Posted by norti
On 2008-05-04 03:01:54, d-southwest wrote:
On 2008-05-04 02:56:45, d-southwest wrote:
To P.I.M.P Bengalboy:)
I have a Q
So does this phone have 760mb storage for everything (400mb + 360mb flash)
And sorry for asking but this this phone have a great equalizer?
Your review is ballin
Keep up tha good work
Peace
Sorry i mean:
Is the memory of this phone 400 mb user storage + 512 (380) mb ROM?
Peace
No, it has 512 MB Flash ROM from which is ca. 380-400 MB (depending on how much the OS takes up) user storage
Posted by d-southwest
To Norti
Thanks
So you mean that the memory is:
1. 400 MB User
2. 512 MB ROM
3. 128 MB RAM
(4. Memory card)
Is that it?
Peace
Posted by AkuKL
Available colours
* Black
* Silver
* Main screen: 65,536 color TFT
* Resolution: 800 X 480 pixels
* Size: 3 inches
65K colour? Thats doesn't sounds much.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-05-04 17:30:53, AkuKL wrote:
Available colours
* Black
* Silver
* Main screen: 65,536 color TFT
* Resolution: 800 X 480 pixels
* Size: 3 inches
65K colour? Thats doesn't sounds much.
Actually, you wouldn't need much more considering the WVGA resolution.
Posted by AkuKL
On 2008-05-04 18:13:32, NightBlade wrote:
On 2008-05-04 17:30:53, AkuKL wrote:
Available colours
* Black
* Silver
* Main screen: 65,536 color TFT
* Resolution: 800 X 480 pixels
* Size: 3 inches
65K colour? Thats doesn't sounds much.
Actually, you wouldn't need much more considering the WVGA resolution.
Thanks for the info. I am just a layman.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-05-04 17:30:53, AkuKL wrote:
Available colours
* Black
* Silver
* Main screen: 65,536 color TFT
* Resolution: 800 X 480 pixels
* Size: 3 inches
65K colour? Thats doesn't sounds much.
WM devices dont support higher than 65k yet.
Posted by Astral1
sorry, i may be in a bit of a grump, but, i can't believe this thread has gone 114 pages from start to here, and were right back at the begining with the 65k screen colour thing.
there must be someone here who reads before posting????
Posted by VinnyP!
I am late to this party and back on this board as this may bring me back to the SE fold. This may ramble a bit as I am trying to address a number of issues in this already huge thread and explain why I am brand and OS independent but still hopeful this could be the next phone for me and really has got wow factor. I am huge fan of Symbian UIQ and all it's ancestors. I had every Psion right back to the original Oganiser II (My SO still uses her 5MX and it pays for itself every day) and a mixture of Nokia, Ericsson and later SE phones alongside them. The P910 was the first convergence device that worked for me. Some kind of keyboard and a touch screen is a must for me. I got the 990 and the P1 and honestly they were a disappointment.
I moved with a great deal of trepidation to the original TYTN and it was eye opening WM was Ok (once I'd bought hundreds of pounds worth of software to customise it) it still crashed too often but the available software was better than that for UIQ. The hardware on the other hand was great; of course not perfect, the internal memory was not enough, the camera was only average, it was a bit lardy, the processor too slow and the lack of SDHC was a pain. HSDPA on the unlimited T-Mobile package was really good though as was the connectivity and input options.
The TYTN II addressed most of the issues to some degree except the processor. The tilting screen was a big plus (if you watch video on a train, plane or at a table you no longer have to find a way to prop the phone up) and WM6 is much much more stable. However the lack of graphics accelleration was a big let down, none the less it is a great phone.
What I can't understand from this thread is why a phone has to be a Media device or a Business device. A high end PC will do everything whay not a mobile device. I wan't all of this in one handset. In order I use it as an organiser, phone, e-mail, newpaper, Web browser, Ogg/MP3 player, Video player, office applications, Maps, Sat Nav and Geocoding, Camera, Password store, dictionaries and reference tools and then all the other goodies. The Iphone and N95/6 struggle as organisers and with business apps and the Blackberries etc are even more one trick ponies.
