, and the assistance server has high processing power and access to a reference network, the process is quicker and more efficient than regular GPS."
Posted by abinge05
On 2008-02-11 23:20:25, not_me wrote:
people keep on making fun of
,
first because the x1 apparently isn't made by them, remember engadgetmobile's header :
"No wonder Sony Ericsson's XPERIA X1 is so good: HTC makes it"
Second they have a product manager who has apparently no idea what he is talking about
and third it's getting a bit too obvious that the software and probably the only thing that se made themselves isn't ready or/and completly buggy.
As for the people who say SE's devices aren't high end enough, complaining that it only competes with the N96, are you kidding me? What else do you want in a CELL PHONE? And by the way, the people who are saying these things obviously cannot read because it has been said multiple times that the Pnext may be announced within a few days, but I guess that won't be high end enough for you either.
[ This Message was edited by: abinge05 on 2008-02-11 22:51 ]
Posted by jack00
the only thing thats bugging me with this device, is windows and the low amount of internal memory
rest is perfectly fine
Posted by abinge05
On 2008-02-11 22:46:21, Turboguard wrote:
I seriously don't understand why all the new SE never feels up to date.
It's so stupid. Can't they just make a good phone. Let's say X1 for example.
The design, it's so ugly, and why add a bunch of shit that is just useless like those buttons on the front. Why not have them in the screen, as thouch. And the keyboard, yeah, it's handy but it could have been optimized for it's size.
The outlay is awfull. The OS is ugly.
It feels like something SE could have made around the the time they released the k800.
I'm seriously dissapointed and I hope they really have some mayor news that will blow this world with the P5.
Posted by tesssst
On 2008-02-11 22:54:17, sdsviet wrote:
On 2008-02-11 22:30:44, bavlondon2 wrote:
Look at this tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOW_pyzcH9g
what kind of product manager is this. he doesnt even know squat about the product.
[ This Message was edited by: sdsviet on 2008-02-11 21:56 ]
yeah and look at his face when they ask him the questions...
"Uhh what? camera?"
P.s. the guy asked him 5 times about the RAM and he was still talking about the built in memory
[ This Message was edited by: tesssst on 2008-02-11 23:12 ]
Posted by PeterKay
Those who asked about the stylus, i said when it was announced that it will have a stylus even though it is not in the spec list on page 1.
This Video confirms the stylus on the X1, tells you alot more about the device and the screen resolutions, battery, 3.5mm jack etc.
Posted by Bhavv
I just emailed T-mobile to add Wifi onto my account and I get it free now included in my half price web'n'walk Max plan XD
£28.75 - 900 mins or 1800 texts, 10 gig HSDPA, and WIFI!!!!!
Now I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED This phone!!!!
*Starts saving*
Posted by _vAmpiRe_
On 2008-02-12 00:09:15, PeterKay wrote:
Those who asked about the stylus, i said when it was announced that it will have a stylus even though it is not in the spec list on page 1.
This Video confirms the stylus on the X1, tells you alot more about the device and the screen resolutions, battery, 3.5mm jack etc.
Thanx PK.... You're the best
Posted by Drasko
Ha, in the vid PK just posted the guy sais the device has an "orientation key" to change between lanscape and normal mode. You can see him pointing at the side of the device. (an odd placment IMO)
I guess that means no automatic flips?
Posted by Bhavv
The problem is I just upgraded my PC to an Intel E8400, and now I'll need to save for either this phone, or a new £250+ graphics card.
First I wanted the graphics card, now I want this phone, but I wont be able to afford both
*Waaaah waaaah sob sob*
Posted by G-Izzat
Two of the 9 interactive panels on the X1.
http://semcblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/xperia-x1-2/
Posted by mobse
On 2008-02-12 00:26:45, Drasko wrote:
Ha, in the vid PK just posted the guy sais the device has an "orientation key" to change between lanscape and normal mode. You can see him pointing at the side of the device. (an odd placment IMO)
I guess that means no automatic flips?
Apparently. A strange move, seeing that the automatic rotation works seemlessly on other
devices. I don't think we misunderstood anything.
Posted by Lemmin
Looking at the videos, its interesting what they DON'T show. They all show the 9 panels, and they often click (touch) on the windows panel, but they don't show any of the other panels. I'm guessing that right now the other panels are just rendered images of what might be - the various apps that might run there. Seems this device is very much still a work in progress - I think they will definately need 6 months to get this to market. Its one thing showing the hardware working, but quite another to get the software stable (as all us P990 owners know :S)
I also find it odd how a lot of people say they are choosing the qualcomm snapdragon, when SE have just announced their own chip platform - it seems very odd. I can't see why they are doing it - maybe its just wishfull thinking on the part of qualcomm supporters? Do qualcomm actually have anyone using their chips?
