Posted by Humble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYshhuJzh4
just came across this and it supports my view
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 16:19:40, Humble wrote:
Just Like to apologise on some information that I wrote earlier concerning the Video performance of the Next generation platform, I stated that the devices are capable of 720p H264 encode and decode,
the Nvidia Tegra Processor is capable of 720p encode H264, and 1080P H264 decode
http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/06/nvidia-tegra-cp.html
Pretty impressive, of course, but are there any devices set for market that are employing this platform or are real products a year or more away?
Posted by aksd
@ WhyBe
Regarding finger friendly apps for WM, about them being availabe shortly, ermmm.... which world do you live in?
, they've been available for quite some time now, over six months. You can check out ww.pointui.com, www.throttlelauncher.com and theres a www.spbsoftwarehouse.com, and tonnes more, the X1 wont change that.
Part finger friendly and part not finger friendly is a pain in the arse, the final product ends up feeling like its confused. You might say you wont use the settings menu, etc, but I'm sure you use the file manager, at this moment the X1 does'nt have a finger friendly file manager and there is'nt any commercially availabe, although the new resco one seems more finger oriented.
Phones get the APX2500(not sure if thats the one in the vid), I think it supports only WM as far as I know and the first phone should be out 1-2Q 2009, if not this then on the Snapdragon platform that is quite similar.
Heres a link for the APX2500 http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]lphone-applications-processor/
http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html
A few vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqfn3KNLTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD4SrVZlcig
Now thats why I'm excited about early next year products. THe Qualcomm solutions should be market ready Q1 2009.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 21:42:15, aksd wrote:
@ WhyBe
Regarding finger friendly apps for WM, about them being availabe shortly...
@ WhyBe
Regarding finger friendly apps for WM, about them being availabe shortly...
I only said that it is the trend, I didn't say it was a new concept hitting the market. I'm just saying less and less of the old style UI will be employed. And I'm not just talking about app launchers either.
Where did I say I won't use settings? You keep mis-interpreting my statements into something grossly different than what I meant.
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Posted by iwantfatty
I think aksd has got it right, that the final product will most likely feel confused, optical joystick? Big ass keyboard? Touch screen? Weird ugly WM menus combined with pretty SE menus
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 21:58:17, iwantfatty wrote:
I think aksd has got it right, that the final product will most likely feel confused, optical joystick? Big ass keyboard? Touch screen? Weird ugly WM menus combined with pretty SE menus
I doubt it.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 16:28:13, Humble wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYshhuJzh4
just came across this and it supports my view
I just thought about something.....
What if Apple is the first to utilize this platform?
Posted by iwantfatty
Sorry if I come across negative, I am just not feeling the love from the X1, I really hope it is an amazing phone and lives up to the hype.
But this sorta thing will probably take a few iterations to get right so maybe when the X4 comes along, it will win at life
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 22:15:48, iwantfatty wrote:
Sorry if I come across negative, I am just not feeling the love from the X1, I really hope it is an amazing phone and lives up to the hype.
But this sorta thing will probably take a few iterations to get right so maybe when the X4 comes along, it will win at life
So until then, it's iPhone huh?
Posted by iwantfatty
Yeah, or you know, normal phones? the ones us mere mortals can afford
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-05 22:48:10, iwantfatty wrote:
Yeah, or you know, normal phones? the ones us mere mortals can afford
Maybe the late release date of the X1 is
s way of giving you time to save up for it. So go shovel snow or cut grass or flip burgers on the side if you have to I'm saving now too.
Posted by iwantfatty
You reckon I would be able to pick this phone up on my orange contract? As it runs out in December. Seems like it’s a bit too costly to be an option, haha I soon changed my tune huh?
Posted by Humble
Whybe
I never thought of that !!!!!!!!!!!!! one thing for sure I dont mind which company adopts the platform but I most definitely be getting it, I think the tegra 600/650 series are aimed towards laptop/ internet tablet devices wheres as the apx2500 is going to be directed to the mobile/smartphone sector, Time to market by what I read is going to be 1Q 2009 or even b4 the years out, which surprises me, if you download the pdf from nvidia at the bottom of article it states what time frame,
Relating back to Qualcomm, all I know definitively is that
HTC have the Snapdragons NOW!!!! tinkering with them,
S.E. U500 looks equally promising, its no coincidence that all of these devices are slated for late this year, or 1Q,2009 Maybe I am being over enthusiatic, But the renaissance is multi faceted,
only thing that can top this is if some alien mothership crashed in a remote part of siberia and some extra terrestial handset was found running of a nuclear cell......