I have no worries that HTC are involved in some way with this phone or that it uses WM their phones are well made and WM6 is really very good. If I had to choose improvements on the TYTN it would be implement the graphics accelleration, to make it thinner, to bump up the processor and to improve the screen. This has all this, AND the panels, metal construction and the optical joystick should replace the scroll wheel nicely. Taken seperately there may be other phones that can do what this does but none as far as I can see that can do it all in such a slim package.
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Posted by norti
On 2008-05-04 16:46:00, d-southwest wrote:
Thanks
So you mean that the memory is:
1. 400 MB User
2. 512 MB ROM
3. 128 MB RAM
(4. Memory card)
Is that it?
Peace
Nr. 1 is part of Nr. 2 (512 MB Flash ROM contains the OS + user storage, you get "only" 380-400 MB storage, because WM6.1 takes up some place in the ROM)
Nr. 3-4. is right (as we can see on the demo devices, it'll have ca. 80-83 MB free RAM for the applications, which is IMHO great for multitasking)
[ This Message was edited by: norti on 2008-05-04 22:27 ]
Posted by d-southwest
To Norti
Thanks again
Sorry to bother again
But do you also get 256 mb? (not tha memory card)
Posted by norti
d-southwest: no, there's no other '256MB', only the above mentioned 512MB ROM + 128MB RAM in the device (it's unknown whether there'll be a memory card in the retail package)
Posted by d-southwest
To Norti
Thanks for your help!!
I have no more question about tha how much memory
Peace
Posted by imranbashir
Hi all,
@ Bengalboy or anyone with a demo phone.
Could you please try TomTom Navigator version 6.032 on the Xperia. I have heard it does not work with WVGA screens, and just want to make sure if the rumours are true or false.
I really like this phone and have refrained from upgrading from my current O2 XDA Orbit, just so i can upgrade to this phone, but if TomTom does not work it might be a deal breaker
I have no experience of co-pilot, any one tried both TomTom and co-pilot? Any opinions?
Bengalboy, what version of co-pilot were you using in your demo?
Thanks in advance to responses...
Posted by p85w
On 2008-05-05 15:24:56, imranbashir wrote:
Hi all,
@ Bengalboy or anyone with a demo phone.
Could you please try TomTom Navigator version 6.032 on the Xperia. I have heard it does not work with WVGA screens, and just want to make sure if the rumours are true or false.
I really like this phone and have refrained from upgrading from my current O2 XDA Orbit, just so i can upgrade to this phone, but if TomTom does not work it might be a deal breaker
I have no experience of co-pilot, any one tried both TomTom and co-pilot? Any opinions?
Bengalboy, what version of co-pilot were you using in your demo?
Thanks in advance to responses...
If so, Tom Tom will probably release a version that will work.
Posted by imranbashir
If so, Tom Tom will probably release a version that will work.
Why do you think that will be the case? TomTom haven’t released anything after Navigator 6 for the Windows Mobile platform and that was over 18 months ago!
On their own hardware they run a version of Linux, and they have had Navigator 7, and soon to be released Navigator 8 (called NavCore 8). Even HP, who used to bundle TomTom with their GPS enabled iPAQ’s have switched over to iGO for their latest iPAQ range that supports GPS and a WVGA screen (iPAQ 310).
Surely HP being an existing customer and such a large corporation would have enough clout to get TomTom on board for their new product range. If TomTom didn’t play ball then, why would they do it for Sony Ericsson?
Supporting WVGA won’t be a simple fix, as the whole GUI has to change!
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-06 10:33 ]
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
I have to agree with the above post since Tom Tom 6 there has been no effort made by Tom Tom to support any 3rd party devices any longer. They seem to concentrate only on their own products now if is this is a consequence of the amount of cracked Tom Tom software available and why they are no longer interested in supporting other platforms is anyones guess. But it doesn't look like any of us are getting newer versions for any of our non Tom Tom devices at the moment if ever.
Marc
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Posted by bavlondon2
So whats new with this phone? I have been away from this thread for a while can someone fill me in.