After looking at a lot of info, the X1 seems like a fairly unfinished product
The hardware may be pretty much finished, but the reluctance of SE to let anyone play with it indicates to me that its just pre-rendered screens on top of WM6, running on pretty standard hardware, even if it is in a sexy case. I hope the (possible) Pari5 is in a more finished state...
LEM
Posted by Chefrmn
So y do they have 65,536 colors screen , atleast they can make it 26,200 colors
Posted by tonchy
@Chefrmn
please READ the thread before just posting questions that have already been answered!!!
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=164743&start=390
@ALL
IMHO X1 is a nice phone period. It is absolutely not at all what i would consider a high end device specially taking into account the time frame in which it will be deliver. Can someone tell me what break thru or cutting edge feature does this phone really have?
If you look at the specs there are already a few devices NOW in the market with similar or in some cases even better specs so imagine what would be on the market by the time this device hits the shelves. Please ppl let's not be blind.
I believe HTC played a major role in this phone (not just a subcontractor like some people mentioned earlier) if the phone had been
designed by SE it would definately have had FastPort and M2 support which are
signatures don't you think?
please have a look at the specs of the at&t tilt or TyTNii from htc and you will better understand my post.
the only credit to SE on this device is that by entering the WinMo arena they will hopefully increase their market share.
I really hope Paris makes up for this
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-12 04:13 ]
Posted by korbindallis
i think i am XPERIA'ed
thanks now we all are just waiting for
P
Posted by Zzzyzx
How will the 65k colours affect the quality of graphics in Xperia? That's the only concern I have on this phone right now.
Overall, the design is great.
Posted by mode
and third it's getting a bit too obvious that the software and probably the only thing that se made themselves isn't ready or/and completly buggy.
How can the system be buggy when it is not even up. It's just a front, only good enough for the announcement, that's why no one can touch it, since it is at least 9 months from completion. You are human alright, just not too bright, criticising what's not even there to begin with
Posted by tonchy
more screenshots from the panels courtesy of mizzle
http://blog.se-nse.net/2008/02/12/a-look-at-xperia/
[ This Message was edited by: tonchy on 2008-02-12 05:39 ]
Posted by Tenten
Hi guys.
Are there any good examples of those type of sliders that actually succeeded in the market. I can't recall any.
Maybe this one could be it?
It's not a "WOW" though.. frankly speaking.
Posted by rafithemsngr
does any information about its processor
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-12 06:47:57, Tenten wrote:
Hi guys.
Are there any good examples of those type of sliders that actually succeeded in the market. I can't recall any.
The HTC Wizard, HTC Magician (both sold under various other names), HTC Tytn, HTC Tytn II... all WinMo phones with a similar form factor, and all very successful (out in the non-SE world).
Maybe this one could be it?
It's not a "WOW" though.. frankly speaking.
It's not a "WOW" though.. frankly speaking.
If you compare the size of this with any of those other phones I've mentioned, then you can see the WOW immediately. It's a very good size for a full Windows Mobile Professional device with keyboard. On top of that you've got a very high quality screen, and a promise of high performance on video etc - making it a class-leading device. If they get this out in the middle of next quarter, it will be *the* Windows phone to have, I reckon.
By the way, people are trying to make some issue out of the memory size on this phone - make no mistake, 128mb operating memory is ample for a WM6 phone. Of course you could have more, at the expense of battery life, but it would serve very little purpose. The Tytn II has 128mb (it's one of the first WM6 handsets to go over 64mb) and you won't find anyone complaining about that - it's more than enough to run anything you like with no problems whatsoever. The 512mb flash memory is also perfectly ample - twice that of the Tytn II, and more than enough to install all the apps you're likely to want. Anything else you'll put on microSD - why wouldn't you? By the time this comes out, a 16gb card will be cheap as chips - this isn't memory stick prices remember - so you'll have all the storage you need on that. I wouldn't be surprised if they bundled a reasonable size card, but I don't think anyone needs to be too upset if they don't.
Posted by t0t0_b0y
I think if X1 was a dual slider phone (slide up to reveal the numeric keypad, slide to the right to reveal the arc keyboard) that would have been more interesting.. Agree, anyone?
Posted by RandomCarpet
nope, that would have made the device too fragile (easy to break) IMO.
Posted by prototype_bo
i'm regaining my faith in SE.
no one can deny that lately (last 3 months), things weren't going as the fans aspire them to be. i, among many others, just stated the level of frustration because we needed new better models.
X1, is my next phone.
the main competitor is the e90. and why does the X1 outrun it? because touch screen offers a good degree of control freedom. something that the e90 lacks.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
Well if anyone wants to see how the X1 Screen will look go check out a Toshiba Portege G90O that you will find has the same screen and processor by the looks of it.
