Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-03-11 14:33:46, max_wedge wrote:
That's the beauty of standards - you don't necessarily have to change everything when you change just one thing
There will no doubt be some unique X1 accessories made by SE, probably some will be usb mini plug versions of fastport accessories. Also I'm sure some fastport accessories just won't be available in usb mini plug form anywhere.
But overall the incompatibility pains will be less than the compatibility gains in switching to usb mini plug.
That's the beauty of standards - you don't necessarily have to change everything when you change just one thing
Here Here!
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-03-11 16:37:06, Dogmann wrote:
@Nitro Fan
Simple really if you don't want to move to a new platform or more standardised accessories DONT, no one is forcing you to. Now if you are angry at SE for not being able to enforce thier propriety connections on a devcie they are not producing themselves tell them but i seriously doubt it will make any difference.
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OK you clearly do not understand where I am coming from.
The point is WHY? as it will mean loyal customers who wish to move to that device will incur a lot of extra costs. We all know why it does not use M2 we all know about mini USB etc etc what I dont get is WHY it makes no sense to move to HTC and WM other than to
who get to sell more kit.
Standards are GOOD I am all in favour of them it is
taking the P**s I am annoyed about. They only just moved the P series onto fastport and M2 at the design stage they could have easily chosen standards over a proprietary route! but the latter makes them more money!
I am lucky, I specify and buy kit so I can get pretty much what ever I want, but what about those who pay for this c**p with their own hard earned?
I do not think it is good enough,
As for letting
know my feelings rearrange these into a well known phrase or saying. wind p*****g the into
Posted by max_wedge
I don't think X1 is intended to replace P series as the high end smartphone from SE. It runs parallel to P series not instead of - so therefore UIQ/FASTPORT fans will still have the option of high end phones, and won't have to waste their fastport accessories.
Diehard SE UIQ fans will not be interested in X1. And if they are, well frankly they probably can afford accessories anyway.
Even Nokia themselves have different connectors for their phones. Infact they are pretty bad at that. SE is way more consistant than most OEM's at keeping their connectors and accessories compatible across their line up.
I think SE would miss far more potential sales of X1 if they used the proprietary SE connector than if they use usb mini plug, so I don't see they have much choice in the matter tbh.
Posted by mib1800
If given a choice SE would definitely like to use proprietary connectors on the X1 because it allows them to make more money. Then again SE only slap a badge on the X1 so they have no choice in this matter. Get over it and welcome to the "open" world.
Posted by max_wedge
SE have done more than slap a badge on the X1
They have significant input into design, as is the case of any HTC. Just compare a HP HTC unit such as the HW6500, to an XDA handset such as the XDA Mini - completely different quality levels, different materials used, different design elements. The design elements of the HP HTC's follow HP design trends, the XDA HTC's follow XDA design trends.
It's like comparing apples and oranges.
The slider design, the panels interface, the button arrangements, are all unique and pure SE. (though I believe the panel interface runs over the "touchflo" touch interface designed by HTC)
The X1 retention of USB Mini Plug is not because the device is a HTC. The HP HW6500 doesn't have a usb mini plug, it has a proprietary HP connector. The USB Mini plug has been retained on purpose by SE because they are aiming at the WM market which generally has a high demand for standard connector types (HP themselves have always been proprietary - more proprietary even than SE, as the X1 proves - but most other WM devices use usb mini plug)
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Posted by razec
@max
I strongly believe the X1 camera module was build by Sony. it's simply ridiculous to use a weaker camera module in X1 while Sony has lots of experiences in making camera modules. esp. that their 3mp phones produces excellent pics anyway. what do you think?
@mib:
I really laughed on your sentences. that's what haters tends to do when they glimpsed good things on their opposition
Anyway you forgot the HSDPA/HSUPA antenna - I don't think HTC has the capability to develop this thing.tbh i can only think of one company capable of doing this: Ericsson
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-13 07:22:34, razec wrote:
@max
I strongly believe the X1 camera module was build by Sony. it's simply ridiculous to use a weaker camera module in X1 while Sony has lots of experiences in making camera modules. esp. that their 3mp phones produces excellent pics anyway. what do you think?
razec, I indeed hope you are right. Because the camera on every HTC I have ever owned or played with is utter crap. The 1.3MP camera on my HP is about the same quality as my old T610.
