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Posted by EastCoastStar
i posted this question in my bad hard drive trhread, btu noone awnsered.
i want to install linux. does anyone know any free versions? Wht is your experience with them all, and where can i downlaod them?
I tried Ubuntu, but got some error, and from what i have seen, mandrake costs money. i was thinking about slackware, but couldnt figure otu where to download the ISO...

any help would be greatly appreciated!

i just want linux as a change.... no particular reason...

Posted by knight4led
I've got several free versions of linux sitting on my desk here. I highly recommend trying out a version of linux off of a bootable disk first before you attempt to install linux on your system. Gnoppix and Knoppix are both CD versions one with Gnome and the other KDE (you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out which is which). Ubuntu also has a bootable CD version.

I had a little trouble installing Ubuntu also and I eventually went with Fedora Core 3. Its free and the install discs are easily available as an FTP, HTTP or bittorrent download. Both Ubuntu and Fedora Core are based on Gnome, so if you are looking for a KDE system, you might want to continue looking.

Posted by EastCoastStar

i thought about Fedora Core 3, but something about it made me change my mind. how can i try them out before i install them? i knwo with a live CD, but where can i download a live version for me to burn to a CD etc? i just dont know where to get any of this... sorry for sounding so dumb haha.

Posted by knight4led
There is no Live CD for Fedora Core. Ubuntu I recall downloading from their website and I don't honestly recall where I got Knoppix or Gnoppix from, but I assume I downloaded them because they are burnt on CDs with my writing. Just try typing it in Google and have a careful look around the website.

Posted by EastCoastStar
well i found the website for both Gnoppix and Knoppix. (Gnoppix.org and Knoppix.org haha) but when i click download, and select the mirror and all, there are so many links, and i dont knwo what to download... when i select the mittor... i get all these links...

12/09/2004 01:36PM 1,502 HEADER.html
05/31/2005 06:37PM 32,026 KNOPPIX-CHANGELOG.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 10,162 KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 10,616 KNOPPIX-FAQ-ES.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 12,097 KNOPPIX-FAQ-FR.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 11,894 KNOPPIX-FAQ-IT.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 9,767 KNOPPIX-FAQ-NL.txt
07/12/2003 12:00AM 11,786 KNOPPIX-FAQ-PL.txt
05/03/2004 12:00AM 11,378 KNOPPIX-FAQ.txt
08/22/2004 12:00AM 733,499,392 KNOPPIX_V3.6-2004-08-16-EN.iso
08/22/2004 12:00AM 65 KNOPPIX_V3.6-2004-08-16-EN.iso.md5
08/22/2004 12:00AM 408 KNOPPIX_V3.6-2004-08-16-EN.iso.md5.asc
12/09/2004 12:31PM 732,942,336 KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso
12/09/2004 12:39PM 65 KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso.md5
12/09/2004 12:39PM 408 KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso.md5.asc
12/09/2004 12:55PM 73 KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso.sha1
12/09/2004 12:55PM 416 KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso.sha1.asc
04/08/2005 06:00PM 719,603,712 KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso
04/08/2005 06:34PM 67 KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso.md5
04/08/2005 07:27PM 410 KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso.md5.asc
04/08/2005 06:36PM 75 KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso.sha1
04/08/2005 07:27PM 418 KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso.sha1.asc
05/17/2005 04:05PM 727,289,856 KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso
05/17/2005 04:05PM 67 KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso.md5
05/17/2005 04:05PM 303 KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso.md5.asc
05/17/2005 04:05PM 75 KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso.sha1
05/17/2005 04:05PM 311 KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso.sha1.asc
04/15/2005 12:04PM 790 README
05/09/2004 12:00AM Directory contrib
05/22/2004 12:00AM Directory docs
04/15/2005 12:05PM 9,450 knoppix-cheatcodes.txt
04/28/2003 12:00AM Directory knoppix-customize
12/09/2004 12:27PM Directory md5-old
06/16/2004 12:00AM 216,165 packages-dvd.txt
12/09/2004 09:56AM 113,971 packages.txt

and idk what to do, i get so lost haha

Posted by GOwin
This is where you start - read those text files first.

Get the latest version available.

In your list, this appears to be: KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso

Use your burner software to write that iso file on a CD/CDRW.

