Posted by xell
Bit late to refer to these pics, but I think there you can clearly see the reason why the Windows logo was removed from the softkey on the official pics.
Posted by Residentevil
Any new word on a release date?
Posted by razec
On 2008-04-21 11:55:46, misato wrote:
On 2008-04-20 00:24:56, razec wrote:
Does this phone X1 also have tha SE Menu?
Actually there are many types of SE menu that was implemented, what type are ou referring to? the regular SE UI menu? XMB? Camera UI menu?
Regular SE UI menu
Thanks
I think X1 will use the standard WM menu, however we aren't sure if SE won't port their own Menu UI to it. given the fact that SE had touched the Camera, Media Manager, Panels and etc. i'm pretty sure SE would enclose their standard dedicated Menu to replace the WM's. SE knows how ugly(looks wise, take note: "Looks") WM UI is compared to a typical SE UI.
if that happens then the this would be more SEish.. not WMish...
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Posted by @ftyk
the xperia is nothing but a guinea pig orphaned by microsoft it's mother, mistreated by sony ericsson the surrogate mother & will finally be massacred by nokia the step-mother.
Posted by Residentevil
Nice theory.
Posted by NightBlade
On 2008-04-22 20:28:44, @ftyk wrote:
the xperia is nothing but a guinea pig orphaned by microsoft it's mother, mistreated by sony ericsson the surrogate mother & will finally be massacred by nokia the step-mother.
Interesting... interpretation..?
Posted by Residentevil
Anything on a release date yet?
Posted by BobaFett
it will be out...
one day...
as usually at se...
Posted by mario2004
I belive there are stil problems with the 'panels'. (Incidentally the only part where SE is involved). If we are lucky we should see it 'in a shop near you' before christmas. Alternatively you can buy a preproduction model if you look 'hard' enough
I am waiting for the non SE branded version. HTC will announce shortly at least 3 top end devices, one of them very similar in function to xperia (minus the panels of course)
Posted by Indiandawg
if am not wrong in United States for 3G network a smartphone needs WCDMA 850/1900
will 3G work in United States if i buy xperia from India when it gets launched and any idea when is it getting launched?
Posted by BobaFett
maybe around xmas...
Posted by Indiandawg
thats too late.. i got P1 but i heard the 3G in P1 wont work in US cause it doesn't have WCDMA 850/1900
Posted by anonymuser
Looking at the last couple of pages, how has this topic degenerated into such unfounded gibberish?
Firstly, it supports micro SDHC, it's always supported micro SDHC, that's been very clearly stated and highlighted from the start.
Secondly, of course it won't have the "standard SE UI" - this is a Windows Mobile device. It will have the Windows Mobile UI, enhanced through the Panels system (essentially a Today screen add-on). As a Windows Mobile device competing directly with other Windows Mobile phones from HTC and others, it will sport standard Windows Mobile features - hence the micro SDHC support, mini-USB jack, and full-blown WinMo interface under the panels. This is not a toy phone for SE fanboys, it's a pro device!
Thirdly, there is no "non-branded" HTC version of this phone, both sides have made it quite clear that this is an SE device designed entirely by SE from the ground up, HTC are merely the OEM. They didn't create this phone and they have no right to brand it as anything else.
Of course HTC may have competing devices in the works, but with the sloppy job they've done on hardware support in their current range, I'm much more inclined to believe SE's new flagship will have the edge.
Posted by Dups!
On 2008-04-23 10:55:14, Boinng wrote:
Looking at the last couple of pages, how has this topic degenerated into such unfounded gibberish?
Firstly, it supports micro SDHC, it's always supported micro SDHC, that's been very clearly stated and highlighted from the start.
Secondly, of course it won't have the "standard SE UI" - this is a Windows Mobile device. It will have the Windows Mobile UI, enhanced through the Panels system (essentially a Today screen add-on). As a Windows Mobile device competing directly with other Windows Mobile phones from HTC and others, it will sport standard Windows Mobile features - hence the micro SDHC support, mini-USB jack, and full-blown WinMo interface under the panels. This is not a toy phone for SE fanboys, it's a pro device!
Thirdly, there is no "non-branded" HTC version of this phone, both sides have made it quite clear that this is an SE device designed entirely by SE from the ground up, HTC are merely the OEM. They didn't create this phone and they have no right to brand it as anything else.
Of course HTC may have competing devices in the works, but with the sloppy job they've done on hardware support in their current range, I'm much more inclined to believe SE's new flagship will have the edge.
EXACTLY!!
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Watch out!! Boinng is on fire!!