It's my feeling that SE will have contributed a camera module, but it could go either way. I think it would be a bit of a mistake if SE let the X1 be given a camera such as the once's I've seen so far from HTC. It would make a mockery of the X1's high end styling and formfactor.
Posted by Creid
male MINI USB TO FASTPORT female ADAPTER possible ?
Posted by txmrolf
BEWARE!!!!...again...this same "underground" marketing was used for P990i, if you disagree then you have already been fooled. BEWARE!!!!... same thing happened, and again is happening. X1 is the next P990.
Posted by themarques
The reason for the switch from things like fastport was discussed here sometime back and also extensively in the courts. The agreement was that phone providers were given a certain period to standardize their charges etc to make it universal il find the article later i'm sure someone will before me.
Posted by spine6
Does the X1 already have a whitepaper? The X1 is a promising phone for WM users who wants to migrate to another brand of phone but same OS. I really hope it will not happen like us P990i users to X1..
Posted by BoyBawang
Probably because SEs implementation of UIQ 3.0 is tied and optimized for the Phillips Nexperia 200MHZ CPU. P5i needs a faster processor therefore will cost them time and resources to rebuild the interface for it.
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-13 21:43:12, txmrolf wrote:
BEWARE!!!!...again...this same "underground" marketing was used for P990i, if you disagree then you have already been fooled. BEWARE!!!!... same thing happened, and again is happening. X1 is the next P990.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that X1 will have the same delays and problems at release as the P990. There are no parallel's whatsoever and you are simply scaremongering.
On 2008-03-13 22:51:26, themarques wrote:
The reason for the switch from things like fastport was discussed here sometime back and also extensively in the courts. The agreement was that phone providers were given a certain period to standardize their charges etc to make it universal il find the article later i'm sure someone will before me.
That's simplt not true. Courts cannot force manufacturers to adopt standards. There is pressure from industry lobby groups to standardise chargers, but this is by no means a court enforced agreement. Infact it's not the mini-usb plug that is being pushed as the standard for all cellphones, it's the micro-usb. So get your facts straight.
The fact is there is currently no standard, and usb-mini operates only as a defacto standard. If the Open Mobile Terminal Platform (OMTP) group are successfuil, then micro-usb will be adopted broadly across the industry, which will make all existing mini-usb accessories incompatible with new cellphones.
Talk of industry standard charger connectors is only relevant to future devices, not those already on the drawing board (or in the market now).
Posted by famous12
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
When is sony going to come out with a cybershot smartphone or a 5mp+xenon
walkman ? ?
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Well the G900 isn't a "Cybershot" if that means anything, but it does have a 5MP camera with quite a remarkable camera interface and I'm expecting that apart from the lack of a xenon flash, its camera will be better than the K850i, especially with the cool touch focus feature.
Posted by Singapore_Air
For a person that hasn't wanted to pay the price premium for the Apple brand and the iPhone fashion statement because he derives no value from it, the SonyEricsson XPERIA X1 is a long-awaited welcome!
The touchscreen interface great as is the fact that the screen is 3" diagonally (though 0.2" smaller than the iPhone?). The inclusion of octo-band(?) network compatability will be great for international roaming and the aGPS is nice since I don't need it apart from when I'm bored or lost.
Web browsing with wi-fi will be very convenient though I haven't seen a screenshot of it happenning in horizontal mode yet.
Being pro-Microsoft, the inclusion of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 is a great feature and together with the XPERIA 'experience' UI combines a good balance between multimedia functionality and the positioning as a business/go-getter's/early-adopter's smartphone.
The 3.2MP camera without LCD flash is a slight shortcoming but can be forgiven easily unless you're videoing a chav fight outside the bars on a Friday night.
All together, I think the X1 represents a fantastic value proposition and one which I would pay a (reasonable) premium for. I started with a Nokia 3210, then progressed to the wonderful P900, then the Nokia 7710, then to my current Motorola something (as the 7710 got stolen after three years service). I'll hold out for the X1 which will bring me back to SonyEricsson.