"The Toshiba G900 Pocket PC is a tri-band 3G enabled PDA with a full keyboard, powerful 520Mhz processor and a stunning, high resolution 3" WVGA display. The quality of the 3 inch wide screen is simply breathtaking and gives you the best available mobile Internet experience"
and also has
" Main display dimensions (diagonal inches) 3.0"
• Main display resolution (X x Y pixels) 800 x 480"
So the X1 isn't anything really new other than the changed slider for the keyboard and this 9 Panels interface for shortcuts all the rest of the tech is alreday there in WM Devices and Toshiba have two new follow up models due for release as well. The Windows Mobile devcie market is crowded with manufacturers and devcies.
Personally i would rather of seen SE dump the Nexperia chip and get UIQ right especially as they bought UIQ just a year ago even though they've now sold half to Motorola. SE is UIQ and was what made it unique was it was the only touchscreen Symbian OS to date. Who knows maybe tomorrow SE will suprise and announce a fully specified UIQ version but supporting your direct competition seems a strange thing to do IMO.
Marc
Posted by mode
On 2008-02-12 09:02:38, Dogmann wrote:
So the X1 isn't anything really new other than the changed slider for the keyboard and this 9 Panels interface for shortcuts all the rest of the tech is alreday there in WM Devices and Toshiba have two new follow up models due for release as well. The Windows Mobile devcie market is crowded with manufacturers and devcies.
Personally i would rather of seen SE dump the Nexperia chip and get UIQ right especially as they bought UIQ just a year ago even though they've now sold half to Motorola. SE is UIQ and was what made it unique was it was the only touchscreen Symbian OS to date. Who knows maybe tomorrow SE will suprise and announce a fully specified UIQ version but supporting your direct competition seems a strange thing to do IMO.
Marc
Don't forget, HSUPA is also making its debut with X1, so "nothing new" isn't exactly accurate, and I'm sure their not giving away the other stuff up their sleeve since it is at least 9 months away from completion. Hopefuly it is released before it becomes obsolete since this is their make or break in the smartphone game IMO. I agree that they should've kept on developing UIQ but I guess it is a purely strategic decision as I don't think it makes sense either. Perhaps they truly wanted the X1 to be a breath of fresh air rather than be stuck again with an underdeveloped platform and ruin the whole experience, perhaps it would be implemented in the next Xperia models or even X1 itself when and if they have perfected the next UIQ version. I don't think they are optimistic in getting a fully functional and bugless UIQ platform by the end of the last quarter, and time is of the essence for SE as we speak.
Posted by chombos1
i highly doubt that SE will launch a Pnext model tomorrow...
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-02-12 09:02:38, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all
Well if anyone wants to see how the X1 Screen will look go check out a Toshiba Portege G900 that you will find has the same screen and processor by the looks of it.
Nice try, but compare the size of these devices - the X1:
Size: 110 x 53 x 16.7 mm
Weight: 145 grams
And the Toshiba:
Size: 119 x 61 x 21.5 mm
Weight: 196 grams
In short, the Toshiba is a MASSIVE and frankly quite ugly brick compared to the SE - there's no competition there.
Personally i would rather of seen SE dump the Nexperia chip and get UIQ right especially as they bought UIQ just a year ago even though they've now sold half to Motorola. SE is UIQ and was what made it unique was it was the only touchscreen Symbian OS to date.
They're using UIQ in lower end devices now (G series), and they will be announcing a new P series tomorrow. I won't be buying it, but SE will still be getting my money
Who knows maybe tomorrow SE will suprise and announce a fully specified UIQ version but supporting your direct competition seems a strange thing to do IMO.
It's a very sensible move - they're bringing some quality and style to the Winmo market that they can take a lead on, and at the same time Winmo gives them a level of compatibility and OS acceptance that they know UIQ has long since lost. UIQ can still be a good, funky, consumer UI - but WM is best for business, both now and in the future. SE are just being realistic - no variant of Symbian is going to threaten WM in its proven markets now - sad but true.
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Posted by prototype_bo
just a question.
what is the difference between GPS and aGPS ??
does the X1 have a GPS hardware module embedded inside? does it work normally like any other GPS nav device?
thanks for your reply ( in advance )
Posted by Dogmann
@Mode
I don't know but did you miss the bit where i said that Toshiba alreday have two follow up models in the pipeline, sorry i am not into WM but i would be surprised if they don't have HUSPA and if expected release is 9 months that's a life time in Mobile technology. Even Nokia's Touch UI should be with us by then and who knows what that will bring. The thing with SE is when they announce something it is top spec but by the time they release it, it always seems to have been surpassed now a days it never used to be that way but is now. Also do any Networks even support HSUPA yet?
