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Posted by skruttet

On 2008-10-20 19:53:46, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-10-19 23:12:19, pinguino2 wrote:

On 2008-10-19 11:58:50, skruttet wrote:
Do the X1 support Sim Access Profile? Otherwise it's no good in my car with my HF kit installed.

(My current Tytn II support that...)


Hi skruttet,
Pardon my ignorance about what exactly is SIM Access Profile. My son has a kit in his car, and your question created my interest. I looked at the specs and they say that it supports any Device with 1.1 bluetooth and any one of the profiles of the Xperia Bluetooth.

Doesn't that mean that the HF kit is the one that needs to be comparable with the Xperia?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[....]ccess_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.29


Thanks for the information. I am still very unsure if this phone supports this or not ! Anybody?


Posted by Skrue

all i can say: "wow"
nice built...good quality used and very fast OS, faster than my touch pro..


Posted by mattiL

On 2008-10-19 14:10:13, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-10-19 11:58:50, skruttet wrote:
Do the X1 support Sim Access Profile? Otherwise it's no good in my car with my HF kit installed.

(My current Tytn II support that...)



I think not. See page 31.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/323[....]PERIA-X1-White-Paper-Release-3


@skruttet

You missed my reference to the X1 White Paper ?

Posted by S4k1s

So the hardware (made by HTC) was good but not the software (written by Microsoft and Sony Ericsson)?


HW made by assembled by HTC, I belive...

Posted by Dups!

On 2008-10-20 19:22:11, tobias84 wrote:

On 2008-10-18 18:57:34, Mizzle wrote:
Here's some XPERIA HDR loving for ya




one of the best pics i ever seen on xperia.



Ooooooooooooh! Now, that is beautiful!

The silver is absolutely stunning! Pity, I can't stand WM.

Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-20 19:53:46, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-10-19 23:12:19, pinguino2 wrote:

On 2008-10-19 11:58:50, skruttet wrote:
Do the X1 support Sim Access Profile? Otherwise it's no good in my car with my HF kit installed.

(My current Tytn II support that...)


Hi skruttet,
Pardon my ignorance about what exactly is SIM Access Profile. My son has a kit in his car, and your question created my interest. I looked at the specs and they say that it supports any Device with 1.1 bluetooth and any one of the profiles of the Xperia Bluetooth.

Doesn't that mean that the HF kit is the one that needs to be comparable with the Xperia?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[....]ccess_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.29


Thank you MattiL,
Perfect link. It's very clear for me know.

Posted by skruttet

On 2008-10-20 21:06:43, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-10-19 14:10:13, mattiL wrote:

On 2008-10-19 11:58:50, skruttet wrote:
Do the X1 support Sim Access Profile? Otherwise it's no good in my car with my HF kit installed.

(My current Tytn II support that...)



I think not. See page 31.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/323[....]PERIA-X1-White-Paper-Release-3


@skruttet

You missed my reference to the X1 White Paper ?


Yep.. I did.. f-ck! This looked like a good phone, well better wait for a SE phone with an even better "stack"!


Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-20 09:18:11, Psycho Dave wrote:

Where does it say how to modify so it is the default browser for any app that uses a browser?

Thanks for noticing. I stand corrected. It's only for Google.
I got confused reading the words all instances. in WMpowerusers.com :

..." simply need to edit the xml fine found at \Program\Panels\GooglePanel replace all instances of iexplorer.exe with operaL.exe."...




[ This Message was edited by: pinguino2 on 2008-10-20 22:43 ]

Posted by joel80

On 2008-10-20 23:38:23, pinguino2 wrote:

On 2008-10-20 09:18:11, Psycho Dave wrote:

Where does it say how to modify so it is the default browser for any app that uses a browser?

Thanks for noticing. I stand corrected. It's only for Google.
I got confused reading the words all instances. in WMpowerusers.com :

..." simply need to edit the xml fine found at ProgramPanelsGooglePanel replace all instances of iexplorer.exe with operaL.exe."...


