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b-chill
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They dont have sim cards! very strange. so thats one of the reasons why the s700 are coming so much later than the SO.. the hardware are not the same at all.. two completlydifferent phones, sharing the same formfactor
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BobaFett
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looks like the old 450 system here in hungary, they didnt used sim cards too. years ago sy asked me to repair him a nokia, it was from italy, it hadnt sim card slot aswell. |
Jowi
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my first nokia (N909) didnt have a simcard |
BobaFett
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dont remeber the model, think it looked like 2110.
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Lynx69
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What?  The phone is built in with a number etc?
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BobaFett
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yes. it was the first gsm system in my country on 450 mH. think they stopped it ca 3 or 4 years ago, cos a lot of ppl used it, especially in the countryside. nokia, benefon etc brands had handsets for them.
http://images.google.co.hu/im[....]hu&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=benefon+450i
http://images.google.co.hu/images?hl=hu&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=nokia+450
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bacanito
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Here's a lil info about the subject...I'm not 100% sure about Japan, but here in Canada and the U.S., GSM is not the main network technology used as far as mobile phones and data transmission is concerned. The technology is actually called CDMA and just as mentionned, there are no SIM cards. The identity of the phone(internally called MIN for Mobile Identification Number) is actually determined through programming the handset and those parameters are then recognized by the network.
Also, MOST cell phones in Canada are locked because of the way the market is setup. Independent dealers are a minority. The sad thing I think, especially after having lived in Switzerland for 3 years, is the consequence of this: See, through the agreements that cell phone operators work out with mobile phone manufacturers, you can almost tell what company a cell phone user is with just by looking @ his handset! Most SE phones in Canada are distributed through FIDO (fido.ca). Luckily, mine is unlocked (purchased in Europe) so I still have the choice, but most people aren't as lucky.
Unfortunately, because GSM has existed in Canada for less than 10 years, the coverage outside metropolitan areas is far from the best, and it slows down the growth and expansion of the network. CDMA works differently than GSM, and one thing I absolutely hate about it is that where with GSM, most or all phones have the same reception capability (either you have coverage, or you don't), CDMA phone reception can vary from one handset to the next, and they also have antennas that you pull out for better reception, kind of like an old radio.
CDMA is also divided in 3 types of coverage : analog, digital, and now 1x-RTT...Analog offers better reception BUT network capabilities (how many users can use the network @ once) is very limited and uses up the battery much quicker than digital, which is why within a few years it will have disapeared (im sure i spelled that wrong lol). With digital coverage, North America was introduced to functions like sms, WAP and such and now with 1x, picture messaging and more advanced features. I still believe that north america is way behind on mobile communications. We can brag all we want about North America for being cool and shit like that, but when it comes to cell phones, I'm European all the way! 
Having worked for cell phone companies that use both technologies, both from an employee and a consumer stand point, I find GSM to be much less complicated as far as networking is concerned, and much more problems arise from the CDMA technology. In many cases with GSM, either it works or it doesnt. With CDMA, troubleshooting can be a hell of a lot more time consuming, more possibilities, etc. Not worth it in my opinion.
So that was my 2 cents, hope it answers some of your questions...
Here are a couple of helpful links if you want to read up on it and get more precise answers...
http://www.google.ca/search?q=CDMA+vs+GSM&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=
A CDMA technology site:
http://www.cdg.org/technology/index.asp
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I wanna move back to Europe to have a job that would allow me to afford a P900 
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BobaFett
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@bacanito respect, very nice job!
T606, T608
Multimedia-enabled phone for the North American CDMA market.
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b-chill
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Yeah thanks alot... didnt knew all that... I´ve just been in germany, cause i wanted to make my german better. i went everyday to a language school in hamburg. in my class where a japanese. and we spoke, of cause, a lot about phones. therefore i know this about the lacking simcard. I just wonder: can the phone then be reprogrammed, if u want another number, and can u take ur number with you if u want another phone?
@BOBA: thx alot for ur reply on PM.! so, i guess, nothing new, ive guessed right!
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BobaFett
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not sure, think its enough to change sg in the sw or fw in case u want/need another handset. but its a good question. do hope our canadian expert can help us.
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bacanito
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@ b-chill
Yes, the phones can be reprogrammed (i.e. changing the phone number, etc.) but not everyone can do it simply because programming requires a lock code, which is detained by the operator. Of course, as we all know, similarly with GSM SIM-locks, if you know the right people (some might call it the "wrong" people lol), anything is possible.
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BobaFett
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@bacanito do u use cdma fone too? is there any difference at the price compared to gsm fones ( and call, sms ) ? tia |
bacanito
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On 2004-06-11 20:50:06, bobafett wrote:
not sure, think its enough to change sg in the sw or fw in case u want/need another handset. but its a good question. do hope our canadian expert can help us.
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lol @ Canadian expert!
Actually, after one year and 10 months of working for Orange, I moved back to Canada the none of the Canadian GSM operators wanted to hire me lol So I don't think I'm an expert anymore with all the updates in GSM technology since February 2003. So yeah, I can't accept the title of Canadian Expert  |
bacanito
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@ boba
As I mentionned, I really dislike anything that has to do with CDMA, and although my previous employer was a cell phone operator that used CDMA, i never bothered getting one. I love my P800, I want a P900, and none of the phones they had could give me the functions that these handsets offered...you want an idea of what you can get from CDMA operators? Check out these links, you'll see what CDMA has to offer...A LOT of clamshells (or flips as they call them here)...these are very popular because they are trendy and "cool"...Just to give you an idea of how behind north america is when it comes to mobile phones, Motorola up until recently had a huge part of the market. I've always thought Motorola sucked, but they sell a lot of flips lol anyways, browse these links, should answer your questions...
Bell Mobility:
http://www.bell.ca/shop/appli[....]llphone)&SUB_CATEGORY=Postpaid
Telus Mobility:
http://www.telusmobility.com/qc/pcs/handset_home.shtml
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BobaFett
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@bacanito thx. Yes, its really weird that the us market likes such technology, but i think their system is build well and must work perfect, otherwise they would change it. I am really interested the marketshare of cdma and other technologies in the us. Any infos about it?
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