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etaab
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On 2010-11-27 15:21:53, Shino03 wrote:
Can't you just guys admit that Nokia is wrong on that move
No, not until the phones which use this new way of focusing are released and put through their paces. Nobody can.
Remember, the N8 is Nokia's own camera centric device, the rest simply are not which is why it lacks AF. Its something thats missing from many smartphones. Many !
You can argue that yes those phones arent very high in the megapixel count, but how many times on this very forum have we all seen people say that megapixels dont always mean better image quality ? because it does not. Lets face it there will come a time when phones are released with 12mp cameras by default, even if the camera is quite poor compared to the N8 / Satio / Pixon.
I dont see a problem here until we see samples from the phones in question.
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mrjulius
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geez.. Whats the point?
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false_morel
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Here's an article from ASS explaining all about this EDoF implemented by Nokia in their low to mid-range phone, with listing the cons and pros of such feature over AF..
And here's a quote by Steve Litchfield reviewing the C6-01 camera:
"The Nokia C6-01 comes with the Extended Depth of Field camera, which in Steve's words "makes taking pictures almost foolproof". Well, almost. Nokia's software cannot help with composition of the picture, the available lighting, or shakey hand syndrome when you take the picture.
What it will do is make sure that every part of the picture will be in focus. It does this through using an asymmetrical lens, sampling the three different levels of colour (red, green and blue) on small patches of the picture, doing lots of complicated maths, and getting a sharp image as a result.
Does it make for a less frustrating photo taking experience for someone not used to taking pictures? I think it does. In my case, it means trying to assess light levels and how the picture is framed. There are options to adjust the light sensitivity and exposure in the pop up icon screen, but I'll be honest, leaving it on automatic is good enough for me.
Do I do arty shots that need manipulations of focus to get a depth of field effect? Nope. Nor do I need to do really close up and intricate work with this camera. The C6 sits in my pocket for those quick snap moments, mostly of my family or a nice landscape view while I'm travelling. Given those requirements, a camera that can be pulled out, a long press on the shutter key to open the camera app, then another tap to take the picture, and I'm satisfied.
It's easy to see why point and shoot cameras are being sidelined by the smartphone - the C6 is both a simple camera to use and one that can give 'above average to excellent' shots, depending on circumstances."
Nokia's approach is all clear and justified here!
This cheaper focusing hardware is meant for cheaper low and mid-range phones. It makes sense and it has its pros as well. Users going for such cheaper phones wont be seeking high-end cameraphones. All they need is a fast and simple point and shoot handset.
Consumers who seek a high-end cameraphone should go for the N8. Simple.
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etaab
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Those of us that follow Nokia's new features or functions have known about these EDOF cameras for quite some time. They're not something that appeal to me all that much but one thing we have been certain of is that there is a reason Nokia will be using them and not simply because they're ripping customers off. In fact, we may find people might prefer EDOF cameras over other phones with AF cameras.
Hell, i might stick my neck out here and say the EDOF range of phones might just take better and sharper pictures than the X10 !
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Shino03
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On 2010-11-27 20:29:12, etaab wrote:
On 2010-11-27 15:21:53, Shino03 wrote:
Can't you just guys admit that Nokia is wrong on that move
No, not until the phones which use this new way of focusing are released and put through their paces. Nobody can.
Well, there are apparently reviews now of the C6-01. Aren't those enough?
"Do I do arty shots that need manipulations of focus to get a depth of field effect? Nope. Nor do I need to do really close up and intricate work with this camera. The C6 sits in my pocket for those quick snap moments, mostly of my family or a nice landscape view while I'm travelling. Given those requirements, a camera that can be pulled out, a long press on the shutter key to open the camera app, then another tap to take the picture, and I'm satisfied."
I somehow agree in that case but have you forgotten that those phones are also smartphones especially that high-end E7? I wonder how will barcode readers work? Anyway, I believe that people have different preferences. If you want a phone with that so-called "Extended Depth of Field camera" then fine with me but just want to inform others that they should be aware that when using those phones to make sure to keep a distance of at least 50cm away from the object; That macro shots will be a MIRACLE... Just like to add, in gsmarena's review there is somehow no mention of that feature. It's also clear that the image quality is not as nice as you have expected...