Before you do that, it may be a good idea to check if you downloaded the files correctly by checking the MD5 checksums.

Get a windows MD5 program from http://www.toast442.org/md5gui.shtml

Hmm ... may I suggest you try Ubuntu first? Despite the relative newness of this distro, it has developed a reputation of being very newbie friendly, and is based on Debian - "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".

Another one to try is MEPIS.

Am not saying that these are the best distros out there. You just have to try around, and find one that suits your needs.

[ This Message was edited by: GOwin on 2005-06-03 02:52 ]

Posted by EastCoastStar
@GOwin, Ubuntu is what i really want to try, but when i downloaded it and burned the ISO, and booted it from the CD, and when i did, everythign went fine for awhile, then i got an alart, and it said something like, "a fatal error has occured, if you continue, the program probobly wont run properly." it didnt say "the program", but it said sumthn like that. should i just try again and re-burn the ISO?? (luckly im using cd-rw's not cd-r's haha)

i also must have messed up when i tried to partition the hard drive when it was installing, ebcuase it deleted windows haha

Posted by GOwin
Ubuntu has a live CD and an installer CD.

Try out the live CD first.

The problem you encountered could be caused by an error during the donwnload process. Check your ISOs with the MD5 checksums.

(And try burning them at lower speeds. Writing at full speed sometimes causes problems for me.)

Posted by EastCoastStar
hahaha i was burning at 4x lol i haev a show cd writer. i downloaded the live version earlier... ill burn that to a CD and try it out real quick. while im doing that, i will check the the iso with the program u gave me...

edit: i forgot windows deleted. so i have to redownload it all...
check out the site guys. www.editionfws.com
its empty, so i need your help on what to add!

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-06-03 05:23 ]

Posted by knight4led
exactly, gotta do a decent amount of research. I am happy with Fedora Core 3, but I think I would have been happier with Ubuntu. Despite its reputation as being newbie friendly, everyone I know that has tried Ubuntu has had some failure during installation. Mine created all sorts of havoc with the admin and user passwords and I lost the ability to login at all. I tried it a second time, got a different error and moved on.

My only complaint about Fedora Core has been the lack of built in support for NTFS file systems. Other distros have built in NTFS read support. I had patched my kernel to support it, but when I updated my kernel, bye bye NTFS patch.

Posted by GOwin
I also had issues with NTFS. I decided to re-format the shared drive to FAT32 instead. I even had NTFS write access using Captive

Quicker and easier.

Ubuntu was an easyinstall for me, even in my ancient thinkpad.

[ This Message was edited by: GOwin on 2005-06-03 05:41 ]

Posted by EastCoastStar
okay its downloading... the live CD and installation CD...

anyway, can someone help me some with partioning?

Posted by GOwin
You don't have to worry about partitioning until you decide to install it.

Get a feel of the system first using the Live CD.


the live cd and the install cd are iso files.

[ This Message was edited by: GOwin on 2005-06-03 05:57 ]

Posted by EastCoastStar
true. so the live CD is exactly what it will be like once i install?

and i burn the live CD just liek i burn the ISO?

Posted by GOwin
Yes, you do the same process with both files. They're ISO files.

You can actually install a system using live CD, but I prefer using the install CD instead.

The live CD also contains some opensouce goodies for windows users. There's GIMP, OpenOffice and some more.

Posted by EastCoastStar
well im leaving for now, but can you instruct me on how to use the md5 program? how do i add the file for it to check?

Posted by GOwin
Click on generate checksums.

Then drag the ISO file into the program windows. It will then generate the checksum for the file. Compare those numbers with the checksum numbers published with the file you downloaded. (Those files with the .md5 extension)

Generating the checksums aren't instant. At least, not in my slowpoke machine.

Posted by Cycovision
I'll just stick more oar in (again)!

Mandriva Linux (formally Mandrake Linux):


It is still free! If you go to the downloads section you can get the three CD set by clicking on the 'Download from public ftp mirrors' link. You don't have to join the 'Mandriva Club' either, just click on one of the mirror links and you'll get taken to the download pages.

It's also worth mentioning that you don't need all three CDs to install it, only the first. The other two CDs contain applications such as Open office and GIMP (photo editing software) but if you get all three CDs, the installer will preinstall any or all of these apps for you.

