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how much more expensive is a CCD sensor in a cell phone ? |
tai020381
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If thats the case I can also say that for CMOS sensor!!! If I pick a good CMOS sensor and embed it into the phone it can also produce good images! Only problem is whether the price of the phone will shoot to respectable prices for general users! There's a debate on CCD vs CMOS quality. Professional DSLR cameras also had CMOS sensors in it too. |
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From this article:
. . . CMOS is rapidly catching up to CCD in many areas. However, high quality, lowlight images still give CCD's an advantage, but at higher costs.
It seems we're discussing something that has been covered in the K850 thread already, so I'll just quote my own post with comparison shots:
On 2007-08-22 10:46:43, AbuBasim wrote:
The second and final comparison of CMOS vs CCD. Here follows 640x480 crops from 2MP photos, shown at 100 percent scale:
CMOS:
CCD:
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On 2007-08-28 18:54:59, AbuBasim wrote:
From this article:
. . . CMOS is rapidly catching up to CCD in many areas. However, high quality, lowlight images still give CCD's an advantage, but at higher costs.
Thats why I'm questioning Plank why the need for CCDs in phones.
From your site it states:
POWER CONSUMPTION
CCD's consume several times more power then CMOS.
And from the site you referred it clearly states CMOS can do nearly all the job CCD does at a lower cost!
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On 2007-08-28 19:12:27, tai020381 wrote:
On 2007-08-28 18:54:59, AbuBasim wrote:
From this article:
. . . CMOS is rapidly catching up to CCD in many areas. However, high quality, lowlight images still give CCD's an advantage, but at higher costs.
Thats why I'm questioning Plank why the need for CCDs in phones.
From your site it states:
POWER CONSUMPTION
CCD's consume several times more power then CMOS.
And from the site you referred it clearly states CMOS can do nearly all the job CCD does at a lower cost!
Yes, if you're prepared to compromise on quality. Look at my samples above on this page comparing CMOS and CCD shots.
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There is no point of CCD in a phone. If there was, we would have phones with CCD already. CMOS is good enough.
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tai020381
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Then how do you explain this DSLR photo quality?
This is a CMOS camera. No jagged edges and very little noise produced.(It's not called DSLR for nothing.)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D/E5DA.HTM
Canon EOS-5D Highlights
12.8-megapixel (effective), 35.8 x 23.9mm, 12-bit RGB CMOS sensor delivering 4,368 x 2,912-pixel images. |
AbuBasim
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On 2007-08-28 19:26:34, QVGA wrote:
There is no point of CCD in a phone. If there was, we would have phones with CCD already. CMOS is good enough.
Good enough for you. I am glad that there are better options.
On 2007-08-28 19:29:32, tai020381 wrote:
Then how do you explain this DSLR photo quality?
This is a CMOS camera. No jagged edges and very little noise produced.(It's not called DSLR for nothing.)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D/E5DA.HTM
Canon EOS-5D Highlights
12.8-megapixel (effective), 35.8 x 23.9mm, 12-bit RGB CMOS sensor delivering 4,368 x 2,912-pixel images.
We talked about bulk before. How large would your camera phone be if it had a full-frame (35mm) sensor? And would it be cheap?
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I'm sure there's good CMOS sensors small enough to fit into a mobile phone now only thing is about price, which Plank mentioned in this topic. I think Plank has only been exposed to good CCD sensors and have not come across laudible CMOS sensors so he hopes that CCD sensors replace upcoming SE phones lolz and willig to fork out the extras into that upcoming CCD phone. |
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If there were good CMOS sensors, why didn't SE put one of those in the K850i, their new flagship Cyber-shot model? I have seen the sample shots and those are still just good enough for 4x6 prints.
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Marketing?? Cost cutting?? If they produced camera-like images consumers will all buy k850 and there will be a super drop in digital camera sales (Sony also produced Digital cameras and they will also affect their own sales). Also, if they released instant best quality camera phones, there will be no future improvements in future camera phoneswill have nothing to hype about. Now you know why SE (and other companies) improvise their phones bit by bit (from digital zom to future optical zoom). If they came out with a super-duper phone right now they will not earn in the future. So now I can also predict future SE phone come up with embedded GPS, Wifi. Its only matter of time and how the market goes along with it. |
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On 2007-08-28 20:01:32, tai020381 wrote:
Marketing?? Cost cutting?? If they produced camera-like images consumers will all buy k850 and there will be a super drop in digital camera sales (Sony also produced Digital cameras and they will also affect their own sales).
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Actually a good point. Makes sense when looking at i-mobile and how they made a very, very good camera phone, the 902. They do not have a corresponding digicam company that would loose on sales.
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On 2007-08-28 17:55:41, plankgatan wrote:
On 2007-08-28 13:21:13, QVGA wrote:
There is no such thing as K950
you dont understand what i mean !
of course  planing a new 5 M.P. Cybershoot phone, (why shouldnt they, they planing new phones all time). and like i said i just "called" it k950i (because thats maybe what gonna call it, the name IS NOT IMPORTANT), im talking about, WHEN and IF coming with a CCD phone.
let say (for fun) that this pictures is true, maybe it also have a CCD sensor.
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I doubt very much thats the k950's housing, I also doubt it will be called that. It will likely be the k900, also, that is a slider lens. If the k850 has auto lens, why would that, have the old slider lens? |
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CCD is better........end of story. (all good digital cameras (nearly) allways have CCD). CCD takes clearer pictures.
JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE I-MOBILE 902 PICTURES....CCD my friends, CCD !
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As plank said, all good compact digital cameras have CCD sensor, and I think they would use CMOS if it had the same quality, but they don't. I also hope that SE will produce a good CCD sensor camera phone, it doesn't have to be 5 MP. Imagine a K750i with CCD sensor, and xenon flash, with K800i screen resolution,and all the improvements from the new phones, or K800/10 with great CCD sensor.That would be something to see!
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this i want to my next (please make it happends...he he
sooooooooo awsome.......CCD rules bigtime
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