Posted by aksd
I don't know how great the X1 UI will be, but I suspect it won't be the WM same-ol' same-ol'. I'm talking about the main suite of apps. Who cares how the settings screen looks?
I assumed from this statement that you generaly dont use your settings
, my mistake. But most people judge a phone by the entire package and not just a handful of built in apps. Either the entire OS along with all exernal apps are finger friendly, or its just Windows Mobile 6.1 with a bunch of finger friendly apps which does'nt really make the product a completely finger friendly solution.
On 2008-06-05 22:00:17, WhyBe wrote:
I doubt it.
Thats what the SE rep told me
, and since we're friends I get his honest opinion, but then again its not the final product now is it . But most of the evidence points that way. Where the finger firendly apps are concerened it will feel a bit confused, most of the buyers(I'm not talking you or your friends , I'm talking WM enthusiasts which the bulk of the X1 sales will go to ecentually), may never use the panels, because in day to day life it be comes a pain, far easier to have everything on the today screen where 1 touch should access whatever is required, better than pressing a button then touch whatever you require.
Regarding the iPhone using the processor, believe it or not
, but I dont think the new iPhone will use a new processor, the current one is quite good, better than anything used in todays phones still. So if it aint broke dont fix it p[olicy would come into play. But the next iPhone would definately be a different story , also if you notice APple seem to stick to Samsung processors for their iPods till date, so I wonder if they'd switch.
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Posted by Dogmann
@iwantfatty
I would say it is very unlikely that Orange will have the X1 on contract and much more likely they will once again have their own branded HTC version as they have done with the TyTN1 & TyTN2.
As i have mentioned a few times as most of the Networks have a history of their own branded HTC versions, which obviously make them more money. I can't really see just which if any Networks will have the X1 as well to compete with their own offerings and this will yet another hurdle to SE's sales of the X1.
Marc
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Posted by d-southwest
I have a question ( again)
Doesnt Windows Media Player have a graphic equalizer?
Coz i never used a Windows Mobile!
Peace
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-08 14:59:45, Dogmann wrote:
...As i have mentioned a few times as most of the Networks have a history of their own branded HTC versions, which obviously make them more money. I can't really see just which if any Networks will have the X1 as well to compete with their own offerings and this will yet another hurdle to SE's sales of the X1.
Why would the networks have their own branded versions of the X1? Is that a normal
practice to do so? Or are you saying that there will be an "HTC" version of the X1 made available to the networks? If that's what you're saying, I thinks it's pretty ridiculous (especially considering the Touch Pro)? Sounds like that tired old "it's really an HTC" argument again.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
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Orange dont brand htc units as orange anymore. They sell them as htc handsets
Posted by iwantfatty
Oh well, looks like I won't be picking one up then... I really don't see who this phone is aimed at, apart from mabye this forum hehe
Posted by Dogmann
@whyBe
Obviously i meant the HTC Raphael or what ever the branded versions will be called and not the X1. Whilst they are not exactly the same they are very similar and as JC White has just pointed out Orange no longer even brand their HTC devices. But i really can't see the Networks buying such a similar device especially as it will arrive later anyway and most probably be more expensive to as it would just make no sense. But maybe Orange will be the one network that does to have something a little different from the others and attract some SE fans to them.
I haven't seen any announcements of any Networks with the intention of selling the X1 as of yet. Despite the fact you love SE Networks are some what more mercenary and do what suits them financially best which is why i question if any will be supplying the X1 on contract. But yet again only time will reveal if they will or not, personally i don't think so.
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Posted by aksd
On 2008-06-08 18:22:43, d-southwest wrote:
I have a question ( again)
Doesnt Windows Media Player have a graphic equalizer?
Coz i never used a Windows Mobile!
Peace
Nope, but there are tonnes of awesome software which allow equalizers. THere are system enhancers such as SRS Wow that are changes settings for all audio output. With WM you really dont have to worry about software
@all
Heres a file that mentions the differences between WM6 and WM6.1 for all those interested.
http://rapidshare.com/files/1[....]Guide_Generic_English.pdf.html
Posted by d-southwest
On 2008-06-08 20:44:20, aksd wrote:
On 2008-06-08 18:22:43, d-southwest wrote:
I have a question ( again)
Doesnt Windows Media Player have a graphic equalizer?
Coz i never used a Windows Mobile!
