Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 discussion

Posted by willo

Quote:

On 2008-03-07 14:44:01, Nitro Fan wrote:
All new chargers (why intro fast port then?)

So I suppose my HPM82's will be obsolete then

Posted by BobaFett
actually, why didnt se relesed with their "brill" uiq? i mean, if all the delays are cos of wm ( if... ) why dont they release it as it is?

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-03-07 23:04:00, willo wrote:

Quote:

On 2008-03-07 14:44:01, Nitro Fan wrote:

All new chargers (why intro fast port then?)

So I suppose my HPM82's will be obsolete then

doesn't it have 3.5mm port anyway? (for using standard headphones).

As to the complaint that fastport not compatible, keep in mind it uses usb mini-plug which is far more common than fastport and accessories will be cheap and abundant. I mean, you'll be able to use ANY usb to usbmini plug lead you have lying around (from your digicam, removeable harddrive, usb huib etc that uses usb mini plug).

Believe me you won't miss the fastport when you have such a common port in instead.

Posted by mib1800

yeah. max_wedge is right. It is time to move away from the proprietary sh*te that SE is forcing on buyers. Existing SE users should take a one-time pain and write off these accessories.

Posted by crossmatched
its odd that X1 doesn't support M2.
could have been better if it has dual memory card support ala k850.
but just the same, x1 is a thing of beauty.
can't wait for it to become available

Posted by malinda
Check SE Xperia X1 web site. I think they remove the inside keyboard win key too.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en

Posted by razec

On 2008-03-08 05:21:02, crossmatched wrote:
its odd that X1 doesn't support M2.
could have been better if it has dual memory card support ala k850.
but just the same, x1 is a thing of beauty.
can't wait for it to become available

Simply because the CPU (qualcomm MSM7200a) chip does not natively support any memory stick cards. just SD/MMC. neither the CPU chip used in X1 supports Symbian(which in fact has a native binary compatibility with MS cards) the reason why we can't see any WM powered Sony/

PDAs

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Posted by hahaha112
why doesn't X1 have 5 mp cam, Accelerometer, 16 gig and fast port (know its is an htc). Come on your loosing the fight, i love but i have been disappointment for some time now. came with W960i good competitor to iPhone but to slow processor. now Nokia has some phones with 5mp that are not dedicate camera phones i mean that i love X1 but i am a little disappointed with the specification

come on answer me what do you think

Posted by crossmatched

On 2008-03-08 11:05:28, hahaha112 wrote:
why doesn't X1 have 5 mp cam, Accelerometer, 16 gig and fast port (know its is an htc). Come on your loosing the fight, i love but i have been disappointment for some time now. came with W960i good competitor to iPhone but to slow processor. now Nokia has some phones with 5mp that are not dedicate camera phones i mean that i love X1 but i am a little disappointed with the specification

come on answer me what do you think

because all that you stated missing in x1 will come out later in a new handset. okay? so lets just wait.

knows the right time to unleash the right thing

Posted by chombos1

5MP cam? not really necessary... a good 3.2MP sensor outperforms it
memory? why not putting a 8GB mem card (absolutely better flexibility than the inbuilt memory)

and i can not see any flaws in specs with (touch autofocus - VGA@30fps video record - (((WVGA touch screen with optical navigation))) - full qwerty keypad - 3 inch wide screen display - inbuilt GPS - HSDPA/HSUPA - WiFi b/g - WM6.1 OS and much more)

i think i answered your comment.

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Posted by Tigershark42
I agree with 112 in that we all want these things now if possible, but at the same time X1 is a big step up for SE in terms of specs. For SE its a first of its kind in many respects, and I think they have done well. I agree that the camera and memory are a let down though, as they are just NOT premium at all. Id give up unnecessary features such as full metal outer casing for improved specs. But anyway, this isnt the SE ultimate device, this is the SE WM device.

Posted by razec

Sorry but i can't see too much significance with these things:

-16Gb memory (just slows the phone performance, remeber the Symbian OS is CPU speed hungry
-5mp camera (of what? to increase pixel count while at the same time reduces quality?)
-accelerometer (to make it iPhonish?)

Posted by bavlondon2

On 2008-03-08 12:26:25, razec wrote:

Come off it mate. N95 8gb vs w960. n95 8gb comes out top in speed by far. Thats a poor excuse.

As for 5mp thats alsoa poor excuse for not incorporating a better cam. If it had a 5mp cam im sure you wouldnt be moaning saying whats the point of 5mp its ust more pixels!!!!