[ This Message was edited by: pinguino2 on 2008-10-20 22:43 ]


Still a good tip though.. I fixed it right away... Thanks..

Anyone got Youtube working well? I can see video but the framerate is 1-2 fps..


Posted by pinguino1
Video: Take a Look inside the Xperia - Don't do this at home
New Videos disassembling and re-assembling your loved Xperia.

YouTube - Xperia X1 - Disassembly Rear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDurQrRt-Y

YouTube - Xperia X1 - Disassembly Front
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGUbxFqvyc

YouTube - Xperia X1 - Reassembly Front
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcDqyEyC_HY

YouTube - Xperia X1 - Reassembly Rear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0sOaIo6724

Don't try this. Unless you are a brain surgeon ready to lose your warranty


Posted by pinguino1

4 Fresh videos just out the camera
New Xperia in action Videos

Multimedia/google
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms

Word mobile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE5U-klAHw

Opera browser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ficgcDg5E

Web sites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=parc9Jha1aQ

ENJOY THEM.
.



Posted by WhyBe
@All

What is your prediction on sales volume of the X1 ?
Worldwide?
USA?
Europe?
Asia?
etc?

Do you think it will be hugely successful or just equal in numbers to other WM phones?

Posted by razec
Don't think it'll be hugely successful. but somehow i feel with it's more recognized/familiar name than other WM brands. it'll be more successful than other WM phones

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-10-20 05:51:59, AbuBasim wrote:

On 2008-10-20 02:27:45, pinguino2 wrote:

Bengal Boy: ..."As for the Car start question,,, my X1i bluetooth profile menu is the most complete I've ever seen on a Windows Mobile Device. Thank you Sony Ericsson for putting your bluetooth stack on the S.E.X1!! Super Sexy!!"...

Very good news. Microsoft's own Bluetooth stack for Windows Mobile is not much better than what they provide with Windows XP SP2. With XP SP2's built-in stack you get PAN and file transfer and that's it. On WM they also add headset and A2DP but nothing else. And the A2DP doesn't work very well on most handsets. Only a few like the HTC Kaiser (TyTN II) can play stereo audio to an A2DP headset without the sound skipping or pausing. The X1 coming with SE's own bluetooth stack should guarantee skip-free sound, at least when paired with an SE headset.

I agree, this is fantastic news. BT stack on WM up to now is shit tbh...

Posted by Solos
Symbian Show starts today. I hope there will appear any information about UIQ Xperia. On SE-NSE forum weirdwilli says about Android Xperia (3Q2009) and Windows Mobile 7 Xperia (4Q2009). Nothing about UIQ Xperia. Do You think there won't be such a device sooner than 3Q or 4Q2009?

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-10-21 07:21:23, Solos wrote:
Symbian Show starts today. I hope there will appear any information about UIQ Xperia. On SE-NSE forum weirdwilli says about Android Xperia (3Q2009) and Windows Mobile 7 Xperia (4Q2009). Nothing about UIQ Xperia. Do You think there won't be such a device sooner than 3Q or 4Q2009?

If all of these devices are indeed coming, there has to be something other than OS which differentiates them. I mean, if there is no difference, then SE might as well just release OS downloads for the existing X1 (which I doubt would happen). I don't see SE supporting too many OS'es. They would be spreading their development resources over duplicate functionality of each OS...a pointless move. I say, choose an OS or two and stick with it/them. Maybe WM and Symbian?

Posted by razec
I learned from phonearena that Android (like iphone) also has killswitch
SE better stick with WM and Symbian (esp. that they are one of the founders of the new SF) as they have already invested there.

Posted by Solos

On 2008-10-21 07:43:58, razec wrote:
SE better stick with WM and Symbian (esp. that they are one of the founders of the new SF) as they have already invested there.



Exactly. SE is one of the founders of SF. It would be... hmmm... strange not to release Symbian Xperia.

On the other hand, Android seems to be very quick. All systems should run so smoothly. Unfortunately neither Symbian nor WM do. I use N95 8GB and is far too slow for me. Too many lags.