Peace
Nope, but there are tonnes of awesome software which allow equalizers. THere are system enhancers such as SRS Wow that are changes settings for all audio output. With WM you really dont have to worry about software
@all
Heres a file that mentions the differences between WM6 and WM6.1 for all those interested.
http://rapidshare.com/files/1[....]Guide_Generic_English.pdf.html
Thanks than i hope that this also have a sort of walkman player or tha functions of tha walkman phones
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-08 20:21:21, Dogmann wrote:
@whyBe
Obviously i meant the HTC Raphael or what ever the branded versions will be called and not the X1. Whilst they are not exactly the same they are very similar and as JC White has just pointed out Orange no longer even brand their HTC devices. But i really can't see the Networks buying such a similar device especially as it will arrive later anyway and most probably be more expensive to as it would just make no sense. But maybe Orange will be the one network that does to have something a little different from the others and attract some SE fans to them.
I haven't seen any announcements of any Networks with the intention of selling the X1 as of yet. Despite the fact you love SE Networks are some what more mercenary and do what suits them financially best which is why i question if any will be supplying the X1 on contract. But yet again only time will reveal if they will or not, personally i don't think so.
@Dogmann
The fact that X1 is a highly anticipated "Sony" product will put it on shelves (I know,
is not Sony, but, Sony still means Sony to most people ). That and the buzz surrounding it will put X1 in demand. As I've said before, it won't be a big seller like iPhone because of it's price, but should be popular nevertheless (it already IS popular actually!). Remember, is NOT a new kid on the block (just with WM). I think this AT&T panel says alot about what network X1 will be on
Posted by BobaFett
not sure if already posted...
http://www.phonemag.com/phone[....]e-week-in-review-19-063098.php
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-09 01:28:20, BobaFett wrote:
not sure if already posted...
http://www.phonemag.com/phone[....]e-week-in-review-19-063098.php
X1 available in two different colors? What should we look for in that link?
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Posted by BobaFett
maybe for sy it is...
Posted by Bandit
Haven't been on in a LONG time. Sorry if I'm asking redundant questions.
1. Is SE firm on a release date yet?
2. Any prototype reviews yet?
~Bandit
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-09 18:10:24, Bandit wrote:
Haven't been on in a LONG time. Sorry if I'm asking redundant questions.
1. Is SE firm on a release date yet?
2. Any prototype reviews yet?
1) Fourth quarter is as firm as it gets, so far.
2) Tons of reviews. Search YouTube (Xperia X1) and also these:
BengalBoy prototype review.
UMPC prototype review.
Posted by WhyBe
For those who are wondering about X1's lack of accelerometer and compatibility with WM7, Read this. It explains that WM7 will most likely not utilize accelerometers or gyroscopes and instead use the built-in camera of WM devices to achieve the same motion controls. I don't know how this would impact battery life, but, it is interesting nevertheless.
Posted by d-southwest
I hope its got Stereo speakers?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-11 14:02:11, d-southwest wrote:
I hope its got Stereo speakers?
I doubt it. I think whatever is in the whitepaper is it. I don't see where stereo speakers would fit.
Why stereo speakers anyway? Anything that small is going to sound like crap...that's physics.
Posted by aksd
On 2008-06-09 20:40:54, WhyBe wrote:
For those who are wondering about X1's lack of accelerometer and compatibility with WM7, Read this. It explains that WM7 will most likely not utilize accelerometers or gyroscopes and instead use the built-in camera of WM devices to achieve the same motion controls. I don't know how this would impact battery life, but, it is interesting nevertheless.
From what I've heard is its a combination of both. Not just the accelerometer or the front camera. Another thought. WM6.1 seems to require more system RAM then WM6. I wonder ifthe current devices will have enough RAM and ROM to store WM7. As you know the iPhone OS is close to 700MB. If WM7 is similar I dont think it would work on these devices. Its all just speculation now. WE have to wait till the first device launches.
Posted by Yakkaimono
On 2008-06-11 14:41:45, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-11 14:02:11, d-southwest wrote:
I hope its got Stereo speakers?
I doubt it. I think whatever is in the whitepaper is it. I don't see where stereo speakers would fit.
Why stereo speakers anyway? Anything that small is going to sound like crap...that's physics.
I wouldn't be too sure about stereo speakers but this guy says that there are in fact stereo speakers in the x1.
http://www.umpcportal.com/200[....]h-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/
Posted by d-southwest
Just wondering why!!!!!!!!
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-11 14:43:53, aksd wrote:
On 2008-06-09 20:40:54, WhyBe wrote:
For those who are wondering about X1's lack of accelerometer and compatibility with WM7, Read this. It explains that WM7 will most likely not utilize accelerometers or gyroscopes and instead use the built-in camera of WM devices to achieve the same motion controls. I don't know how this would impact battery life, but, it is interesting nevertheless.