Lots of phones are using an accelerometer. N95 8gb, N82....Aside from using it to view pics and things in either direction it also opens up possibilities for other types of gaming.

Why is it there is always an excuse for SE not being up to the most recent specs like Nokia are?

Fact is that by the time X1 is even released its specs will be further behind. Infact by the time its released im sure most people will be more eager to get their hands on iphone sucessor as that will be released around the same time.

Posted by drgopoos
i am a hardcore SE fan too , but that does not stop me from pointing out the flaws they have

1-- 5mp or more is must... if a 3.2 cam can out perform a 5 mp , why cant they make a 5mp that can outperform all ... after all most of us go for numbers...

2--- 16gb storage will soon be a thing of the past... what is there to loose if on board 16gb and any further memory with a memory card..

3...GPS and acclereometer are essential in good a smart phone.. just try n95 with rotatme me program . it definetly makes a difference

All said SE has not finalized the final specs .. So all these might get added at some stage

Posted by Tigershark42
Agree 100%

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-03-08 02:00:22, max_wedge wrote:

On 2008-03-07 23:04:00, willo wrote:

Quote:

On 2008-03-07 14:44:01, Nitro Fan wrote:

All new chargers (why intro fast port then?)

So I suppose my HPM82's will be obsolete then

You are missing my point , I totaly agree with you, the point I was making was why continue with a proprietary system such as Fastport" when a more open, better system like mini usb existed! reason CASH!

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-03-08 11:16:55, crossmatched wrote:

because all that you stated missing in x1 will come out later in a new handset. okay? so lets just wait.

knows the right time to unleash the right thing

they sure do, just after we have all done our life savings upgrading to the X1!

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Posted by goosebuffz
well i would like to see SEs to which to mini usb with 3.5mm jack

but this phone seems like a generic phone with se branding

Posted by razec
To have a mini USB replacing Fast port.

I simply hate that approach... Mini USB kills the opportunity to use those cool SE accessories that SE had brought to us and i find mini USBs more unreliable than fast port connectors.

what i want is o have a fast port and a 3.5mm jack. that's enough already imo.

Posted by Nitro Fan

On 2008-03-09 12:18:12, razec wrote:
To have a mini USB replacing Fast port.

I simply hate that approach... Mini USB kills the opportunity to use those cool SE accessories that SE had brought to us and i find mini USBs more unreliable than fast port connectors.

what i want is o have a fast port and a 3.5mm jack. that's enough already imo.

Our problem is Sony Ericsson just love that approach!!!!!!!
This way they get to sell us 1.New memory Cards 2. New wired Accessory's, 3.New Chargers.

Sony are the worst in the business for making their kit redundant how many memory formats have they had!?

As for generic devices, you can be sure they will be better built and have more reliable software than some of

's recent offerings.

Anytime I see Sony and software in the same sentence I know I am in for a rough time! they cannot write it and they sure as hell do not know how to test it!

Yep I am getting fed up with

Big Time I have just spent hard earned cash on an

GPS enabler this is now only good for my existing phones!

All this means is I will stick with what I have got for longer, and then ....... who knows, the only thing I can be sure of is that I will not be buying the most overhyped under specifed & restrictive personal device in the world today The iPhone!

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Posted by NightBlade

Ditto.
Besides, I think that the fastport has a more reliable plugging mechanism.

Posted by Tigershark42
Fastport feels exclusive: that way no accessory feels cheap.

Posted by Dogmann
Hi all,

I actually think the reason it doesn't support M2 or have a Fast port is really very obvious and simple, it is a HTC product being re badged with some tweaked software for SE. As mentioned by others WM doesn't support M2 cards and obviously the HTC hardware is built round the most standard accessories which is mini USB adding a fast port just for SE was either not practical or to expensive to be done.

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Posted by bavlondon2
Marc is right. You can all thank HTC for that one.

Posted by 02
HHmm... have not been here for awhile now.... and I'm missing alot here!!

Posted by max_wedge
I agree with razec, that usb mini plug isn't the most hardiest of connectors. fastport suffers from getting dirty easily, but once cleaned it's good as new - plus it's easy to damage fastport, yet I've seen a few phones lose their usbmini plug (ripped right of the pcb) from people who flex the connection too much.

