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moogoo
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@etaab - unlike Nokia, Sony still has a compact camera business. If they put everything their compact camera can do into their flagship phone, their compact camera business would be cannibalized almost instantly. I, personally, think that's the biggest reason.
Second reason, is target market. Sony is in the business of making cell phones to compete against the likes of Apple and Samsung. They are not out to make the greatest cameraphone because quite frankly, that market is niche. To do what they have done in the Z1 and engineered that camera in such a thin body is impressive. It can and does outperform any other android flagship in many, many areas including camera.
And I disagree with your statement about not caring about the hump. I want a great camera but I wouldn't want it to have a hump. Perhaps 5 years ago, but not today.
Anyway.. 1020/808 .. they are in a different class as far as camera phones go. Much larger sensor and much more camera centric features. It is clear that they should and do outperform the Z1. But, the Z1 can and does produce photos that come close to the 1020 in certain situations, and that is impressive. Who knows, with some more software tweaks, it might even get closer to the 1020. I wish I knew someone around who has a 1020 so I could challenge them to a shootout.. but i guess that's the problem.. no one has a 1020.
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Tsepz_GP
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On 2013-09-22 19:36:03, etaab wrote:
Sadly, Sony phones have the most compromises of all the big names. Usually, purposefully which is by far the strangest way of making products imo.
Anyone who buys a phone primarily for its camera wouldn't be bothered at all by a camera hump. The hump is there to serve a purpose. With the Z1, Sony are just pretending the phone is capable when really the camera is a bit like the HTC One's - nothing special at all. Its camera is no better than anything that's come before.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2013-09-22 18:37 ]
You know what I find hilarious? GSMArena is now being labelled as biased due to the Lumia 1020 review vs the Z1 review, now that the Z1 results haven't come in favor of those who like Sony, GSMArena went from being credible to being biased overnight, it's never Sony's fault as they simply can't do no wrong, unbelievable.
It seems Nokia has done an outstanding job with the Lumia 1020, it's no 808PV, but it's definitely the best Camera smartphone readily available globally, got to give Nokia credit where it's due. 
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etaab
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@ moogoo - Sony's compact camera market would not be cannibalised. They just don't have the technology Nokia do when it comes to cameraphones. Otherwise, they wouldn't feel the need to release these silly clip on lenses to improve the phones camera further.
I do agree though that Sony are too busy going for the target market, fashion over functions, but its slowly becoming a dying market. I know less and less people with iPhones now than I did two years ago. Those people haven't died, moved planet or anything bizarre, they're bought Android phones due to stupid Apple restrictions.
And how can you disagree with my statement regarding camera humps ? if someone buys a phone for its camera knowing it has the hump which therefore gives it such a good camera and is happy to go ahead with the sale - then clearly they don't mind the hump. If they did they wouldn't buy it surely ?? I don't mind a hump at all if it means I get the best camera in the business.
By the way this isn't a thread for Sony bashing, this is all about the cameras for me, but when you say nobody has a 1020, well, nobody has a Z1, Z or Xperia T or S either. I don't know anyone with a Sony phone at the moment. I don't see anyone with one in the street, in bars, shopping malls etc. I expect the 1020 will sell much better than any other WP phone before it due to its camera alone and probably dwarf the sales of the Z1, HTC One and other wannabe flagships.
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moogoo
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@etaab - well we can agree that neither of us really know what the hell sony is thinking 
as far as the hump - i only meant that even today, someone looking for a phone wants great camera capability in a slim and sleek device. i think fewer and fewer are willing to accept a hump and only those who value the camera feature above all others in a smartphone, would accept the hump as it's simply necessary with today's tech for what you get.
and i didn't take your comment or anyone else's in this thread as bashing sony. you're all entitled to your opinion. moreover, facts are facts. 1020 has a bigger sensor, probably better optics, and a proven algorithm, not to mention a xenon flash. it should and does outperform the Z1. When i said no one has a 1020, i didn't mean it as a bash. i sincerely wish i knew someone who had one so i could have a shootout. it's true what you say, not many people have sony devices either, especially here in the states. 9 out of 10 people would look at my phone and have no idea what it is.
1020, i think will sell better than previous lumias, but the fact is, it's handicapped by WM. with not a whole lot of app support, that is the biggest compromise a power user can make by getting a 1020. Hopefully, now that Microsoft has acquired nokia's hardware dept, they will put much more effort into getting more app/developer support. Truth be told, i just want iOS to die! haha..
