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P990 vs HTC TyTn |
Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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From: UK
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@drgopoos
Nokia managed to find an extra 5MB of RAM for their N93 so perhaps there is some hope but the P990s 15MB of free RAM has been a known issue for many months and we've not seen change after two firmware upgrades |
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drgopoos
Joined: Dec 02, 2004
Posts: 307
From: Toronto
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this ram issue , i know has been discussed so much , should be solved soon or else this handset which was hyped so much is going to be the biggest flop in mobile phone history...
if this issue continues there will be no takers for this handset..
i know people who are still looking to get a new p910i... |
darky
Joined: Jun 14, 2005
Posts: 299
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the problem is not the ram it's the os, wm5 which is MUCH HEAVIER has an average 30 mb free ram and if I close everything I can get it over 40,
there is definetley a memory leak (random restarts) and the software for uiq3 sucks so unless they do an overhaul it ain't going away, personally I think uiq2 was way better they should just rollback to that and enhance it or we'll be seeing uiq4 very soon 
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matt69
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
Posts: 250
From: North Yorkshire
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Although i'm now settled with the tytn, i took it on a climb in the lakes this weekend, the camera, even for a 2mp, is awful. Terrible definition on anything other than close-ups. Doesn't compare to the se 2mp cameras. Impossibly fiddly to use when you're holding on to rock! |
darky
Joined: Jun 14, 2005
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I agree on that point, k750 cam is way better than tytn cam (tytn cam lacks the autofocus), but then again k750 cam is better than k800 cam too
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Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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From: UK
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On 2006-10-08 17:30:17, darky wrote:
the problem is not the ram it's the os, wm5 which is MUCH HEAVIER has an average 30 mb free ram and if I close everything I can get it over 40,
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No the problem is the free RAM - it is not sufficient. It does not matter what the problem source is (Symbian 9.1 memory management, UIQ3 being bloated and use of different kind of memory chip set from the Symbian 7 devices and code execution method) the problem as seen by the end user is insufficient RAM.
Edit: with my TyTN and Universal I never manage over 32MB RAM free. Having both the K750 and K800 I have to say IMHO the K800 is better
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darky
Joined: Jun 14, 2005
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it does matter, wm5 works well enough with 64 mb ram,
adding more ram does not fix the problem with the os, there will still be a memory leak as well as having 128 will do more havoc on your battery, they're not loading them with 64 mb only because ram is expensive (ram is pretty cheap nowadays), they are doing it because 128 uses up too much battery (atm)
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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Hi all,
I agree with Jah on this one re Ram and whilst Nokia promised me another 5mb Ram on start up on my N93 for early September i am still waiting for it, even though i am not desperate for it but do think it would be nice. My M600i runs smoothly but that is thanks to SwissManger and not over stretching it. We are now faced with a situation where IMO the latest incarnations of Symbian are very different from the ones they follow. The ability to add and run multiple apps with no fear of running out of Ram are long gone IMO. Whilst firmware upgrades may help performance and stability the next generation of smartphones running Symbian are going to need at least 50% more Ram IMO to run smoothly i just hope Nokia and SE are listening as if they don't up the Ram they can kiss my money bye bye. MDA Vario 3/4/5/ here i come.
Marc
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Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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From: UK
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@darky
Last comment on this subject. The P990 RAM problem has many components hardware and software. If the older memory chip set of the P910 were used the RAM problem would not be as bad. Quote from LISA@CPS from My-symbian "NAND memory does not support Execute-In-Place (XIP), unlike the previously used NOR chips. This means the OS and the built-in applications are loaded to RAM for execution. The result is slower startup and large RAM consumption, because a lot of ROM-based programs run all the time (not only those shown in task managers). The advantage: NAND is cheaper... "
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mrvanx
Joined: Aug 22, 2004
Posts: 91
From: York, UK
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@masseur
Hows the TyTN now after the repair??? (going to send mine soon, need to prepare the P900 again)
HTC TyTN user HT628xxx (iMate ROM (1.20.305.3) - TyTN ext rom (1.18.255.106)
O2-uk - GPRS:179.1 kbit/s - UMTS: 1.1 Mbit/s!!!!!!!! |
mrvanx
Joined: Aug 22, 2004
Posts: 91
From: York, UK
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@ all
Well ive sent the TyTN to HTC in Milton Keynes to get the screen alignment issue repaired, The bloke on the phone was real helpfull and guided me through sortin the phone out before sending it.
Sent it today (Thu-12/10/06) so should expect it back roughly same time next week if all goes well.
LOL back to my old mate P900 for the time being 
HTC TyTN user HT628xxx (iMate ROM (1.20.305.3) - TyTN ext rom (1.18.255.106)
O2-uk - GPRS:179.1 kbit/s - UMTS: 1.1 Mbit/s!!!!!!!! |
Wam7
Joined: Oct 30, 2003
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On 2006-10-08 19:07:14, matt69 wrote:
Although i'm now settled with the tytn, i took it on a climb in the lakes this weekend, the camera, even for a 2mp, is awful. Terrible definition on anything other than close-ups. Doesn't compare to the se 2mp cameras. Impossibly fiddly to use when you're holding on to rock!
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Have you tried taking pictures with the contrast & sharpening set to 1 (especially the sharpening). It improved the quality of outdoor pictures markedly. I think you can set these in the registry so that they remain the default.
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My M600i runs smoothly but that is thanks to SwissManger and not over stretching it.
Marc
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Actually, the original task manager does the same thing as Swiss Man. Pro and with no extra fuss. I was surprised to see that the Swiss Man. Pro doesn't bring anything new except for more info on processes. I was also surprised to see that with 8 apps running (internet with a few tabs in it) the task manager does ok and the phone doesn't slow down or crashes. Great balance in the M600i.
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tkao2025
Joined: Jul 15, 2005
Posts: 166
From: NYC
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After using the Tytn and P990i for a month now. I've put the P990i in the closet. With all the discussion about Ram, I can say that the Tytn is just easier to use for me period. It runs faster, easier to use with one hand, and sync is so much better.
The only thing is.......Tytn is so ugly and the camera is nowhere near as good as the SE's, but other than that. It is a better device IMO. |
matt69
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
Posts: 250
From: North Yorkshire
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@Wam7,
interesting, i'll give this a go and let you know if it improves anything.
Cheers
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