Posted by Yakkaimono
If have the time check through the whitepaper. Here is the link.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=100340
Posted by bavlondon2
Xperia X1 - bad news
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Posted by jalf
this is really BAD news! now what? what can we expect from SE?
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-06 17:33:31, bavlondon2 wrote:
Xperia X1 - bad news
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Originally posted by Eldar:
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Is this the children's corner? This doesn't even sound business-like. Sounds like a high-schooler making up his own "insider" news story.
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Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-05-06 17:33:31, bavlondon2 wrote:
Xperia X1 - bad news
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Originally posted by Eldar:
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Can't see that one on his site.
Posted by bavlondon2
Just got it of the forum mate im sure its not waffle.
So basically it means what we all saw a few weeks ago is probably what we will get. ie: no eye candy perhaps.
Anyway time to move on to the Diamond me thinks.
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Posted by QVGA
WM pwned SE
Posted by bavlondon2
Certaintly looks that way. To be fair those wanting X1 shouldnt be too disheartened as X1 was mostly Diamond underneath anyway just not as snazzy looking so in that sense HTC have done you a favour.
Posted by norti
Before SE announced X1 and that the manufacturer of the device will be HTC, latter couldn't provide their customer with decent GPU drivers. After SE made clear, that X1 will use 3D acceleration and they will provide the correct drivers for this, HTC made a new touch device, suddenly using the Qualcomm architecture's 3D acceleration. Don't you see the connection?
First: I don't think you should believe in such hoaxes, especially if they state that UIQ3.3 will have all the missing and wanted features of X1. UIQ is still a tentative and evolving operating system GUI, it looks promising (compared to UIQ3.0), but it doesn't support as many hardware platforms as WM and manufacturers need to understand, that today's mobile devices need more than a 200MHz CPU...
Second: if HTC can build an iPhone-like device with fast UI based on WM6.1, why couldn't SE (obviously they use HTC's debug and developer tools, we can see this on the "the-unwired" video among the programs)? X1 won't come with Touchflow 3D, but there will be a chance that ROM "cookers" will make it available for the newer WM6.1 devices.
Third: what if SE buys the end product from HTC and puts its logo and name on it? I don't care until the device is top-notch
Posted by Dogmann
@norti,
What makes you believe that UIQ3.3 will still only be using 200mhz processors? As all the feed back given so far is that the next Gen UIQ 3.3 devices will indeed have up to date specs including faster processors.
Most if not all of us still prefer the UIQ interface and it's potential and were only really disappointed by the lack of up to date hardware and the lack of stability. If these two points are addressed in the soon to be announced UIQ 3.3 devices it is where many of us will look for our next devices.
This latest news about the X1 really isn't good and i wouldn't be to quick to discount the source either as Eldar tends to be very well informed.
Marc
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Posted by aksd
The new 3D shell on a shell TouchFlo 3D looks amazing
on the DIamond, pity its got only 4GB memory, if it had a mem card slot it would have been a kick ass phone . Prefer that UI to the current UIQ anyday, the current UIQ UI seems so........dated, WM can be freshened up with stuff like pointUI etc..
Anyway Marc, I would take Eldars word with a pinch of salt really, he mentioned that the X1 was running on WM 6.5 when it was first announced, not putting him down or anything, but sometimes even reliable sources might dish out un reliable info due to change in specs etc. from the manufacturers end. I suggest we wait a bit, they've got till september which is a long time in the tech world as you know.
Regarding the processor, I read somewhere(methinks unreliable) that its based on an Intel PXA270(hahahahhaha...........I seriously hope not), if it is based on the OMAP 3 series, has 192+MB RAM, Wifi b/g//n(hopefully) a decent cam, not those pieces of crap SE calls sensors in the current crop of cam phones, a decent screen which is transflective, I heard the new Diamond screen is hard, some type of glass(not capacitive though), etc... if it does'nt cover these basic requirements they'd be way of the mark, still lagging behind the N95 in terms of raw specs and bang for the buck.
Posted by Dups!