USB mini plug is better from a compatibility stnadpoint, but fast port is a superior connector (same theory applies to the Nokia pop port connector)

Posted by Dogmann
@Max,

Sorry but i really can't agree with that the Nokia pop port was notorious for not being a robust connection and over time would result in unstable connections. Mini USB on the other hand is rock solid stable and doesn't degenerate over time how ever many times it is used, i really can't imagine the amount of abuse needed to pull a USB connection out of a devcie but it does suggest massive abuse of the devcie and a total lack of care. Really look at a mini USB that plug 's in and it is a much more robust solution to pins that are exposed and liable to wear and damage well that's MO.

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Posted by BobaFett
micro d is far better solution ( and more cheaper ) then m2. it cost almost the half as m2, and with the right adapters u can use it in so mayn devices, laptops, pc etc with m2 u are limited

Posted by max_wedge

On 2008-03-10 00:38:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Max,

Sorry but i really can't agree with that the Nokia pop port was notorious for not being a robust connection and over time would result in unstable connections. Mini USB on the other hand is rock solid stable and doesn't degenerate over time how ever many times it is used, i really can't imagine the amount of abuse needed to pull a USB connection out of a devcie but it does suggest massive abuse of the devcie and a total lack of care. Really look at a mini USB that plug 's in and it is a much more robust solution to pins that are exposed and liable to wear and damage well that's MO.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-09 23:39 ]

it's not the in/out force that damages usbmini plugs, but the flexing of the cable up/down and left/right. I've seen people's usb mini ports literally fall out of the device (prised off the pcb by the up/down and lateral flexing of the cable while in the port). Even if not ripped off the pcb, the lateral flexing causes the cable to not fit tight or make intermittant connections, where you have to hold the cable in to get a stable connection.

I agree you'd have to be abusive but being abusive to the fastport doesn't damage it. The pop port and fastport both need to be kept clean, if they are they don't degrade.

I agree the people I've seen this happen to are pretty slack and tend to yank on the cable and pull it this way and that without concern for damaging it, but if they did the same thing to fastport it wouldn't do damage.

Fastport and pop port are exposed and tend to suffer from dead skin (dead skin is very greasy) and other crap fowling them up and also suffer more from oxidisation. A good clean has in every case fixed any fastport I've had problems with. (Don't know about pop port - I only have the N70 and I don't use it everyday).

You yourself dogmann I expect take good care of your equipment, so you'd never suffer from usb mini plug problems.

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Posted by razec

On 2008-03-09 13:33:27, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,

I actually think the reason it doesn't support M2 or have a Fast port is really very obvious and simple, it is a HTC product being re badged with some tweaked software for SE. As mentioned by others WM doesn't support M2 cards and obviously the HTC hardware is built round the most standard accessories which is mini USB adding a fast port just for SE was either not practical or to expensive to be done.

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@Marc

Xperia don't use m2/MS cards because the CPU(qualcomm MSM7200a CPU) itself is binary incompatible with the card format as it only supports SD/MMC at the moment. and WM OS supports memory stick format. WMs are basically a mobile edition of the desktop Windows OS in which the basic API feature set found on the desktop is also foun on the mobile version. also remember that other laptop manufacturers besides Sony itself e.g. ASUS, Acer, etc incorporates memory stick slots as well( which imo doesn't begget much costlier expenses in developing/integrating) the big issue right there is the CPU used in the phone. if they used the HTC's standard TI-OMAP chip then X1 can use the MS cards or even make it dual format like the one found in K850

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Posted by anonymuser
You have to remember that this isn't just a new SE phone to be sold to existing SE consumers like us, but a new Windows Mobile handset directed at the massive, established WM market - particularly in America, where SE haven't had much impact. For the X1 to compete with all the other WM devices on the market, it has to have mini-USB, as that has long been established as a standard for this type of phone, both by HTC and the other manufacturers. If SE had insisted on a fastport connector, they'd just have alienated the very consumers they're attempting to target.

The same goes for M2 - it's far too late to try and persuade people to buy that, when micro-SD is already well established.

Posted by max_wedge
exactly so boing, you hit the nail on the head. I'm not against SE's use of fastport or M2 (you gotta sorta expect it with anything with the word "sony" in it's name), and fastport has it's advantages. M2 also has it's advantages, however in a WM phone you have to appeal to the existing WM base which mostly supports SD (or versions of) and usb mini plug.

If it was a UIQ phone I'd rather they kept the fastport/m2, but for a WM phone I'd rather usbmini and microSD

Posted by DarkKrypt
off topic

nice argumentative posts too

not sure if this has been posted earlier here..but i just saw this..

http://gdesk.wetpaint.com/page/GDesk+designs?t=anon
x1 on p990 (anything that can work wit gdesk)

enjoy:)
anyone who wants the menu feel of x1
i haven't tried so i dont know how its going to be either.
lataz all

Posted by max_wedge
good effort

Posted by PeterKay
X1 on the P990i

great idea, will try it.