Posted by WhyBe
Fundamentally speaking, as any OS grows in sophistication, it too will become more sluggish. Thus the need for faster processors to accomodate. Android is new and lean and probably not as feature-rich as the older OS'es.

Look at this programming code for a Hello World program written for Symbian, iPhone, Android and WM.

As you see, WM seems to win in the development simplicity department.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-10-21 07:23 ]

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-10-21 08:12:28, WhyBe wrote:
Fundamentally speaking, as any OS grows in sophistication, it too will become more sluggish. Thus the need for faster processors to accomodate. Android is new and lean and probably not as feature-rich as the older OS'es.

Look at this programming code for a Hello World program written for Symbian, iPhone, Android and WM.

As you see, WM seems to win in the development simplicity department.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-10-21 07:23 ]



But in basic it's:

10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
20 GOTO 10




The fact is a more complex coding system will use lot's of code for simple things, but not much more code for far more complicated tasks.

A simple system will do simple things with only a line or two, but complex tasks will take many pages (if possible at all)

Note:

In J2ME, it's

Code:
WIDTH="85%"><TR><TD>Code:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><PRE>

import javax.microedition.lcdui.Display;
import javax.microedition.midlet.MIDlet;
import javax.microedition.midlet.MIDletStateChangeException;

public class HelloWorld extends MIDlet {

public HelloWorld() {

}

protected void destroyApp(boolean conditional)
throws MIDletStateChangeException {

}

protected void pauseApp() {

}

public void startApp() throws MIDletStateChangeException {

Display.getDisplay(this).setCurrent(new HelloWorldCanvas());
}
}


Even J2ME is more complex than WM.

_________________
Tricks and Tricks for K800 File System Tweaks for K750

[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2008-10-21 07:37 ]

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-10-21 06:57:59, WhyBe wrote:
@All

What is your prediction on sales volume of the X1 ?
Worldwide?
USA?
Europe?
Asia?
etc?

Do you think it will be hugely successful or just equal in numbers to other WM phones?


At the current delivery rate

About 25 Worldwide!


Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-10-21 07:52:29, Solos wrote:

On 2008-10-21 07:43:58, razec wrote:
SE better stick with WM and Symbian (esp. that they are one of the founders of the new SF) as they have already invested there.



Exactly. SE is one of the founders of SF. It would be... hmmm... strange not to release Symbian Xperia.

On the other hand, Android seems to be very quick. All systems should run so smoothly. Unfortunately neither Symbian nor WM do. I use N95 8GB and is far too slow for me. Too many lags.


From what I read on (I think it was) Engadget the android G1 is not very reliable requiring multiple restarts during a single day and far too dependent on a data connection for my liking.

Posted by MyP910
I still don't understand. The phone has been delivered to Sweden, so what is stopping SE from deliver the phone to the rest ?

Is it production shortage ? very unlikely.

Posted by WhyBe
Slow production maybe?
SE/HTC suppliers too slow or have supply shortages?

Posted by MyP910

On 2008-10-21 11:52:01, WhyBe wrote:
Slow production maybe?
SE/HTC suppliers too slow or have supply shortages?


1) I don't think Xperia uses special component. I believe most of the parts are common.

2) Normally, as in Sony factory, we will have 2 or 3 suppliers for backup in case the main supplier having a problem or parts problem during mass-pro.

3) unless there is a special component, then we will have problem with shortage. as happen for sony PS3 in the beginning due to the shortage of blue laser diode.

4) I think, HTC has a big production capacity since they are OEM manufacturer for many brands.

[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-10-21 12:03 ]

Posted by pinguino1
Why Xperia hasn't announced carriers in North America?
Blame Apple

This report explains why? Carriers subsidies for high end phones are eating the profits. Expect in the future lower service rates but higher phone prices


http://www.reuters.com/articl[....]dType=nl&feedName=ustechnology

[ This Message was edited by: pinguino2 on 2008-10-21 15:12 ]


Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-10-21 13:02:13, MyP910 wrote:

On 2008-10-21 11:52:01, WhyBe wrote:
Slow production maybe?
SE/HTC suppliers too slow or have supply shortages?