On 2008-05-06 20:54:45, Dogmann wrote:
...This latest news about the X1 really isn't good and i wouldn't be to quick to discount the source either as Eldar tends to be very well informed.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-06 19:54 ]
Often he is wrong. I agree with you that if he is right then this is really bad for SE. This was/is the one time I was/am willing to ignore the fact that this is a windows mobile device.
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
Actually this is what worries about SE now a days that they seem able to announce many great things it's the delivery that seems to let them down of late.
Jah posted this link to a SE event on another forum about a third of the way through the Head of Marketing demo's a X1 but pay attention to what he says and tell me what you think. As personally i find some of of his comments truly stunning.
Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZgZniWzdzQ
Marc
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Posted by WhyBe
Can someone post a link to this 'Eldar' info mentioned earlier?
Thanks
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Posted by WhyBe
I don't understand all of this X1 hate. To this date, no other manufacturer has produced or announced a device that equals or outspecs the X1 pound for pound....NOT EVEN HTC.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2008-05-06 21:50:19, WhyBe wrote:
Can someone post a link to this 'Eldar' info?
Thanks
No this info cant be posted. Infact im in trouble for just posting that much before.
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-06 21:56:48, bavlondon2 wrote:
On 2008-05-06 21:50:19, WhyBe wrote:
Can someone post a link to this 'Eldar' info?
Thanks
No this info cant be posted. Infact im in trouble for just posting that much before.
You're acting kind of suspicious.....
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-06 21:06 ]
Posted by Mige
the best cell... X1
Posted by Dogmann
@Whybe
I don't know who your comment is directed at but as i said announcing something is one thing delivering it as it should be is another.
So if what has been said is true the announcement counts for very little really but as always we should wait and see what is delivered before passing judgement one way or the other. But i must say i found the comments from the Head of marketing some what disturbing.
Marc
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Posted by WhyBe
Well since "the comments" are not readily accessible in this thread, or anywhere for that matter, I would question their validity. What was removed earlier sounded like fanboy/troll-talk as opposed to a business discussion or announcement by SE.
That Diamond TouchFlo interface, though nice looking, doesn't look anymore complete than Xperia's. They just show a picture browser, a homescreen and that's it.
The graphics seems to have the same jitters that are in the X1's (a little smoother though). I wonder if this is inherent in WM or just because both devices are still unfinished?
Why is the Diamond so underspec'ed compared to the X1? If HTC is indeed "making" the X1, I think now is the time for HTC to show SE "how it's done". I'm sorry, but , the Diamond is coming up short.
Looking at the size and specs of the Diamond, I can only applaud SE for doing such an amazing job on the X1. No one seems to have SE's "magic ingredient"
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Posted by imranbashir
The diamond is not made to compete with the Xperia. Your forgetting that the Diamond will come out next month, the Xperia will not be out until at least September (according to current reports anyway) so they cannot compete against each other.
The iPod 3G will be announced soon that will compete against the Xperia, and I reckon (my view only) that HTC will announce the Touch Pro after the announcement of iPod 3G with a release date that is very close to the Xperia. The real competition for Xperia will be the HTC Touch Pro.
It’s all a game of chess, why reduce the sales potential of your new product by announcing a better version will be out only a few months later!
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-06 22:57:52, imranbashir wrote:
...The real competition for Xperia will be the HTC Touch Pro.
The Touch Pro just adds a keyboard to the Diamond.
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Posted by imranbashir
I wouldn’t quite believe the current rumours surrounding the HTC Touch Pro. Remember that the HTC Touch Dual gained additional memory and a faster processor when compared with the original HTC Touch.
I don’t see why HC couldn’t / wouldn’t pull the same trick again, depending on the iPod 3G announcement. Anyway back on topic...
Tom Tom Navigator 6.032 on Xperia X1 is it possible?
Posted by WhyBe
Businesses succeed by being first to the punch (thus iPhone's success). Playing me too is not a good position to be in for any manufacturer. You would essentially be competing for the first manufacturer's table scraps (all other device makers vs Apple iPhone).
