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N8īs Major Camera Desing Flaw - Poor Flare Performance |
jake20
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Vit have you applied these hacks to get bigger photos and 30 FPS video?
I dont have a dev cert, and dont really feel like posting my IMEI on the internet, or i would of tried them already.
But i really do want the 30fps video..
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Bonovox
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@jake20 that is a stunning panorama shot 
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Vit
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On 2010-11-06 22:08:19, jake20 wrote:
Hi Vit,
I will have to do some more testing, but I don't think I have had this problem either.. definitely nothing like that yellow line in the picture.
I have a green N8 also, so its kind of bright.
I will try to take some more shots to try and reproduce your issue, but I don't think i am having this problem.
But I know you know what you are talking about when it comes to taking pictures.. so I am not questioning what you are seeing.
Its possible I have just not taken a shot under the right lighting to notice this problem.
How is the best way i can re-produce this issue?
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-11-06 21:27 ]
Hi, Jake!
Well, that shot with the whole yellow line was the only one Iīve got from that kind, and I needed to 'seek' for that 'magic spot'. All others also have strong flare only @ certain angles, so itīs not an ever present effect.
Try to vary the angles when shooting a scene with strong light sources coming from both sides and from above and below. Your pano shot, for instance. The last pic from the right shows a strong loss of contrast and dynamic range due to flare.
@ etaab: Fisrt of all, I really do not know where you saw 'paintjob' in my messages.
Wide angle lenses have critical flare performance, thatīs true, but I guess that in the N8 it is even more critical sometimes.
Iīll be posting some of my shots @ the 'post your pictures' thread.
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Vit
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On 2010-11-06 22:41:54, jake20 wrote:
Vit have you applied these hacks to get bigger photos and 30 FPS video?
I dont have a dev cert, and dont really feel like posting my IMEI on the internet, or i would of tried them already.
But i really do want the 30fps video..
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I have them signed, but Iīve not tried them out. Iīm planning to use the 97% quality .sis, but I am afraid of messing with video fps. I saw the video sample posted by hx and that was simply amazing. 11Mbps of video bitrate. Impressive stuff indeed.
Get you certificate @ opda. Their site do not have tricky links or scripts. Iīve got mine yesterday.
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Vit
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On 2010-11-06 22:09:08, etaab wrote:
I think what Vit is getting at is the silver brushed metal around the casing that then turns into the camera glass.
Personally i see what hes getting at, but i dont think its responsible. My N8 had a few lens flare issues when shooting into the light but i know that wider angle lenses are more susceptable to such an effect.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-11-06 21:10 ]
Look @ your own shots:
LOOK CLOSER @ THESE SHOTS: THE STRONGEST LIGHT SOURCE COMES FROM THE RIGHT, AND THE FLARE IS SHOWING AT THE LEFT. HOW ODD IS THAT? This cleraly shows that the light is getting reflected by some undesired agent, donīt you think? That highly reflective brushed surface is a serious candidate for that.
See what I am saying?
Try to take them with some of your fingers blocking the sunlight. Youīll be amazed by the difference that makes.
Have you ever heard of lens hood? Thatīs where the idea of 'blocking fingers' come from.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-11-07 15:58 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
jake20
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On 2010-11-07 16:48:42, Vit wrote:
On 2010-11-06 22:41:54, jake20 wrote:
Vit have you applied these hacks to get bigger photos and 30 FPS video?
I dont have a dev cert, and dont really feel like posting my IMEI on the internet, or i would of tried them already.
But i really do want the 30fps video..
Link text...
I have them signed, but Iīve not tried them out. Iīm planning to use the 97% quality .sis, but I am afraid of messing with video fps. I saw the video sample posted by hx and that was simply amazing. 11Mbps of video bitrate. Impressive stuff indeed.
Get you certificate @ opda. Their site do not have tricky links or scripts. Iīve got mine yesterday.
does 30FPS video take up a lot more storage space than 25fps? |
Bonovox
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On 2010-11-07 16:53:57, Vit wrote:
On 2010-11-06 22:09:08, etaab wrote:
I think what Vit is getting at is the silver brushed metal around the casing that then turns into the camera glass.