Posted by Keiki
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Its quad band wcdma & gsm, you can use it at US
Btw, X1 xperia will hit the market at 2nd half of this year. Confirmed by SE at the official press release today
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/press/pressreleases/pressreleasedetails/q108semcfinancialsrelease-20080423
Posted by Dogmann
Hi all
I thought we all knew that! but that means anytime between 1st June to 31st December doesn't it quite a large window there then.
Maybe we should run a sweepstake with all monies buying X1's and the winners for getting it right or closest get the X1's how ever many we get in relation to the funds received get shared out.
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-04-23 05:41:29, mario2004 wrote:
I belive there are stil problems with the 'panels'. (Incidentally the only part where SE is involved). If we are lucky we should see it 'in a shop near you' before christmas. Alternatively you can buy a preproduction model if you look 'hard' enough
I am waiting for the non SE branded version. HTC will announce shortly at least 3 top end devices, one of them very similar in function to xperia (minus the panels of course)
Will the HTC version use the SE patents or HTC's own?
Posted by mario2004
Which 'patents' exactly?If you mean the panels and se logo,Htc won't bother with that (or certainly hope so)
@ Dogman, I am with you on that one
Posted by iksplusipsilon
HTC have its own "UI", think the name is Manilla or something ... New, not yet announced model ( Engadget, yesterday or early today news for those who are interested ... sorry, can't post link now ) is loking to me more SE than some SE devices and it should be out in North America at about the same time as X1. It "only" has VGA screen though :-) . X1 will definetly not have easy time when released ...
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Posted by WhyBe
On 2008-04-24 00:05:42, mario2004 wrote:
Which 'patents' exactly?If you mean the panels and se logo,Htc won't bother with that (or certainly hope so)
@ Dogman, I am with you on that one
I mean all of the hardware patents.
Have you noticed no other company has announced a device equally spec'd to the X1? I'm not talking about future devices that are blog speculations, but actual devices that are literally announced for release and will match X1 spec for spec? If any company had such a device...NOW IS THE TIME TO ANNOUNCE IT.
Sony did an overall great job on the Pseries (and many other electronic devices they've made, for that matter), so I don't see why some say SE is incapable of developing something like the X1 themselves. IOW, I believe SE has a superior pedigree to HTC's. I'm sure SE's use of HTC as the manufacturer of the X1 is pure financial strategy. This is a common practice in the business world.
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Posted by BobaFett
@theos
here u are, this is manila
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=164150#post2245654
Posted by iksplusipsilon
@Boba Yes, that's it ( had to get out of bed to look at that link #*@?!$WAPïū§ ) ! Thank you :-) !
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Posted by spine6
can we used it in japan?
Posted by mario2004
I can't belive people who think they know whats going on still confuse ericsson sony and sonyericsson. Actually ericsson had a bigger market share then sony before they decided to jointly start SE. Just read my previous post over and over and eventually you'll get the idea. Are you aware that both parent companies expect a payback from SE? Both Ericsson and Sony write down all they do/give for se and expect the investment to come back with interest ! You can't say Sony or Ericsson did a great job with the P-series. Yes,they may have done a (arguably) good job by 'creating' se but that is where it stops. The P-series has been designed by SE hired persons and not ericsson or sony ones. (it may be that some may have originated from sony or ericsson or even nokia)
Posted by anonymuser
On 2008-04-24 15:01:00, mario2004 wrote:
I can't belive people who think they know whats going on still confuse ericsson sony and sonyericsson. Actually ericsson had a bigger market share then sony before they decided to jointly start SE. Just read my previous post over and over and eventually you'll get the idea. Are you aware that both parent companies expect a payback from SE? Both Ericsson and Sony write down all they do/give for se and expect the investment to come back with interest ! You can't say Sony or Ericsson did a great job with the P-series. Yes,they may have done a (arguably) good job by 'creating' se but that is where it stops. The P-series has been designed by SE hired persons and not ericsson or sony ones. (it may be that some may have originated from sony or ericsson or even nokia)
WTH has any of that got to do with anything else in this thread? Get off your broken soapbox and take a lie down somewhere, leave the analysis to those of us that at least try to make sense.
That point you were trying to make before, about how this is an HTC device rather than SE? It's old, it's tired, it's totally misinformed, and it just makes you look stupid. Try another tack.
PS - if you "knew what's going on" you'd know that the origin of the P series was an entirely Ericsson design, seen in prototype form before the joint venture was ever guessed at. UIQ predates both the JV and the P800 which that prototype eventually became.