It's my favourite Linux distro, very easy to install and configure

Posted by Cycovision
Yippeee! I've just been donated an old Athlon machine so I've stuck Mandrake Linux on it! This is my first ever Esato post from a Linux Box Here's a couple of screenshots:

KDE Desktop:

Konqueror browser with Esato loaded:

If anyone is thinking of installing Linux and would like to see more, bigger and better screenshots first let me know

Posted by EastCoastStar
thanks for the screen shots! very nice!

i redownloaded and re-burned the ubuntu live iso, and after awhile when its loading, it sayd it failed and all, and itsaid to "check the integrety of your CD rom". what should i do? is my machiene not good enough for it or something??

oh yea, and if i put the CD in while running windows, the ubuntu splashscreen starts... then just goes away and nothing happens
check out the site guys. www.editionfws.com
its empty, so i need your help on what to add!

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-06-05 17:02 ]

Posted by Cycovision
Sounds more like a corrupt iso file than a problem with your comp. Did you varify the .iso file with md5summer before you burnt it?

I really would suggest that you get mandriva linux instead. Yes, I'm biased, but the reason I like it so much is that it's just so easy to install and use, and the mandriva site offers some excellent help documents for newbies (like me).

Posted by EastCoastStar
i deletd downloaded the ISO about 3 times, and got different error messages each time. maybe i will try it and see if i can get it to work. i want to install ubuntu someday too. ill download it, the when i get home, ill burn it to a cd and try it. does it have a live CD?

when i go to download mandriva, i go to the 3 CD area and all liek u said earlier, and i go to US and pick a link, then it has liek 15 more links, i just dont know what to download. thats why i liked ubuntu, it was all i one file, and just said download, not 15 links haha

check out the site guys. www.editionfws.com
its empty, so i need your help on what to add!

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-06-05 17:19 ]

Posted by Cycovision
You need to download the following files:

File: Mandriva-Linux-2005-Limited-Edition-Download-CD2.i586.iso 714698 KB 02/05/2005 14:57:00
File: Mandriva-Linux-2005-Limited-Edition-Download-CD3.i586.iso 712854 KB 02/05/2005 14:58:00
File: Mandriva-Linux-2005-Limited-Edition-Download-CD1.i586.iso

Looks like this on the mirrors:

They used to do a live CD but I think you have to buy it now

'He who laughs last, laughs longest. Or didn't get the joke...'

[ This Message was edited by: Cycovision on 2005-06-05 17:40 ]

Posted by EastCoastStar
okay got those downloading... and do i burn them to 3 seperate CDs?

i realized that i probobly do. ill try it later and let u know hwo it goes.
check out the site guys. www.editionfws.com
its empty, so i need your help on what to add!

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-06-05 18:04 ]

Posted by Cycovision
Yup, one cd each

good luck

Posted by gardar
I use Red Hat linux, and Debian sarge, both freewares, very good freewares...

Posted by EastCoastStar
does mandriva come with a partition????

Posted by Cycovision
Yes, the installer checks your disk usage at the beginning of the process and gives you various options, such as wiping the disk clean (BE CAREFULL!) or using some of the remaining available space for a dual-boot system.

If you've already got Windows on there and you want to install Linux for a dual boot, I'd strongly recommend that you back up your important stuff first, just in case.

Posted by EastCoastStar
haha i know, once i was installing ubuntu, and i got past the partioning stage, and i deleted windows lol then ubuntu messed up and i was left with nothing on this ocmputr, so i styarted all over again. i just fixed this comp, so there was nothing on it yet, thats why im doing all of this now, so i wont mess up anything important! lol

Posted by EastCoastStar
i did this twice... and i keep getting some splash error...

can someone please send me a workign evrsion of any linux?!? lol

Posted by knight4led
if you really need it I could send out the Fedora Core 3 disks

Posted by Chazzer3
whats linux like, what does it look like? could someone show me? alot of people talk about it, but whats it like?

What advantages are there to other OS's, and does it have a GUI, or is it like MS-DOS?

Charlie -

Posted by GOwin
What have you been doing? Linux does'nt seem to like you much.

(No, really. Please post why you can't seem to get it done.)

Linux has windows-like interfaces available.

If you're a PC gamer, your choices are very limited.

For most general computing tasks, you should be able to do whatever it is you do in Windows.