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false_morel
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On 2010-11-28 15:08:27, Shino03 wrote:
I somehow agree in that case but have you forgotten that those phones are also smartphones especially that high-end E7? I wonder how will barcode readers work?
E7 is business phone. Why would the camera be a selling focus point?
As to those barcodes readers, as far as I know, barcodes optimized for cell phones could be read with or without AF..
But the point to stress on here, it's shouldn't be described as decetiful act from Nokia!
They have an approach, and they justified it through their media outlets... I see no deceiving here.
You don't like those cameras.. Just don't buy those products!
Many on the other hand couldn't care less about macro shots, and could much more that they can easily and quickly to snap photos and did welcome that feature from Nokia..
It's all simple. That feature by Nokia has it pros and cons. If it fits you, go for those products. If not, just go get other phones!
Yet, all over the net you have some smartasses analyzing why Nokia went for this full focus.. Some say to cut down the production costs.. Others say it's a poor outdated strategy.. I say, you know what's really outdated here, it's those journalists who can't come with something new to accuse Nokia of!
Some even claim Nokia did so to help the N8 sell more! It can't get any more stupid than this! So they release three other phones and risk them not to sell good just for the sake of thier flahship phone. It's either some people are blindly stupid or just f**kin got out of their damn minds!!
I'm not a Nokia fan btw.. But I got some brains to use and analyze things myself.. I don't need a biased wiseass Eldar to help me out in this, nor do I need to read any bullshit article out there..
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etaab
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Id like to know just how many people use barcode reading software and functions anyway. I had a barcode reader on my N93 back in 2006, every phone ive bought since has had the same software yet never once have i actually needed it or used it. Its one of those gimmicks imo that does not have a future.
I also notice the N8 appears to be my first phone in years without such software from the box. Possibly Nokia think the same as myself ?
Anyway moving on..
Nokia C7 review: Rise and shine
GSMArena team, 03 November 2010.
Update 05 Nov: To redeem the Nokia C7 here are a couple of shots taken with the sharpness set to a lower, more acceptable level. As you can see, most of the artifacts seen on the previous samples are now gone so the result is definitely more pleasing.
With sharpness tuned down, photos turned out for the better so much so that we actually went ahead and shot a comparative shot with the XPERIA X10. The Nokia C7 is actually quite on par with the XPERIA X10 - except in closeup shots, of course where the fixed focus C7 loses by a wide margin.
oh and they also said
the videos shot with the Nokia C7 did manage to impress us. The amount of resolved detail is good enough, colors look nice, noise levels are kept reasonably low. They are perhaps even better than those produced by the XPERIA X10 after it got its HD-touting 2.1 update
So, what does that say ? well to me id rather have autofocus any day of the week, id rather just have that extra control. But, it would seem these early reviews are quite good of these EDOF camera modules.
Besides, like we keep going back to, the phones equiped with EDOF cameras are simply mid range smartphones, or higher end smartphones not intended to be camera orientated as such. I still dont see a problem here, Blackberry dont make great cameras but have business spec devices, HTC also make great smartphones but rather poor cameras, the same goes for Samsung who's cameras are either bad, mediocre or outright brilliant on phones like the Pixon series. Theres no inbetween.
I dont see why Nokia should be so different. If you're expecting the same camera in the N8 to be present in every Nokia device, what would differentiate each one from another ??
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etaab
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Heres an interesting article, well worth a read:
Damian Dinning on Nokia’s Full Focus Cameras
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Bonovox
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Some business phones with high quality cameras can & I think do come in handy to some business people. Say for instance architects or surveyors who may need to take pics for their work. The c6 pics do not look that bad to me
www.gsmarena.com/nokia_c6_01-review-537p6.php
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etaab
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True, recently a surveyor and solicitor came to my business premises to inspect the unit above my store that im the manager of, i had to give them access as they did not have a key and watched as they took pictures on their cameraphones, one being an iPhone, the other a blackberry.
They're good samples on GSM area, but i think i'll stick with my N8.
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Posted: 2010-11-27 20:29
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