Personally i see what hes getting at, but i dont think its responsible. My N8 had a few lens flare issues when shooting into the light but i know that wider angle lenses are more susceptable to such an effect.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-11-06 21:10 ]
Look @ your own shots:
LOOK CLOSER @ THESE SHOTS: THE STRONGEST LIGHT SOURCE COMES FROM THE RIGHT, AND THE FLARE IS SHOWING AT THE LEFT. HOW ODD IS THAT? This cleraly shows that the light is getting reflected by some undesired agent, donīt you think? That highly reflective brushed surface is a serious candidate for that.
See what I am saying?
Try to take them with some of your fingers blocking the sunlight. Youīll be amazed by the difference that makes.
Have you ever heard of lens hood? Thatīs where the idea of 'blocking fingers' come from.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-11-07 15:58 ]
Perhaps you should scratch that area to make it less shiny. But if that is the case that's not good I guess Nokia may have to release newer models without this & give replacements if they see it as a problem
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jake20
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Guys,
Go here --> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/11/05/interview-with-damian-dinning-nokia-n8-imaging/
Damian Dinning is answering questions on the N8 camera right now..Post any questions you have quickly while he is still around!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-11-07 21:51 ] |
voda_jon
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@jake20 yeh it uses a hell of a lot more storage... i took a 5min firework video and i have the full 100% image mod with 30fps vid and it come in at just under 500mb!!! so about 100mb per min but quality is great especially in the images!!!
Luckily for me i live in the uk where lens flare tends not to be a big issue day to day and when it is am too busy enjoyin the sun to care about it appearing in my images. |
DarkKrypt
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'the ring' needs to be like satios 
not saying n8 is a bad phone my father in law loves it espesh over his iphone 3gs.
hes never going down the birdshi-t way again
and i like it too:) great design nice features etc.
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Vit
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Hereīs the message I left there:
Hello, Damian.
My big question is: why limiting its shutter speed to 1/5s?
I understand that 1/5s in Night Mode is a big improvement over the normal mode, but at the same time it has a slightly slower Shutter Speed, it also cranks up the ISO.
I will not discuss how important it is for the general user, but I guess that a SW implementation of an Advanced User Menu would be greatly welcome, and doesnīt represent a big challange for your team.
The average user would never use it, but I guess that this would unleash the power within the 'biggest sensor ever fitted in a mobile'.
Look at the contenders from the past: Satio and Pixon12, for instance.
The Satio enables 1s SS and ISO 100-160 in its Twilight Landscape Mode.
The Pixon12 enables 1s SS and ISO-50 in its Fireworks Mode.
Some might like the answer:
'It doesnīt have slower SS because it doesnīt have a tripod mount.'
IF THATīS TRUE, WHY HAVE YOU FITTED A 20s SELF-EXPOSURE TIMER IN IT? Where would you leave it if it doesnīt sport a tripod mount?
Besides that, itīs pretty much annoying having to enter the gallery everytime I want to zoom at the picture Iīve just taken and then returning to the camera interface to take another one.
Another big question regards the video mode: recently, the HX modder has managed to increase both fps and the video bitrate to 30fps and 11Kbps (previously 25 fps and 6Kbps). His sample video looks truly amazing. Are these changes secure Hardware wise?
So, my suggestions are:
- Enabling an ADVANCED USER MENU where we can choose manual Shutter Speeds and Manual ISO (100,200,400,800);
- Enabling zooming in the revision window;
- Embed the EV ruler within the frame. Change EV position by tapping at an arrow, not by changing the selector position (itīs too tiny);
- Tap to change Modes and Flash settings, instead of tapping to enter a menu and then selecting a setting;
- Tap-to-focus;
- Autofocus in Video Mode;
- Increase the JPEG quality to 97%.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
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jake20
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Vit,
I agree with everything you say here.. but you may of given Damian too much here. too many requests.
I think he will maybe not respond to too much criticism.
I posed him with 3 questions and he answered them.. basically his answers are..
1. 30FPS video is coming soon, and they didn't include it because it wasn't 100% stable yet.
2. Update to Panorama app is coming soon
3. They are looking into HDR, but can't guarantee anything
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-11-08 16:39 ] |
mrjulius
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maybe in the next model 
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jake20
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Vit,
I see Damian answered you.. this is good news, and he seems to also agree and already aware of everything you posted.
When the updates come it should shut up all the Nokia Haters here (see post above) |
mriley
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What was his reply..?
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