1) I don't think Xperia uses special component. I believe most of the parts are common.

2) Normally, as in Sony factory, we will have 2 or 3 suppliers for backup in case the main supplier having a problem or parts problem during mass-pro.

3) unless there is a special component, then we will have problem with shortage. as happen for sony PS3 in the beginning due to the shortage of blue laser diode.

4) I think, HTC has a big production capacity since they are OEM manufacturer for many brands.

[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2008-10-21 12:03 ]


Oh well we can just put it down to Sony Ericson's specialty

INCOMPETENCE!!!

Posted by WhyBe

On 2008-10-21 16:07:01, pinguino2 wrote:
Why Xperia hasn't announced carriers in North America?
Blame Apple

X1a hasn't been announced yet. Remember, it is supposed to be announced on Nov 3.

Also, I haven't noticed high-end SE phones on display anywhere. Most people have no clue what my p910 is I think SE just doesn't have a huge footprint in the U.S.

Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-21 06:57:59, WhyBe wrote:
@All

What is your prediction on sales volume of the X1 ?
Worldwide?
USA?
Europe?
Asia?
etc?

Do you think it will be hugely successful or just equal in numbers to other WM phones?

Worldwide = 7 he he. That's what SE makes people persive.

But seriously, This is a high end, high price device for power users and people who can afford it most others just will wish to have but can't afford.

As opposed to low end low price like the iPhone ($199) that a lot people will buy for simple entertainment or because it's cool.

Most of the people around the world buy mobiles phones tjust o make calls.

Any one has a chart of history sales for the top devices to have a point of reference and compare?
.




Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-21 19:20:02, WhyBe wrote:

On 2008-10-21 16:07:01, pinguino2 wrote:
Why Xperia hasn't announced carriers in North America?
Blame Apple

X1a hasn't been announced yet. Remember, it is supposed to be announced on Nov 3.

Also, I haven't noticed high-end SE phones on display anywhere. Most people have no clue what my p910 is I think SE just doesn't have a huge footprint in the U.S.


What 's happened is ridiculously extrange. I can't imagine a company of the caliber of SE ever doing such stupid things. At this point comon sense dictates that they are mute about a a serious problem/mistake. The Sweden phones don't look like the real final thing.

Normally there a lot of hype advertisement in advance specially for a high end device. iBut USA nothing! no tv,magazine, flyers nothing. I talk to many AT&T store managers and employees and they say Xperia? What?

Either At&t will not carry it or it is the biggest secret in the world. Based on the link I posted above I think AT&T is thinking dollars and sense before making a commitmemt.

If it goes unbranded. I don't mind it.



Posted by WhyBe
What high-end SE phone has ever been carried by a provider in the U.S. ?

Posted by norti

The Sweden phones don't look like the real final thing.


Why? What means final to you? All missing (and not announced) features suddenly appear in the X1 or what?

Posted by santo911
I played with an X1 today at Gitex...gr8 design, gr8 material...but the phone is a little slow... its the retail version and it will be out in 2 weeks here is Dubai, alongside with the C905...that is very ugly by the way...

Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-21 21:40:30, norti wrote:

The Sweden phones don't look like the real final thing.


Why? What means final to you? All missing (and not announced) features suddenly appear in the X1 or what?


Hi norti,
Certainly I don't have a Sweden X1 in my hand (In fact I have none) I didn't say they are not. I said it "looks" to me that after reading posts from dozens of "fortunate" Sweden owners, I noticed several have doubts and some even complain openly. In the other hand no one here can verify the actual final specs and on top of that SE stops shipping...?? what's going on here?
I don't know. Do you know?.

.



Posted by Residentevil

On 2008-10-21 19:59:37, WhyBe wrote:
What high-end SE phone has ever been carried by a provider in the U.S. ?


The T28World

Posted by WhyBe
Wow! That's terrible.

Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-21 19:59:37, WhyBe wrote:
What high-end SE phone has ever been carried by a provider in the U.S. ?


hi whybe,

None, really. I think the best ones are really medium range like w810, w760 with AT&T. I'm not too familiar with the other USA carriers.

Question: Why the high-end phones which are high priced sell like hot cakes in Europe while there almost non-existing in USA, I thought the big spenders were in USA.



Posted by WhyBe
My guess is that the low-end and mid-end phones are being pushed so hard by the providers. The high-end stuff is usually off in the corner somewhere with the huge price tag above it. iPhone being the exception. Those shopping mall kiosks never have the high-end stuff in there either. Also, people don't like those high priced data plans you have to purchase along with the high-end phone. Why they are so successful in Europe ? I don't know. Maybe it's just a cultural difference--3G has been in Europe alot longer too, I believe. U.S. is relatively new to 3G. In the U.S., I think the iPhone, G1 (Android), and new Blackberries (Bold) will be the big selling smart phones.

I thought the big spenders were in USA.

We're a nation of frugal Wal-Mart shoppers. Don't let the movies, TV shows and music fool you

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-10-22 05:54 ]

Posted by max_wedge
imho iPhone isn't a high end device. Mundane camera, no generic bluetooth support (gprs modem, file transfer, pan etc), no flash, no mms, no handwriting, completely proprietary application platform, no mass storage support, no expandable memory, the list goes on and on. If it didn't have one or two of those things it could still be considered a high end device, but to be so short on BASIC features..?

It's a fancy feature phone in the upper end of that segment that appeals to a broad range of AVERAGE users who don't demand specific features that are considered de rigueur in a high end smartphone.

Many industry pundits proclaim iphone is not even a smartphone. For example Eric Zeman of Information Week: "The iPhone is not a smartphone. It is not meant for enterprise users. Apple may claim that it is a solid messaging device, that it syncs with your contacts databases, and that it can view Microsoft Word and Excel files, but it doesn't have near the enterprise integration capabilities that true smartphones offer. And it doesn't run third-party applications. (The Sarafi-based "apps" that Steve Jobs said developers could create for the iPhone don't count.) The iPhone may offer a fancy UI and other advanced interactivity, but in the end, most of the services it provides (Google Maps, music playback, video playback, SMS, mobile e-mail) are available on other, far-less-expensive feature phones."

Those who defend it as a smartphone say things like "The iPhone is worthy of being categorized as a smartphone by virtue of the way it integrates voice and data functions into one device," Carmi Levy, http://www.betanews.com/artic[....]ne_Not_a_Smartphone/1169746276

If that were the case, then every phone with 3G and call functionality could be classed as a smartphone! I admit the iphone is a fantastically engineered feature phone with some great UI innovations, but this does not make it a smartphone or a high end device.


Posted by Nitro Fan
@max_wedge

Certainly isn't a high end device! One of my Swedish mates who moved from his "sluggish P1" to the iPhone 3G has just given his away to his daughter on the basis it simply does not do what his old P1 DOES!

A point I made to an O2 sales person last weekend when I went in to ask about the X1 and the clown tried to sell me an iPhone his response, "Yeah but d iPhone is cooler init" Muppet.

Posted by WhyBe
Well, iPhone is definitely a high-end device (highly subsidized). Whether you consider it a smartphone or not is a matter of semantics. It supports third party software and is OS updateable. Just because it doesn't match other established smartphones feature-for-feature doesn't disqualify it as a smartphone.

Posted by Tigershark42
It is a toy by definition, people buy it only for the fun of using it. It offers little or less than their old phone did in terms of features or capabilities. End of.

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-10-22 14:09:56, WhyBe wrote:
It supports third party software and is OS updateable.


So does my W910.

You are right, whether something is a smartphone or not is certainly down to semantics, but take something like A200 with the latest java support, multi-tasking and comprehensive multimedia support and you could pretty much argue that it's a smartphone OS. "Technically" it's not because it doesn't support native multi-tasking, but it's application platform does so in most cases it's not a smartphone in "semantics" only.