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Bonovox
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I just read later this year Nokia is merging the Smart Camera app and Pro Camera app into one which makes sense
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reeflotz
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On 2013-09-23 18:50:12, etaab wrote:
if someone buys a phone for its camera knowing it has the hump which therefore gives it such a good camera and is happy to go ahead with the sale - then clearly they don't mind the hump. If they did they wouldn't buy it surely ??
If someone buys a phone for it's usability, features, performance, software and form factor being a thin profile, then surely they will mind if there is a hump. Some people are even complaining about bezel thickness. Like I said awhile ago, I see these two phones targeted at different users.
also we were not discussing camera alone awhile back, you changed the topic to camera alone, we were comparing 1020 and Z1 as an overall phone, it started from your quote from GSMArena in the conclusion page, where they discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each other as an overall smartphone, hence why it is in the conclusion part of the review.
On 2013-09-23 18:50:12, etaab wrote:
By the way this isn't a thread for Sony bashing.
really? let me remind you of what you posted just a couple of days ago:
On 2013-09-21 21:37:52, etaab wrote:
I love how they slate the Sony Z1 compared to the 1020 - that's gotta hurt the Sony zealots !
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Bonovox
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But I have seen some images of Sony Z1 it's the best image quality Sony have done for sometime. Some photos in Esato photos section by Xperia Junkie looking at them full size in detail you can see very crisp details in things like distant trees etc. Although I don't know if a software issue or lens issue the photos had blur in right corner. But so does most smartphone cameras suffer with corner softness even the 808 does.
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cu015170
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Some blur here and there on the 808 but its a very small percentage of the frame, especially considering how wide the lens is.. nothing else comes close.
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201309181710N4vIj9.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201210082001b8jVr4.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201309181710N4vIj9.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201309150735B3F97R.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201308312007H900Jr.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ureview/201307232329Al20RF.jpg
I think the 1020 might be suffering because the pixels are in fact smaller than the 808's and lens has to work harder to resolve... not sure tho.
Some of them are fine..
like this
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]ia_1020/201308061617gJj85D.jpg
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Marly
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People can we please return to topic, this is the Lumia 1020 thread, not the 808 PureView-, nor the Sony Z1-topic, both phones have threads of their own.
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cu015170
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All 3 are camera phones, it will be really hard to avoid talking about all of them in all related threads.
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TeeGee
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I don't think, that she wanted people to avoid talking about other phones, but this thread is ridiculous, one could think to be in the wrong thread, as a lot of posts are only about other phones, i.e. 808 or Z1. Like the one above: six photos from the 808 and only one from the 1020, why post that in this thread and not in the 808's topic?
People, who are planning to buy a new smartphone are interested in more than only the camera, when only the cam is interesting, they'd better buy a real camera! But nobody here owns this phone, so nobody can talk any sense about its performance in daily use, resulting in a topic, which is completely useless to people seeking info.
In some other forums, mods delete off-topic posts (masseur did that too), this thread could really use some cleaning-up.
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Sonysta
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On 2013-09-24 13:40:00, Bonovox wrote:
But I have seen some images of Sony Z1 it's the best image quality Sony have done for sometime. Some photos in Esato photos section by Xperia Junkie looking at them full size in detail you can see very crisp details in things like distant trees etc. Although I don't know if a software issue or lens issue the photos had blur in right corner. But so does most smartphone cameras suffer with corner softness even the 808 does.
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Bonovox
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[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2013-09-25 03:11 ] Phone?? What phone?? |
false_morel
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I don't get it why would someone compare the Z1 to the 1020 camera wise!
One has a Xenon flash, 2.6x lossless zoom, OIS, a higher class sensor, and the other is a standard cameraphone comparable to the standard bunch.
Video quality isn't even comparable.
Here is a studio test from GSMarena comparing the S4, Z1, and 1020: http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=5125&idCamera2=30007&idCamera3=30008
Somehow the S4 come much closer to the 1020 than the Z1 which look really poor in that comparison.
Although these studio tests for this category of cameras is useless imo.
From what I've seen so far, the 1020 is a no brainer for someone interested in modern smartphone coupled with a capable fully fledged compact camera.. | |
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