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so who is religous here? |
scotsboyuk
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@gelfen
Whilst I hate to disagree with you my friend I must in this regard; it is not necessarily a perquisite for something to have 'started' the universe or 'created' it in any way. It has been postulated that our universe may in fact be forever in a cycle of expansion and contraction; the Big bang may have happened countless times before and may happen countless times again, in theory nothing has had to start this chain of events.
It is also theorised that our universe is only one of many universes (not parallel universes) existing within a larger construct, which would then lead one into an almost existentialist point of view. At a basic level, our universe might not have been created by any higher intelligence, simply by act of nature. Of course one could then ask what created the larger 'membrane' in which our universe (and all the others) exists, which would be a very valid question. The creation of such a construct is beyond our ability to answer, even theoretically, with any certainty, since outside of our universe, the laws of physics may not necessarily be the same, or exist at all.
Physics is a human invention, a set of rules used to explain the way nature works in terms that our minds can understand. If we are speaking about something, which is outside of the laws of physics then we cannot expect physics, at least as we currently understand it, to be able to explain that something. To explain that, which is currently beyond science we must turn to religion and belief, we have no more accurate information than belief when it comes to dealing with such ideas, even if that belief is in a theory instead of a God. We haven't really advanced very far in relative terms since this is exactly what we have been doing ever since we started to wonder about the world around us.
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Jim
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I'm not, after 5 years studiyng science I can't imagine that a "god" can exists. What you might also think about 'how the universe started?' is: who did god if he made the universe, he must then come from somewhere ... he can't have appeared like that. |
scotsboyuk
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That is precisely the point I was raising in my last post, current scientific understanding assumes that all things have a beginning (though not necessarily an end), and this would then infer that God has a beginning. However, I think you are missing one of the points that I made, we cannot measure that which is beyond our understanding of science with the scientific theories we currently have available.
If there is such a thing as God (whatever God is) then we are assuming that it is beyond our universe and therefore beyond our scientific understanding. I am using the term 'God' here to mean whatever can be thought of as having 'created' our universe. The current laws of physic sonly really allow us to say what has happened, what is happening and what will happen inside our universe; they do not apply to anything outside our universe since we cannot measure outside our universe.
I am not a religious person, but I would have to say that at some point the 'God Factor' comes into play, that is, there comes a point at which we cannot rely on science for answers anymore, instead we must trust in faith, whether that faith is in a God or in a scientific theory. As our scientific understanding progresses we might be able to learn more about the origins of the universe and what may lie beyond it, but I would imagine that this would be long after we are all gone.
Religion is a continuation of science; faith is all we have when science can no longer provide us with facts.
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gelfen
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the How many of you are Christians? thread prompted me to come looking for this. damn i wish i had been able to get back to this thread at the time...
@scots: from what you have written it seems that you don't disagree with me, but that we area both on the same page. my point was that something caused the universe to exist - be it energy, matter, trans-dimensional physics, God, or even small furry creatures from alpha centauri.
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PeterKay
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so who is religous here?
I am definately religious.
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Krubach
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I am a Catholic believer, yes (i don't practice much, though).
Everytime i visit Fátima sanctuary here in Portugal, i feel something strange, cannot describe it in words, it's just a feeling.
Some sort of inner peace...just...hmm...to make it short, i feel i'm very near God.
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fatreg
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im not religious,
i just feel its good that some people have the ability to belive in a book.
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haynesycop
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i am not religious at all either, if someone can prove to be beyond doubt that there is a god then i am happy to believe it when i see it
untill then, i dont believe
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nitesh
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Hmmm! miss so who do you belive in?;-).
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absinthebri
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What about up Buddhist? We have no concept of a creator god nor are we required to believe anything that cannot be demonstrated. Are we, therefore, not religious.
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Vlammetje
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Does religion imply belief in some sort of deity or divine being? If so, I guess I'm not religious.
If religion is defined as 'belief that there are matters that are far beyond he comprehension of the human mind', then I guess I would be called religious 
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absinthebri
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Buddhists concern themselves neither with divine beings nor matters beyond comprehension. I wouldn't call Buddhism a religion but many Buddhist schools disagree with me (and they're a lot smarter than me). It's an interesting question, what is religion?
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Im an Islam. I have to be religious, if im not then theres no way i can consider myself an Islam. To admit one self religion, is to admit one practising it.. such as praying.
Religion is a very interesting topic here, somehow all religion are connected like how Islam is related to Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc..
In Islam we are taught long ago Islam was Jewish at that moment of time. Then Jesus was born, then we were taught new teachings which is Christian, AT THAT time that was Islam for us. We Islam too believe in Jesus, in Islam we call him Esa. Then Mohammad was born after Jesus, then a new teaching is taught again, until today it is still practise, that is Islam of TODAY. Its how the religion evolve over time. Simply its like upgrading firmwares in ur phones... from older firmwares to latest... it just depends on one if he/she chooses to stay or upgrade.. 
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absinthebri
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O2, if Islam has been 'upgraded', may there be a prophet to come after Mohammed (pbuh)?
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Thanks for your question.. a gd one!! In Islam from what we have learnt from the Qu'ran (Holy Book), Islam have a total 25 prophets... From Adam, Noh (Noah), Ibrahim, Esa (Jesus) and Mohammad is the 25th, so there wont be any more prophets after Mohammad. Jesus is the 24th prophet...
The Qu'ran is written by the prophets but words from our god, Allah. During the yrs of Jesus, he updated the holy book from previous prophets, which is known as the Bible today, during THAT period of time, that is our Qu'ran. When Mohammad was born after Jesus, as our last prophet he updated the Bible, which is now known as our Qu'ran of today. As u can see Christianity and Islam has alot in common espacially in both of our Holy Books, just a difference in 1 Prophet.
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