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Can the 6600 do everything the P900 does? |
Jah
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As I said, 6600 sell more therefore the price is lower and the P900 is more exclusive. Your responses don't mention the h/w difference for multimode input of the P900 and that Nokia are also planning for a multimode input device (7700) with a larger screen as this is better in real life. If the 6600 was really all people needed in a phone/PDA Nokia would probably not make the 9500, 9300 and Series 90. They would stick to Series 60 platform.
Edit: I thought SE were selling about 160K P900s per quarter, therefore they should have sold more than 300K in 12 months!
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Can someone make it clear how much memory the P900 supports? I am sure i have used a P900 with a 256mb MS DUO. It was written on the MS "256mb". Am i talking rubbish? But i am sure i have seen it.
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mib1800
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jah:
i think P900 is targeted as a PDAphone to get a slice of the PDA market now controlled by HP and Palm. Similarly, for Nokia 7700 and 9000 series (i.e. more PDA functionalities).
P900 may not have more functionalities than 6600 but it does perform better in those which it is designed for i.e. PDA functions (bigger screen, touchscreen, document editing, email etc).
unless you are those kind of people who need higher PDA functions, then 6600 would be better value.
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6600 can do 4 low budget£$ user, p900 can do 4 high budget£$ user
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Jah
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Given the obvious h/w differences between the 6600 and the P900 you should compare the 6600 with the Sendo X.
The P900 without the P910 firmware can only support 128mb Duo cards.
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mib1800
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@jah:
agree with u that 6600 should not be compared directly with P900.
6600 is like windows with lots of functionality (provided by 3rd party programs).
P900 is like a Mac catering to a certain niche market and does not hv so many software support but it handles those functions better. |
Jah
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er...I assume you know that both the 6600 and the P900/P910 use Symbian 7 - a situation very different from that of the MAC and PC. Strange comparison. The whole point of Symbian is to support a number of form factors with the same robust communications centric OS. Also the UIQ user interface and tablet/palm form factor is used by SE for the P800/P900/P910, Moto A920, A925, A1000 and Benq. These devices are sold in very high numbers for 2G & 3G; the Moto UIQ devices probably outsell the P900 in a 21 month period. I don't see what point you're trying to make.
Edit: using your logic the Series 80 is also a niche product!
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mib1800
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@jah:
even if P900 / 6600 are using symbian but the UI are different. this makes software written for one is not compatible on the other. it is as good as different OS.
and current only series 60 symbian phones are shipping in volume. in europe, series 60 is used in 75% of smartphone sold. the rest is accounted by ms, palm, uiq and nokia series 80.
so my analogy still applies.
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Jah
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Sorry mate - the whole point of Symbian is to allow developers to minimise changes for different user interfaces/form factors. I know as I was a beta tester for Quickword & Quicksheet, which were ported from Series 60 to UIQ very quickly. I would have to agree that the most popular apps appear in Series 60 first but they don't take long to move to UIQ (e.g. Wayfinder). As more developers move to Symbian more will develop Series 60, 80, 90 and UIQ apps.
Also if you looked at 3G phones I think you might the situation reversed in terms of sales between Nokia Series 60 and UIQ! |
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the answer is yes, 6600 can do anything p910 can and maybe even more because of more software available
regarding 3G, look 6630 is the very first 3G S60 headset. and as I already wrote in a different thread, 8 of 10 3G phones are sold neither by SE nor by Nokia but by LG, Nec, Motorola .. the UIQ devices you mentioned are not sold that well, mib1800 is right on this. nokia outsells 8:1 compared to the all symbian pruducers combined!
btw quicksheet, slovoed, agendus and many other apps for UIQ/S60 were long time on the palm os platform 
btw series 80 _is_ a niche product
anyways p910 should be compared with 9300 (it's the same size/weight/target and _price_) and in that case 9300 wins hands down .. p910 doesn't come even close to it .. |
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I can't believe people are comparing mobile phone speeds!! What, now we have a benchmark for that?? I put the blame on Intel ...
As much as I think the Nokia 6600/7610 Series60 are very nice phones, the P900/910 is just too different, exclusive and expensive for someone who doesn't use many of its features properly or as intended.
For instance, if you don't appreciate the P900's jog-dial or touch screen, Opera's multi-page browsing, there is no way you're going to prefer it over all other competing devices. The way you can select multiple items and perform actions without having to constantly scroll up and down, left and right, mark and un-mark.
For me the P900/910 is even better than the Nokia 9500 simply because of this unique speed and ease of navigation and input, any input. It's all in the stylus and the jog-dial. It's all done instantly, in a non-linear fashion.
Makes for a world of difference, but just cannot be put in numbers or megahertz. |
Jah
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So you've seen a detailed comparison, objective, between these devices then (i.e. P910 & Nokia 9300)?
If you check you data on 3G Smartphones you'll see that Moto UIQ phones outsell others - they've sold more A920s & A925s that P900 in some periods!
I wish people would recognise that different people have different requirements. The P800/P900/P910s have sold well and SE have continued investment in Symbian (these devices have sold better than Sony Clie Plam devices!). If the 6600 was so compelling no P900s would ever be sold and everybody would by 6600 instead of non-Smartphones as here in the UK the 6600 is free on many networks! But people don't - because no everyone needs a Smartphone as people have different requirements. As it has been said, and not been acknowledged, the UIQ platform provides a different design for input and management of information - one which even Nokia recognise a valid alternative and one worth investing in (Series 90). These is a reason why the bulk of PDAs, which are information management intensive devices compared to non-Smartphones, have large touch screens.
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Jah wrote:
These is a reason why the bulk of PDAs, which are information management intensive devices compared to non-Smartphones, have large touch screens.
And to that I'd like to add:
... and there is also a reason why Psion devices, relying so much on miniature keyboard input, have not had much of an impact as PDA's.
But ... and this is a fact of life, People are only interested in design (ie. looks) and numbers (specs), and not the actual usability of a device. Thus, Nokia's 9500/9300 will woe many and sell quite well. To me, they're not a lot different from Psions of old. |
Jah
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Cool - if you look at the evolution of the tablet PDA (classic Palm V) to the PDAs today, many have thumb pad add-ons and IR/BT keyboards. The Psions were way ahead of their time in terms of usability. The Nokia 9300 I think will start to change things, especially when they add WiFi in the next generation. Psion recognised that connectivity and usability were the two key requirements for portable devices.
Edit: for those too young to remember, Symbian was started by Psion and Nokia; Symbian used Psion's EPOC32 as the starting point. And EPOC itself was inspired by the DEC VAX VMS systems!
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On 2004-09-24 20:00:01, wapchimp wrote:
Yes it can. It has pop3 email, wap, calender, notepad, internet (with opera), zip files, video,lI camera. Just missing the touch screen, which for games is better than P8/9.
Just misses MP3's - but u can downoad a player for it
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This is not strickty correct the 6600 has an lnferior contacts manager, So if you need to transfer contacts en mass you must connect both the 6600 and the other device to a PC! or perform the whole transfer one by one! not really what you expect of a "smart" device the P900 allows you to make a full transfer of all contacts vla a Bluetooth connection as a single simple process.
IMH0 the P900 lnterface is also far more logical and simple to use, plus the jog wheel is far more user friendly than the rather fiddly joystick of the 6600 I personaly find the build quality of both devices to be of equal quality but the P900 is IMHO by far the better allround!.. performer.
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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