KUDOS.
Posted by razec
@Singapore_Air:
The camera has a LED flash
and yeah i'm sure having an HSUPA bandwidth is something you'll get excited as well
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
When is sony going to come out with a cybershot smartphone or a 5mp+xenon
walkman ? ?
Fair enough, SE have made the G900 for you instead
Posted by Singapore_Air
Ahh an LED flash - great. Not an LCD - sorry, late night.
And enough with the 9-panel experience already! We get it.
Too many X1 Youtube videos
Posted by Dogmann
@Razec
As so many where happy to tell me that HSDPA missing wasn't important in UIQ smart phones and correct me if I' wrong but i don't think the yet launched G series has HSDPA or does it?
Many where and are happy to claim that plain old 3G was and is just as good would you care to explain just why you think HSUPA is going to be just so wonderful and useful for most of us? As while i still believe that HSDPA offers great benefits HSUPA i really can't see the benefit of in the same way and think a very small amount of users will find any use for it.
Also don't you find it strange that SE can announce a smart phone with all the latest tech in a new platform for them but not in thier own UIQ smart phone platform. Just why is all this tech great in the new platform yet not needed in UIQ?
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Posted by max_wedge
HSUPA is an improvement of the HSDPA performance of most HSDPA handsets - up to 5Mbps (compared to most HSDPA handsets which are 3Mbps) 14.4Mbps is the theoretical speed of HSDPA, not necessarily the speed of HSDPA handsets.
RE: X1, has GPS not yet seen in a UIQ phone, and HSDPA. The high screen resolution comes from the formfactor (and the need to keep the dot pitch equal or better than a candybar). The inclusion of VGA video is probably due to the 400MHz processor compared to 208 of P1!
Other than that, the G900 has the same or better tech, so it's not true to say they reserve all the good stuff for the X1.
Posted by hgautam
@Singapore_Air
What is a LCD Flash????
Heard of LED, Xenon and the new photo flash but never of a LCD one???
Posted by Dogmann
@Max
Sorry but while the speeds you quote are nearly right that is not what HSUPA is not even close. HUSPA is an additional service to the HSPDA speed improvement protocols.
What HSUPA offers is the ability for up link transfer rates of up to 5.76 Mbps as this is what HUSPA stands for High Speed Uplink Packet Access HSDPA even without HSUPA is able to offer download speed of up to14.4Mbps and is not dependant on HSUPA being supported.
That is why i was asking why he felt HSUPA was so great as how many of us are there that will be uploading data to make use of this speed increase? Unlike HSDPA which as you know i value as most of us download things all the time but uploading i really don't see most of us doing that very often if ever, except maybe a few pictures or some data to our blogs neither of which really are require the huge speed and bandwidth offered by HSUPA.
For a full and prop definition more information can be found here
http://www.freescale.com/weba[....].jsp?nodeId=02XPgQ750882662622
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Posted by Singapore_Air
On 2008-03-17 14:46:05, hgautam wrote:
@Singapore_Air
What is a LCD Flash????
Heard of LED, Xenon and the new photo flash but never of a LCD one???
Sorry, as above, I corrected myself. I meant LED flash.
Posted by famous12
On 2008-03-17 02:53:55, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
When is sony going to come out with a cybershot smartphone or a 5mp+xenon
walkman ? ?
Fair enough, SE have made the G900 for you instead
bro you are right but....... ! ! ! G900 is not for USA
:(:( it doesnt have any GSM 850 band
Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-17 15:28:18, Dogmann wrote:
@Max
Sorry but while the speeds you quote are nearly right that is not what HSUPA is not even close. HUSPA is an additional service to the HSPDA speed improvement protocols.
What HSUPA offers is the ability for up link transfer rates of up to 5.76 Mbps as this is what HUSPA stands for High Speed Uplink Packet Access HSDPA even without HSUPA is able to offer download speed of up to14.4Mbps and is not dependant on HSUPA being supported.
That is why i was asking why he felt HSUPA was so great as how many of us are there that will be uploading data to make use of this speed increase? Unlike HSDPA which as you know i value as most of us download things all the time but uploading i really don't see most of us doing that very often if ever, except maybe a few pictures or some data to our blogs neither of which really are require the huge speed and bandwidth offered by HSUPA.