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Posted by aksd
On 2008-04-24 15:01:00, mario2004 wrote:
I can't belive people who think they know whats going on still confuse ericsson sony and sonyericsson. Actually ericsson had a bigger market share then sony before they decided to jointly start SE. Just read my previous post over and over and eventually you'll get the idea. Are you aware that both parent companies expect a payback from SE? Both Ericsson and Sony write down all they do/give for se and expect the investment to come back with interest ! You can't say Sony or Ericsson did a great job with the P-series. Yes,they may have done a (arguably) good job by 'creating' se but that is where it stops. The P-series has been designed by SE hired persons and not ericsson or sony ones. (it may be that some may have originated from sony or ericsson or even nokia)
I love your posts, it adds a bit of humour to the thread
. I always thought the Ericsson Sony and Sony Ericsson were one and the same , although I know that Ericsson is a different company from Sony Ericsson .
This thread is not about debating the achievements of SE, its about the X1. You are so naive, you actually think Nokia or any other company build each and every component in house? Each component is made by a different company and assembled by the manufacturer. Why is this such a big issue for you? A lot of the production orders is out sourced by most manufacturers from cars to phones. A product is good if the person who buys it likes it, not by the brand or who manufactured it.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]s_a_video_handson-news-491.php
Posted by @ftyk
@boinng, even i think se will do a better job with the x1 than the sloppy devices htc, imate & o2 have been churning out.
when i say sloppy it's in regards with hardware mostly.
mwg, the new name for o2 can only be rated once the mwg atom v is out.
@whybe, the amount of time that se elaspses between announcement & availability can be a killer.
o2 released the o2 atom way earlier than the p990i with identical features & a bit cheaper.
usually in the specifications of a phone running on the windows mobile platform the processor in the phone is mentioned.
any idea what kind of processor goes into the x1?
Posted by aksd
A qucik look at the spec list will tell you that. A Qualcomm MSM7200A System on Chip dual processor, ARM11 528Mhz Application porcessor and an ARM9 200 and something processor for the Radio
Posted by Dups!
On 2008-04-24 18:17:40, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-04-24 15:01:00, mario2004 wrote:
I can't belive people who think they know whats going on still confuse ericsson sony and sonyericsson. Actually ericsson had a bigger market share then sony before they decided to jointly start SE. Just read my previous post over and over and eventually you'll get the idea. Are you aware that both parent companies expect a payback from SE? Both Ericsson and Sony write down all they do/give for se and expect the investment to come back with interest ! You can't say Sony or Ericsson did a great job with the P-series. Yes,they may have done a (arguably) good job by 'creating' se but that is where it stops. The P-series has been designed by SE hired persons and not ericsson or sony ones. (it may be that some may have originated from sony or ericsson or even nokia)
WTH has any of that got to do with anything else in this thread? Get off your broken soapbox and take a lie down somewhere, leave the analysis to those of us that at least try to make sense.
That point you were trying to make before, about how this is an HTC device rather than SE? It's old, it's tired, it's totally misinformed, and it just makes you look stupid. Try another tack.
PS - if you "knew what's going on" you'd know that the origin of the P series was an entirely Ericsson design, seen in prototype form before the joint venture was ever guessed at. UIQ predates both the JV and the P800 which that prototype eventually became.
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Yes, as a matter of the P800 is/was derived from the Ericsson R380s/world.
Mario you crak me up!
Posted by @ftyk
i'll be damned, i could swear i saw none of all that on the specifications page on the se site.
Posted by aksd
Its on the whitepaper on the dev site, not on the main SE site or you can refer here http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1117&view=1
Posted by C905
On 2008-04-23 10:55:14, Boinng wrote:
Looking at the last couple of pages, how has this topic degenerated into such unfounded gibberish?
Firstly, it supports micro SDHC, it's always supported micro SDHC, that's been very clearly stated and highlighted from the start.
Secondly, of course it won't have the "standard SE UI" - this is a Windows Mobile device. It will have the Windows Mobile UI, enhanced through the Panels system (essentially a Today screen add-on). As a Windows Mobile device competing directly with other Windows Mobile phones from HTC and others, it will sport standard Windows Mobile features - hence the micro SDHC support, mini-USB jack, and full-blown WinMo interface under the panels. This is not a toy phone for SE fanboys, it's a pro device!
Thirdly, there is no "non-branded" HTC version of this phone, both sides have made it quite clear that this is an SE device designed entirely by SE from the ground up, HTC are merely the OEM. They didn't create this phone and they have no right to brand it as anything else.
Of course HTC may have competing devices in the works, but with the sloppy job they've done on hardware support in their current range, I'm much more inclined to believe SE's new flagship will have the edge.
Exactly
Posted by hgautam
Anyone, any idea about the icons that will be used in final X1????
I really don't like the looks of the default icons and was consirdering X1 as my next phone... Just like SE uses their own icons in UIQ, will they do the same with X1 as well???