Posted by dancingfate
@DarkKrypt
Will it work on other UIQ3 phones?

Posted by taw
Well, cool.
Works with M600 ( X600

)
Costumized it a little, but in overall, great!

Posted by drgopoos
@DarkKrypt So cool...

I miss my uiq phones ;-(

Posted by DarkKrypt
lol maxwedge

@Rifqi_Aziz
yes it should it works with the latest gdesk,so im not sure what other phones are compatible in the list..taw has it working on his "x600" lol

On 2008-03-10 22:18:22, taw wrote:
Well, cool.
Works with M600 ( X600

)
Costumized it a little, but in overall, great!

great to hear that it works.

On 2008-03-10 22:21:18, drgopoos wrote:
@DarkKrypt So cool...
I miss my uiq phones ;-(

i dont know how you can miss it...i converted to uiq3 and i love it..wont be going back ever lol
and,how can u switch to any other system

this isnt mine..hope know one thinks that it is

and ill provide something else cool while im here
this was posted at ipmart-forum.com if you know of it good forum

eoneon wrote:
Here you go, the highest resolution image you can find, 4724x7323x24b. It's in the .rar attachment. Maybe someone can port a theme for UIQ3?

and ill provide the link to X1 hi res images
http://www.4shared.com/file/4[....]499d308a/X1_hi_res_images.html

Source below (where i got the hi res images
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/s[....]191163&highlight=gdesk&page=36

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Posted by rraz9228

On 2008-03-10 13:06:16, DarkKrypt wrote:
off topic

nice argumentative posts too

not sure if this has been posted earlier here..but i just saw this..

http://gdesk.wetpaint.com/page/GDesk+designs?t=anon
x1 on p990 (anything that can work wit gdesk)

enjoy:)
anyone who wants the menu feel of x1
i haven't tried so i dont know how its going to be either.
lataz all

I am not familiar with this but how do I install that to my P990?

Posted by skblakee
Your P990 would not become unfrozen after that

Posted by DarkKrypt
@rraz9228
dowload the latest Gdesk install it to your p990, run it, click on the mainscreen of gdesk
and find something along the lines of load design (i dont rememeber lol)
then locate the x1gdd theme on your mem stick (or where ever you placed it)
select it and it will be set.
more information at
http://gdesk.wetpaint.com/page/GDesk+Documentation

http://gdesk.wetpaint.com/
^main site

Posted by max_wedge
I'm actually pretty happy that the X1 is WM - with a G900 I'll be able to satisfy both my midrange candybar requirement and UIQ desires all in one handset, and my second handset can remain a WM machine and yet still be an SE! (I always have one general purpose handset for everday use, and a more powerful smartphone as a secondary handset for more techie requirements)

Posted by Nitro Fan

trouble is .... we are still left picking up the bill IF we decide to go with the X1

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Posted by max_wedge
the bill for what? Look at it from most WM user's point of view, they already have all the accessories

And X1 is marketed more at WM users than UIQ users.

But sure, our vast array of fastport accessories will be useless on the X1.

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
How will accessories be connected on an X1 then? Will they be only Bluetooth or will SE/whoever make miniUSB accessories?

Posted by max_wedge
there are already massive numbers of usb mini plug accessories such as headsets, chargers etc, and all sorts of other wonderful things. You won't be restricted to SE only accessories, it's a proxy industry standard for small device connectivity.

The usb mini standard doesn't change from one manufacturer to the next. (well occasionally but not often)

Whether SE will add to the choice of accessories, for example a usb mini plug fm-transmitter, remains to eb seen.

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Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Oh ok. Having never been in the market for such things, I had no idea! Thanks!

Posted by max_wedge
That's the beauty of standards - you don't necessarily have to change everything when you change just one thing

There will no doubt be some unique X1 accessories made by SE, probably some will be usb mini plug versions of fastport accessories. Also I'm sure some fastport accessories just won't be available in usb mini plug form anywhere.

But overall the incompatibility pains will be less than the compatibility gains in switching to usb mini plug.

Posted by Dogmann
@Nitro Fan

Simple really if you don't want to move to a new platform or more standardised accessories DONT, no one is forcing you to. Now if you are angry at SE for not being able to enforce thier propriety connections on a devcie they are not producing themselves tell them but i seriously doubt it will make any difference.

Marc

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