So if HTC indeed had something equal or superior to the X1, they need to announce it now and release it BEFORE X1. If they wait until Sony has developed brand recognition (very crucial for future success) with the X1, they will forever be playing catch-up/me-too game like Apple has done to it's smartphone competitors (including SE).
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Posted by imranbashir
Sorry but I disagree and here are my reasons. Apple success is down to a few things: -
1. Styling
2. Timing
3. Brand loyalty
Styling
All three devices (iPhone, Diamond, Xperia) are beautifully styled.
Timing
Apple announces their devices and then there available within a few weeks if not the very next day. There is no lull period where people are left waiting building up expectations only to have them smashed. Also it does not give time for another manufacturer to announce something better in the pipline...
HTC are doing the same with the diamond, prices are already available on Xpansys.
Sony Ericsson have announced their device back in march. I own an XDA Orbit and was going to upgrade to the Orbit 2, but when I heard about the Xperia, I decided to wait. Now that I know the diamond will be out in a month, I might as well buy that, and then move over to the Xperia next year, if nothing better is out, as it will be cheaper by then, and hopefully have some cooked ROMs.
The point I’m trying to make is now every manufacturer has the opportunity to announce something better while the Xperia is in its design stage. If the Xperia was announced in March and released April / May then that would have been a different story.
All HTC have to do is announce the Touch Pro in August and release it just before or at the same time as the Xperia.
Posted by WhyBe
These devices are designed over years of time...not whipped together in a couple of weeks. If the X1 is taking so long, then any similar device from any other manufacturer will take just as long unless they are rehashing some old technology or selling another manufacturer's device under their own name.
Apple iPhone success is not just brand loyalty. It's their FIRST phone, where did the loyalty come from, iPod kids?
X1 prices have been on Xpansys for quite some time now as well as in other places...means nothing.
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Posted by Dogmann
@Whybe
There is no price for the X1 on Expansys now and i have never seen one on there either, could you tell me what price you have seen at then. As all i have seen is speculation of what the price may be which really isn't surprising considering still how long away it is from launch.
Marc
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Posted by BobaFett
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=n[....]as%3Daps&field-keywords=xperia
Posted by WhyBe
All of the prices I have seen are in the $900 range. I'm sure they are speculative prices and not concrete. I don't keep a list of such sites but search Xperia X1 into Froogle. There are also links earlier in this thread.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-06 23:30 ]
Posted by BobaFett
u ll find only unofficial prices, guessings and junk, nothing else.
Posted by WhyBe
Yeah...what I said...
Posted by imranbashir
I never said the phones were whipped together in a few weeks. What I said was they should announce the phone and release it within a few weeks like HTC or Apple.
I see no advantage in showing your hand too early, if you do that, then other manufactures can modify a device that is currently in the design stage to make sure it is better then the one that has been announced. The only thing that is important is time to market, not that you announced a device first.
Yes the Xperia is better than the HTC Diamond, but as it stands the Diamond will be available in June, the Xperia in September, that’s nearly a whole quarter ahead. I could buy the Diamond, know that it will work reliably as its HTC’s bread and butter with great support from XDA-Developers, use it for six months by which time we will know if the Xperia has any issues with WVGA and if it’s possible to get any cooked ROMs on it such as to include TouchFLOW 3D. Sell my Diamond and buy the Xperia.
PS: By apple brand loyalty I did mean iPod kids as you called them!
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-06 23:28 ]
Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-05-07 00:25:35, imranbashir wrote:
...I see no advantage in showing your hand too early, if you do that, then other manufactures can modify a device that is currently in the design stage to make sure it is better then the one that has been announced. The only thing that is important is time to market, not that you announced a device first. ...
PS: By apple brand loyalty I did mean iPod kids as you called them!
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-06 23:28 ]
You make it seem as if these manufacturers can turn on a dime and change a device and release it quickly. It just doesn't work that way. All manufacturer have access to the same technology until patents become involved or they license a technology exclusively (iPhone Multitouch). I'm sure they don't just look at another manufacturers device specs, then whip together something a little better quickly and beat the other manufacturer to the market. Such devices would probably be crap.
I think the iPhone user base/demographics is a lot wider than just iPod users.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-06 23:55 ]