Posted by Pop Lover
anyone Knows if X1 Support TV/Out through the Mini USB?!
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Posted by Cyber.bee
I donīt understand all these people complaining about the X1 while they donīt even have seen/used it!
I think that it will be a great device for at least all professionals and not only these fanboys who want a mobile phone/smartphone as a replace for their digicam or videocam.
In my professional usage I donīt need a cam at all, but I will love this device for its superior design, the wm 6.1 (since I need DirectPush with MS Exchange) and the good battery life besides the obviously fantastic display! The O2 XDA sucks in terms of battery life!
And not to forget to mention: unlike HTC SE has licenced the graphics drivers for the Qualcomm proz.! That will be the main advantage compared to the current HTC models... have a look at http://www.htcclassaction.org
cheers.
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Posted by Yakkaimono
@ Pop Lover
AFAIK X1 won't support TV/Out.
There isn't anything on the whitepaper about it.
But if I'm wrong and the X1 supports TV/Out then it would be most likely through the 3.5 mm audio jack I think.
Posted by @ftyk
@cyber.bee,
i too hope that the x1 is a great device, at least for se's sake.
i remember there was the same kind of hype & anticipation around the p990i & later there was no dearth of so called p990i bashers.
o2 did not listen to or care about customer woes & they finally shut down which is why i hope se is listening.
i'm keeping my fingers crossed for se to announce a camera free x1.
Posted by Coquito
On 2008-04-25 12:02:42, Cyber.bee wrote:
I donīt understand all these people complaining about the X1 while they donīt even have seen/used it!
That s very common here
thats the reason I dont trust in some people coments anymore, all they say is only negative things about SE phones even if they never seem/used.
Do You read Esato forum every day?
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Posted by spark9990
Looks like we have another dud smart pda phone.
as you will see from the video, the X1 is desperately crying for some dedicated video acceleration.
Looks like HTC have messed things up for Sony Ericcson.
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Posted by razec
On 2008-04-26 01:42:19, spark9990 wrote:
Looks like we have another dud smart pda phone.
as you will see from the video, the X1 is desperately crying for some dedicated video acceleration.
Looks like HTC have messed things up for Sony Ericcson.
http://www.theunwired.net/?it[....]-windows-mobile-6-1-smartphone
[ This Message was edited by: spark9990 on 2008-04-26 00:44 ]
X1 does have video acceleration!, VGA video recording is only possible with the help of it. in X1 whitepaper it is clearly stated that the device records VGA30Fps video so it's pretty obvious that it does use it
GSMArena opinions were always full of their personal theories...
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-04-25 18:03:47, Yakkaimono wrote:
@ Pop Lover
AFAIK X1 won't support TV/Out.
There isn't anything on the whitepaper about it.
But if I'm wrong and the X1 supports TV/Out then it would be most likely through the 3.5 mm audio jack I think.
WM imate 9502 has tv/out (also a htc device). But ur right whitepaper says nothing about it for X1. Hopefully they will add the spec in the next version of X1.
Posted by rontysee
Hey guys, i m new around here but i have been reading through this entire forum and have gained a lot of knowledge about xperia. I would like to discuss my theory about the lag in the video. There are 2 versions of x1, the american and the international one. What i believe is that the american model does not have the accelerator while the other has it. The american version does not record videos at vga 30fps. I also noticed that the models displayed at gsma had smoother animations than those at ctia. Most probably the recent video had the american model.
Posted by max_wedge
you might be onto something. I've also heard reference to two video modes - one that uses acceleration and one that doesn't. The non-accelerated only uses 15fps. I'm not sure where I heard that and can't find the reference. It might even be about another phone.
Posted by mib1800
I thought some reported that X1 can only record VGA @30fps when recording in poor quality 3gpp video format. When the higher quality mp4 format is used, then it can only do VGA @ 15fps.
Posted by max_wedge
yep that's what I heard too, maybe that's what I was thinking of?
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Posted by Yakkaimono
Found something on the white paper concerning the US version.
It will support MPEG4 @ VGA 30fps, H.263 @ QVGA 24fps and H.264 is not supported.
In the normal version H.264 is supprted @ VGA 15fps.
Posted by Nitro Fan
For a number of reasons I cannot disclose names, BUT I have been told by a very senior guy at Ericsson that
make the X1 on the back of an HTC chipset! and I quote "if you think the X1 is cool wait till you see what we are bringing out next year it will totally blow you and the market away!"
He declined to go into more detail, but he was very very excited. Lets wait and see, but knowing this guy and his position I am now also very excited!
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Posted by max_wedge
sounds promising