The point I am making is that HSDPA speed depends on the handset too, not just the network infrastructure. Most HSDPA handsets in the west are capable of no more than 3Mbps. You can't look at a phone's spec list, see HSDPA and assume the phone can download at 14.4Mbps!
I didn't realise HSUPA was uplink only, my bad. However an uplink speed of 5.7Mbps makes video uploads, vpn access, remote access, video calls, video messaging faster and more efficient. And handsets that have HSUPA are likely to have faster iterations of HSDPA (faster than the usual 3Mbps)
True the average consumer won't care much about these things NOW, but that is my exact argument as to why HSDPA is not sought after by the average end user just yet - ie: 3G already services most consumers adequately and the average mobile phone user is a relatively unsophisticated consumer of mobile broadband.
Video Calling for example hasn't taken on because it's no more than a gimmick. When it's better quality, it will become more widely used. Likewise with other kinds of upload services. So HSUPA has a large role to play in the growing mobile broadband market.
AS it says in your link "in order to get users to upgrade their handsets and pay a premium for higher-speed services, network operators will need to invent and market new, compelling services. HSDPA and HSUPA can help them do just this. Higher data rates will enable more complex applications and a richer end user experience. 3GPP Releases 5 and 6 also specify a wide range of speeds that device manufacturers can take advantage of to provide different services at different rates"
It's the future services to come that are going to make HSDPA (and HSUPA) strongly in demand.
BTW, for myself, HSUPA would be a booon, since I plan to use remote access to monitor customer servers from my phone handset. Currently the uplink speed of HSDPA is a limitation. But I'm not a typical user.
Posted by Dogmann
@Max
Actually most devcies up to know have only supported up to 3.6Mbps speeds but as the Networks have now upgraded to 7.2Mbps some devcies are now starting to appear that support this although currently it is mostly USB Modems that support the 7.2Mmbps speed.
As the networks continue to develop their Networks abilities we should start to see more devices that can take advantage of these increased speeds currently i don't know of any Networks that have yet upgraded to offer HSUPA. We must remember whilst the X1 spec will support this the devcie still isn't due till much later this year and I'm pretty sure by then it will not be the only device that does so.
Personally i still think HSDPA is far more important than HSUPA as most of us will download far more than we upload at least currently although that may also change over time. As currently most Photo or Video upload sites decrease the quality and size of what we upload any way. But as we get the ability to record in HD and bandwidth expands we may well find we can start to upload in full resolution at which point HSUPA will come into it's own as a important improvement to the tech we use.
I do how ever disagree i really don't think an increase in quality will drive Video calling i think Video calling is just limited by practicality and convenience plus a limited use fullness. For instance walking down the street Video whilst on a Video call is not appealing, as is driving whilst on a Video call. In fact the only time i can really see it being useful is if a parent is away from home and wants to see his kid's and wish them good night that's about the only application i see being in demand.
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Posted by max_wedge
On 2008-03-18 01:16:30, Dogmann wrote:
@Max
Actually most devcies up to know have only supported up to 3.6Mbps speeds but as the Networks have now upgraded to 7.2Mbps some devcies are now starting to appear that support this although currently it is mostly USB Modems that support the 7.2Mmbps speed.
As the networks continue to develop their Networks abilities we should start to see more devices that can take advantage of these increased speeds currently i don't know of any Networks that have yet upgraded to offer HSUPA. We must remember whilst the X1 spec will support this the devcie still isn't due till much later this year and I'm pretty sure by then it will not be the only device that does so.
It's services such as navigation, media download, streaming etc that drive mobile internet use, not web browsing. And these services are for now, well serviced by existing 3G. (on such small screens, even web browsing that does qwork, is well serviced by 3G)
Personally i still think HSDPA is far more important than HSUPA as most of us will download far more than we upload at least currently although that may also change over time. As currently most Photo or Video upload sites decrease the quality and size of what we upload any way. But as we get the ability to record in HD and bandwidth expands we may well find we can start to upload in full resolution at which point HSUPA will come into it's own as a important improvement to the tech we use.