Let's look at iphone again: What about one of the key features that most would agree marks a phone as a "smartphone"? Multi-tasking. iPhone multi-tasking is disabled for applications. So while even a shitty old java phone can multi-task apps, let alone WM, iphone can't. It can multitask music and web browsing (wow, my K700 can do that). But not apps. If you ask apple this is their reasoning: "...WinCE proves that the general idea of having no limitations on third party background processes and concurrently running applications on a handheld device is a bad idea." Okay "no limitations" might be a bit much, but to restrict apps to only one at once?? wtf? btw, I never noticed my WM phones crashing with many apps running. Again it comes down to badly designed apps bring windows to it's knees, not the amount if apps in memory. For well behaved apps, WM manages memory very well.

Okay, what about broadbased native multimedia support (or support through third party apps), the other criteria of a good smartphone? Does iphone have comprehensive multimedia support? No it doesn't. For multimedia to play on the iphone it has to be first converted in itunes (using a computer) to apple compatible formats. A200 supports MORE codecs than iphone (mp3, m4a, mp4, real, wmv, wma, wav, amr) AND with a A200 phone you can plug it into any computer and transfer that media to the computer, OR transfer the media via bluetooth (or wifi on the upcoming C905).

Let's look at WM - most media will play on the WM without conversion, running free third party players (such as core). It also supports various backward AND forward methods of file transfers. No "itunes" type software is required to copy media to WM. I can bluetooth tracks direct from my A200 to my WM and back again.

So for me, I simply find it laughable to categorise the iphone as a smartphone when it offers very little in raw functionality that my W910 doesn't, and against WM it's postively antiquated. The only thing it has going for it is a very swish interface, but that's about it.


Posted by pinguino1

On 2008-10-22 14:09:56, WhyBe wrote:
Well, iPhone is definitely a high-end device (highly subsidized). Whether you consider it a smartphone or not is a matter of semantics. It supports third party software and is OS updateable. Just because it doesn't match other established smartphones feature-for-feature doesn't disqualify it as a smartphone.

.
Hi WhyBe,

Very rare that I disagree with your comments, this time I make an exception. My definition of high end is not if it HAS this or that. It is f it performs EXCEPTIONALLY well this or that.

A for instance: a high-end car is not the one with engine and wheels, and dashboard full of gimmiky features who takes you to work. It is the one that performs beyond the rest.

The iPhone is a flashy phone with beautiful dashboard that performs very poorly or misses some important tasks or even basic functions.

So regadles of how it's called, smartphone, feature phone, ipod phone it is a regular hyped phone that attracts simple users, people with a weak ego who needs to show off or just suckers.
.
.


[ This Message was edited by: pinguino2 on 2008-10-22 15:24 ]

Posted by BIG-Stan
dito

Posted by willo
Just spoken to Carphone Warehouse, I have been told that they are expecting the X1 to be in stock "This Weekend".

Free handset for £45 p/mth 18 month contract (as already posted)
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.

I asked about inclusive O2 unlimited web access bolt-on, they told me the only inclusive bolt-on is unlimited texts and web access is a further £7.50 p/mth. Which strikes me as being a 'bit steep' as O2 let you choose your own bolt-on (including web access) for their £30 p/th contracts.
Dave

Posted by Tigershark42

On 2008-10-22 17:24:47, willo wrote:
They estimate £100 handset charge for £35 p/mth 18 month contract.


Which carrier does this apply to? Now I'm abit more interested!

Posted by SE-Naz
It may be the O2 Network...

Cheers
ENJOY

Posted by WhyBe
@max wedge & @pinguino2:

OK, we all have differing viewpoints on what a smartphone or high-end is. Even Wikipedia can't really define it. I think the BEST definition is the simplest one, because that is what will become THE definition for all.

@pinguino2 I'm dissapointed you disagree with me. I thought I was right about EVERYTHING, ALL the time

Posted by willo
Quote:

On 2008-10-22 19:10:34, SE-Naz wrote:
It may be the O2 Network...

Cheers
ENJOY



yes it was O2 - I should have mentioned it!


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