Marc
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Posted by Nanu
What bugs me is when asked if it is normal for
to announce so long before release 's answer was in the case of the X1 it is to allow developers enough time to develop app's before it's release, so does that mean they have redesigned WM6 so much it won't run the thousands of app's out there or do think WM is a new technology all together or do the apps need tweaking to run in the 9 panels?? 
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
On 2008-02-12 09:45:56, prototype_bo wrote:
just a question.
what is the difference between GPS and aGPS ??
does the X1 have a GPS hardware module embedded inside? does it work normally like any other GPS nav device?
thanks for your reply ( in advance )
aGPS is real GPS, but it also relies on other available sources of information to help speed itself up and decrease start up and loading times. It still uses satellites, etc as usual, as well. There are better explanations around somewhere, I read them earlier today.
Posted by tonchy
On 2008-02-12 09:28:49, chombos1 wrote:
i highly doubt that SE will launch a Pnext model tomorrow...
launch will happen on wednesday paris and beibei right?
Posted by hansen
@ prototype bo
See my post about agps three pages back in this thread.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
We're hoping. People have confirmed it, but I don't know whether or not to trust them! I wouldn't want to be disappointed!
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
@prototype_bo:
On 2008-02-11 23:27:05, hansen wrote:
From SE "GPS and AGPS white paper" located at http://developer.sonyericsson[....]obal/docstools/misc/p_misc.jsp
"The idea behind Assisted GPS is to decrease the start-up times so that it does not take longer than a warm start, even if the receiver has not been on during the last couple of hours. To achieve this, resources other than the GPS satellites help the GPS receiver to gain the information needed to find the satellite signals and to calculate its position.
In addition to GPS satellites and GPS receivers, the receiver in an A-GPS network communicates with an assistance server. Since the A-GPS receiver and the assistance server share tasks, and the assistance server has high processing power and access to a reference network, the process is quicker and more efficient than regular GPS."
Posted by hansen
Yeah, that's the way. Sorry for not quoting that post for you.
Posted by chombos1
yes if there would be any announcments on wednesday.. . then paris and beibei
but is there any announcments????
Posted by rene
I got to say that the phone looks great, and it's exactly what i have been looking for
BUT!
Windows mobile is something that i DON'T want into my phone... I hope that it would be possible to install an alternative OS (like linux
) into this cool device, and that you could develop own apps into it!
Posted by btt
X1 looks great but it is still a phone. Why aren't there any pics of the dialpad where you use the basic phone features. Also, how do you access the dialpad to enter a phone number.
HTC's Tytn II wasn't very good at this. Way to complicated to make a phone call. I hope SE keep the basic phone features easily accessible.
Posted by not_me
On 2008-02-12 05:45:59, mode wrote:
How can the system be buggy when it is not even up. It's just a front, only good enough for the announcement, that's why no one can touch it, since it is at least 9 months from completion. You are human alright, just not too bright, criticising what's not even there to begin with
It's funny that you're are speaking of not too bright humans, when you didn't even understood what I wrote in first place.
To start with I didn't criticise anything, but just listed what others have been saying, that is why I started with "people ..." instead of "I".
Than you say that the "system" isn't buggy and I should have rather said that it isn't completed yet ["it is at least 9 months from completion"], which makes me wonder wether you even read my post, because I did wrote about the interface "(it) isn't ready or/and completly buggy", and you do know the meaning of the word "or", do you ? You usually use it if you are not sure about two possibilities !
And just one question I'm curious about, so you think that it was a good idea to introduce a product which isn't working the way it should be, during the presentation [I mean they are talking about xperia being the xperience of a unique and simple user interface, but yet can show us only a few screens and we are just left to blindly believe in their promises] and than it takes
another 9 months or so to actually deliver what they promise in first place ?
IMO that's a way to long, if it really takes 9 months to release of the X1 or a stable interface version.
Posted by prototype_bo
@ Mohammad-Oli & Hansen
thanks mates.
although i'm very pleased with the e90, but X1 will do so better because of mainly one thing: touch screen offers a good degree of freedom in operating the device.
Posted by PeterKay
Beautiful interface.
Posted by chombos1
wow!!!
nice!!!
very nice!!!!
great!
heheehehe.
hey PK...
i want a miniPK review from you!!!:D
Posted by PeterKay
so do another 100 people, a lot of PM requests!!!
Answer is not possible just yet.
Posted by jakontil
does it use flushed type screen? or just ordinary softtouch screen?
Posted by sudsnz
@PeterKay
Hey thanks for all the insight and all the pics. Hopefully hear something about new P device tomorrow.
Have also heard rumors about this being announced in May.....I guess a day's wait will answer the question.