I agree with this, no argument, but I'm just saying it's changing. By the time X1 comes out, it will probably have an edge (no pun intended) over non-hsupa handsets.
I do how ever disagree i really don't think an increase in quality will drive Video calling i think Video calling is just limited by practicality and convenience plus a limited use fullness. For instance walking down the street Video whilst on a Video call is not appealing, as is driving whilst on a Video call. In fact the only time i can really see it being useful is if a parent is away from home and wants to see his kid's and wish them good night that's about the only application i see being in demand.
Video calling is a service yet to come into it's own, but when mobile broadband is cheap and ubiquitous, it will just be a part of a normal phone call. You won't look at the screen the whole call, but you will glance at it occasionally for example if the person on the other end wants to show you something that is happening at their end, or a music event poster or some other thing that can't be trasnmitted as easily with words.
It's hard to see it now, but people said the same thing about texting. I can remember people telling me that texting would never take off. I can remember people telling me that MOBILE PHONES would never take off!!
As the tech improves it becomes a seemless addition to everyday life and what used to seem absurd becomes normal. I absolutely believe video calling will become common, but it will only do so once 90% of phones have video calling and the prices are as cheap as normal calls.
Posted by razec
On 2008-03-16 03:09:07, famous12 wrote:
Xperia is not worth buying....for me that is
Reasons:
1) No 5MP camera No Xenon Flash
2) No Fastport No M2
3) Made by HTC
4) Ugly Windows mobile interface inside
i would like to react on the 3rd and 4th reason from famous's opinion. have you seen the Asus ZX1 phone? the phone's animated 3D cube UI is basically a new feature of the WindowsMobile 6.1 which is called the Carousel UI. X1's Xperia Panel was designed by SE to compliment on the user friendliness as well as the modernization of the Plain old used-to-be windows GUI. and we only had seen few videos of the X1 UI though ASUS's one is fair enough to prove that WM 6.1 has a newer and better looking UIs than the past windows versions
And tbh i don't think SE basically makes it's phones but they have ODM makers to design their ideal phones while the rest like the camera, LCD etc were components which were possibly developed by SE or Sony(camera,Battery) or Ericsson(platform or the antenna and so on) for release. and HTC happens to be the most popular ODM maker that's why it appears that X1 is the only SE phone that was not made by SE which is imho false perception
Posted by Tigershark42
Someone said 'okay, its got 9 screens, we get it'. I totally agree with this. SE have really been milking that 9 screen thing, and although it looks pretty, I dont see it as being the most convenient ever replacement for a bog standard menu. Besides, how often will one be sitting there staring at that screen!? Youll just use it for a sec to get to what you want. Still, its a shame that SE simply arent allowed to show more of the handset's UI.
Posted by max_wedge
I'd be inclined to disable the panels and return to the normal old WM today screen (if possible, and given the usually flexibility of WM ui I'd say it will be possible.)
Posted by aksd
RE: X1, has GPS not yet seen in a UIQ phone, and HSDPA. The high screen resolution comes from the formfactor (and the need to keep the dot pitch equal or better than a candybar). The inclusion of VGA video is probably due to the 400MHz processor compared to 208 of P1!
THe VGA video will be implemented if and only if the 3D drivers for the Qualcomm processor are implememnted. And the processor is 520Mhz not 400, its an updated version of the MSM 7200 known as the MSM 7200A, BUT without the 3D drivers its absolutely useless(you can search for HTC TyTnII video problems on google).
Regards,
Akshay
Posted by BobaFett
imo this will be the longest thread ever on esato
it will be out at xmas first and so long the discussion will go on for sure
Posted by BoyBawang
THe VGA video will be implemented if and only if the 3D drivers for the Qualcomm processor are implememnted. And the processor is 520Mhz not 400, its an updated version of the MSM 7200 known as the MSM 7200A, BUT without the 3D drivers its absolutely useless(you can search for HTC TyTnII video problems on google).
How come that N95 which has only 300Mhz+ processor Can do VGA video?
Is 400mhz Qualcomm really slower than the 300mhz+ Processor inside N95?
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Posted by razec
On 2008-03-19 10:59:06, BoyBawang wrote:
How come that N95 which has only 300Mhz+ processor Can do VGA video?