...Another thought. WM6.1 seems to require more system RAM then WM6. I wonder ifthe current devices will have enough RAM and ROM to store WM7. As you know the iPhone OS is close to 700MB. If WM7 is similar I dont think it would work on these devices....
I wonder if the OS can run from the SDHC card? Or are the cards too slow?
Posted by aksd
It is possible to run an OS from the memory card, slower but possible. But highly unlikely it will be done for WM7 if the ROM is in sufficent. The memory mapping of the OS must be changed for which the OS has to be open source. Eg: Android. People are running Android from the mem card.
Posted by Residentevil
It would have to have some kind of provision inside the OS to do so.
Posted by Arne Anka
On 2008-06-12 05:47:42, WhyBe wrote:
I wonder if the OS can run from the SDHC card? Or are the cards too slow?
I believe the WM mobiles N1 and N2 from Neonode at least boots the OS from an SD card. But I'm not sure if the execution after boot is performed in RAM or directly from the SD-card.
Posted by Zzzyzx
Does anyone know if the Windows Media Player Mobile installed in XPERIA has the feature of displaying visualizations much like the Media Player version in the PC?
Posted by anonymuser
The Windows Media Player that's packaged with Windows Mobile isn't great, to be honest - it does album art, but not visualisations, and more importantly the interface isn't very well designed and it's a bit of a PITA to use. Surprising really, I'm sure Microsoft could do better.
On HTC phones it's augmented by their "Audio Manager" software, which has a much more intuitive interface and is better integrated into the home screen etc. Hopefully SE will implement something similar. If not there are some good freeware players.
Posted by Humble
Looks like theres a new revision to the X1 whitepaper
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-13 07:40:35, Zzzyzx wrote:
Does anyone know if the Windows Media Player Mobile installed in XPERIA has the feature of displaying visualizations much like the Media Player version in the PC?
There is a "Media Experience Panel" in the X1. I imagine this includes
's own "media player" software.
@Humble
I only see revision 3 whitepaper. Have you seen a revision 4?
Posted by Humble
Sorry Mistake of mine the last time I checked there were only 2, now theres three, I havent bin keeping up, the war is on from 2009
Arm versus Intel Im putting my money on arm with the Tegra,
AMD just got the open gl 2.0 certification and are going to implement tegra
Posted by rraz9228
On 2008-06-13 14:41:17, WhyBe wrote:
I only see revision 3 whitepaper. Have you seen a revision 4?
If you don't mind me asking, what are the changes on the 3rd Whitepaper?
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-13 20:09:29, rraz9228 wrote:
On 2008-06-13 14:41:17, WhyBe wrote:
I only see revision 3 whitepaper. Have you seen a revision 4?
If you don't mind me asking, what are the changes on the 3rd Whitepaper?
A few minor enhancements:
1. 1 Gig of RAM/1 Gig of Flash
2. 3" 1600x1200 screen
3. 1.2 GHz processor w/GPU
4. 2200 MAh battery
5. Shipping w/WM7 installed
6. HDMI out
also, the weight and battery specs were updated. More details should be a few pages back in this thread.
Posted by rraz9228
On 2008-06-13 21:55:46, WhyBe wrote:
A few minor enhancements:
1. 1 Gig of RAM/1 Gig of Flash
2. 3" 1600x1200 screen
3. 1.2 GHz processor w/GPU
4. 2200 MAh battery
5. Shipping w/WM7 installed
6. HDMI out
also, the weight and battery specs were updated. More details should be a few pages back in this thread.
Thanks for being sarcastic.
I was merely asking because I didn't know about the 3rd revison until today.
And I thought people from Ohio are nice.
Posted by WhyBe
Thanks for being sarcastic.
I was merely asking because I didn't know about the 3rd revison until today.
And I thought people from Ohio are nice.
I was merely asking because I didn't know about the 3rd revison until today.
And I thought people from Ohio are nice.
I wasn't being sarcastic...I was being hopeful
The real response to your question was in bold. Sorry I wasn't clearer.
Ohioans ARE nice, with the exception of one or two...
Posted by Yakkaimono
The weight and battery specs were already changed in the 2nd release. The 3rd had almost no differences to the 2nd one.
Posted by ori
I am sorry to ask but is X1 a successor to the P series of smart phones? Or should we wait for new P to come out too?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-06-14 19:30:11, ori wrote:
I am sorry to ask but is X1 a successor to the P series of smart phones? Or should we wait for new P to come out too?
I am sorry to ask but is X1 a successor to the P series of smart phones? Or should we wait for new P to come out too?
The X-series is new. The P-series still exists with the p1i and the upcoming p5i (called 'Paris'). The X-series is, IMO, more high-end than the p-series though.