Posted by EastCoastStar
well... i downloaded ubuntu... i opened nero, burned it as an image, selected the ISO, and it burned, then i booted my computer from disk, and it starts and everythigns fine, then half way through it, i get an errorsaying that the program probobly wont work right becuase of some fatal error.

when i did mandrake, i downloaded the 3 iso files, burned them the correct way to 3 different CDs... then i put the first one in, and boot from disk, and everything goes fine, then itll stop while saying installign files, so i hut alt-F3 (it tells me to at the bottom, its an option) to view the log, and it says something about a splash error.

if you want me to, i will get the exact error, and write it down again.
i dont know what im doin for linux not to like me haha. it must be me doing something wrong, but i cant fugure out what! i know im burning the iso the correct way and all...

Posted by GOwin
Does your checksums of the ISOs check out?

How about trying to burn them at slower speeds?

Posted by EastCoastStar
i burb at 4x, should i try slower than that? and i will redownload and checksums, i forgot about that

Posted by EastCoastStar
i checked the ISO files, and the FIle Checksum and the Actual Checksum were the same.

Posted by knight4led
why is it that you are installing Linux on that computer? If it was a fault with Windows maybe you should start thinking that there is some sort of minor fault with some of the hardware on there. It just seems strange to me that two different Linux distros both complain about installing.

Final question, can you run Linux off one of the Live CD's mentioned earlier?

Posted by EastCoastStar
it wouldnt run off og the ubuntu live cd, but havent tried any other live CDs.
im installing linux for a change... thats all...

Posted by Cycovision
You haven't got a dodgy CD drive have you? I installed mandrake on an old machine once but had to swap out the drive because it just wouldn't install. I knew it wasn't the discs themselves because I'd already installed it on several other PCs

Posted by EastCoastStar
that could be a possability. i have burned alot on it before though. i will try somewhere else in a few days.

Posted by EastCoastStar
heyy all
i have finally installed ubuntu! linux sent me a few copies, and they worked no problem. so if anyone wants a copy, let me know.

secondly, how the heck do i install files?

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-07-08 07:24 ]

Posted by GOwin
By "files", what do you mean exactly?

Programs can be installed via Synaptic.

Posted by EastCoastStar
well i was trying to install AIM (not knwoing it was already on it), and it told me to log in as root. and i wasnt sure how. other than that i figured it out.

Posted by EastCoastStar
heyyyyy allll
im baaaaaaaaack
im looking for a few programs for linux (im running ubuntu, if it matters)
im looking for a p2p program... and a CD burning program. and any other helpful apps for linux.
oh and also... bluetooth software so i can use my :bt: dongle.


i still dont know how to install a programmmmmmmmmm!! its frustrating me!
this is what is says on h wo to install...
Since the Qtella package uses automake and autoconf, compilation and installation of Qtella is quite easy. All you need are the Qt libraries compiled with thread support. You can check whether these libraries exists by typing "locate qt-mt". If locate does not list the libraries you need to download Qt from http://www.trolltech.com and compile it with thread support first. If Qt is compiled with thread support, you are able to compile and install Qtella as follows:

1. tar xzf qtella-VERSION.tar.gz
2. cd qtella-VERSION
3. ./configure
4. make
5. make install (as root)

You are now able to run Qtella by typing "qtella". When starting Qtella for the first time you should open the configuration tab first. Here you can configure the directory names for completed and incompleted downloads, the maximum number of uploads, etc.
and i dont know what to do!

[ This Message was edited by: EastCoastStar on 2005-07-31 16:59 ]

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Posted by EastCoastStar
come onnnnnnnnnnn peopleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Posted by GOwin
Since you're using Ubuntu, why don't you try the Ubuntu Forums?

Synaptic allows you to install programs easily. However, by default, the repositories are limited. Just search for info in the Ubuntu forums on how to add new repositories.

For burning CDs, look/install gnomebaker. (thought Nautilus CD burner is already installed by default).

I use the following apps for my phone/bluetooth:
Multisync - for synching with the phone
Gnome Phonemanager
Gnome Bluetooth

For P2P, BitTornado seems to be recommended often. (I don't use any.) Oh, and there's limewire too, if you like that.

Posted by EastCoastStar
i like limewire, thats what i was using. but were probobly not allowed to talk about that alot here.

ill check out the forums link you gace me, thanks much!

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