Is 400mhz Qualcomm really slower than the 300mhz+ Processor inside N95?
Actually, It's not because of the processor speed. but the dedicated graphics accelerator that helps in encoding VGA @ 30Fps video
MSM7200A has a dedicated Video Accelerator as well and that makes it possible for X1 to encode the same video resolution and framerate as with N95
as for the 100Mhz difference between the 300 and 400Mhz thing. just imagine this: 6120 operates much snappier than N70 in terms of overall UI speed. so just think of the same extent when we applied it to the 400Mhz and 300Mhz comparison issue
Posted by Nitro Fan
On 2008-03-19 00:47:24, BobaFett wrote:
imo this will be the longest thread ever on esato
it will be out at xmas first and so long the discussion will go on for sure
Ahh but which christmas! this is
we are talking about 
Posted by bavlondon2
Ha ha yeah which Xmas.
Posted by Raja
X1 White paper up on developer site:
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/home/p_home.jsp
Posted by allday247
Wow X1 will not be using Sony's own Memory Stick format.
It'll be support MicroSD's.
Posted by bavlondon2
Thats becasue its HTC manufactured.
Posted by BoyBawang
Actually, It's not because of the processor speed. but the dedicated graphics accelerator that helps in encoding VGA @ 30Fps video
MSM7200A has a dedicated Video Accelerator as well and that makes it possible for X1 to encode the same video resolution and framerate as with N95
Correct me if im wrong but The HTC Kaiser Tytn II has MSM7200A 400mhz but can't do VGA 30fps video.
Posted by masseur
On 2008-03-19 14:53:53, Raja wrote:
X1 White paper up on developer site:
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/home/p_home.jsp
here's a direct link to the white paper
Posted by BobaFett
another link
http://www.inxperia.com/index[....]-from-its-official-white-paper
Posted by razec
On 2008-03-19 16:37:15, BoyBawang wrote:
Actually, It's not because of the processor speed. but the dedicated graphics accelerator that helps in encoding VGA @ 30Fps video
MSM7200A has a dedicated Video Accelerator as well and that makes it possible for X1 to encode the same video resolution and framerate as with N95
Correct me if im wrong but The HTC Kaiser Tytn II has MSM7200A 400mhz but can't do VGA 30fps video.
Simply because HTC did not activated the video drivers of the processor that's why TyTN II can't record VGA 30Fps pics, some hackers had been trying to activate the video drivers lately
Posted by BobaFett
imo in such a device pix and videos arent the most important features... its a biz fone ( just look at the form factor ). same to htc devices, those are great, but for all the fun features there are more then enough fones at every brand
Posted by Dogmann
@razec
I don't think it's they didn't as much as that they are not allowed to some sort of dispute with Qualcomm is what i had heard can't remember where but if i come across it again i will link here.
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Posted by razec
^^ Thanks Marc
Posted by BoyBawang
Simply because HTC did not activated the video drivers of the processor that's why TyTN II can't record VGA 30Fps pics, some hackers had been trying to activate the video drivers lately
But the new iMate Ultimates with Qualcomm 400mhz can't do VGA 30fps either. That has to be the reason why Xperia CPU is raised it to 500mhz+. Or Qualcomms video is slower than TI OMAPs used in N95
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Posted by razec
^^As i said, it's the video drivers that is responsible for the 3D acceleration features of the processor and VGA video has nothing to do with the slower CPU speed. iMate along with HTC and the other PPC manufacturers had not activated the qualcomm video driver that is responsible for the CPU to encode VGA 30Fps video. Xperia had requested HTC to utilize the driver to enable X1 to record at VGA 30Fps. you probably don't know that Qualcomm has a dedicated graphics CPU, Sound Processor,GPS processor, Applications and ISP(image signal processing, responsible for still image processing). on the GPU side Qualcomm is also compatible with either Nvidia or ATi for faster/better 3D acceleration. for sure you have heard of the snapdragon CPU which uses ATi GPU inside it's module.
Posted by chombos1
just read the white paper....
looks like it has only (VGA@15 fps and QVGA@30fps) for the U.S and VGA@30fps for the rest of the world....