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Hurst
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This really shows the paradox of the new cybershot cameraphones:
They come with Xenon flashes (when introduced, first in the industry) but unfortunately, the cheap CMOS sensors take very granulated and noisy/jagged pictures under low light.
The CCD in the i-mobile 902 blows it away.
What is even more hilarious is that they are using Sony's own hardware to beat Sony at its "Cybershot" game
Shows you what corporate profit mongering means in terms of slowly rolling out marginal facelifts and passing them off as expensive new phones. | |
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jplacson
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http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-08-28 22:51:05, plankgatan wrote:
is it a thai product ? (thats good, im fairly often in Thailand). it seems it cost fairly little ? someone know the new price for it ?
I bought mine from ebay, user penthaitrading. The phone was not used, but brand new and included 1 GB microSD and a very nice pair of Sony earphones (MDR-EX71SL) for use with the provided 3.5mm headphone adapter.
The price for mine was the same, USD249 for the phone and about 40 for shipping.
Be warned! If you buy this phone, it will poison you. You will love the camera but feel that something is lacking from the rest of the phone. But due to the large difference in quality between the camera in this phone and all other phones on the market, you will feel unable to use other phones again. So you will be stuck! 
For me the camera part is number one so I am happy to be trapped in CCD hell. But my P990i is collecting dust. My collegues and friends are laughing when they see what I traded the P990i for, but they stop laughing when I show them a full A4 printout of a sample photo from the i-mobile
The following was an interesting statement:
CMOS cameras may require fewer components and less power, but they still generally require companion chips to optimize image quality, increasing cost and reducing the advantage they gain from lower power consumption.
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Be warned! If you buy this phone, it will poison you. You will love the camera but feel that something is lacking from the rest of the phone. But due to the large difference in quality between the camera in this phone and all other phones on the market, you will feel unable to use other phones again. So you will be stuck!
I agree abu, I also got mine from e-Bay new & unlocked for USD 267,90 + 30 shipping, and that included free 1GB microSD, free Sony headphones and free extra battery.But you have to be careful,with customs in your country, first check the customs and tax in your country.You see I must pay around 80 USD more because of the taxes in my country.I'm going to get the phone soon,in a couple of days.Can't wait!:)
More comparasion:
Some links about the phone:
http://5i01.com/topicdetail.php?f=122&t=343982
http://justamp.blogspot.com/2[....]nokia-n95-vs-i-mobile-902.html
http://justamp.blogspot.com/2[....]95-vs-i-mobile-902-part-2.html
(n95 vs i-mobile 902)
http://rapidshare.com/files/46551056/MOVE0012.avi.html
(video sample here)
http://www.jankaderabek.cz/?page_id=78
http://www.siamphone.com/review/2006/imobile/902/page.htm
http://www.mobilmania.cz/Test[....]20-sr-1-a-1115936/default.aspx
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1403295
http://www.whatphone.net/mobile/phone/review.php?mid=470
http://www.321mobile.com/2006-11-23-review-i-mobile-902.htm
More samples taken by i-mobile 902 for you guys:
(Please note, these photos are taken mostly by hardwarezone user Digdub,and other users on that forum)
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CCD sensors are on its way to  handsets. they once put it in S700 remember. lets just wait for the right time.
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AbuBasim
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I doubt it. As @tai020381 pointed out, even though he was still talking about CMOS sensors, Sony Ericsson will most likely not release any CCD-based camera phones. If they were to release a Cyber-shot camera phone using the same 5MP CCD module Sony delivered to i-mobile (902) or maybe even a newer generation of this module, there would be significant risk of these camera phones hurting Sony's lower-end digicam sales.
I mean, look at the samples @SaliH posted! Would you still be interested in a point-and-shoot camera if your phone could take pictures like these?
Case in point: consider the following two 640x480 crops of 3MP photos shown at 100 percent scale from two CCD-based cameras; one digicam and one camera phone. Can you tell which one came from a camera and which one from a camera phone?
Photo 1:
Photo 2:
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the thing is that my k810i takes similar daylights pics then i-mobile 902, (its actaully true), BUT I-MOBILE 902 takes awesome night-pics/lowlight-pics (no doubt about that).
i "know" that i-mobile dosent take much better pics like this, (k810i is a awesome daylight-pics-phone). but the Night-pics, wooaaah, is awesome from i-mobile 902.
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On 2007-08-31 07:49:43, AbuBasim wrote:
I doubt it. As @tai020381 pointed out, even though he was still talking about CMOS sensors, Sony Ericsson will most likely not release any CCD-based camera phones. If they were to release a Cyber-shot camera phone using the same 5MP CCD module Sony delivered to i-mobile (902) or maybe even a newer generation of this module, there would be significant risk of these camera phones hurting Sony's lower-end digicam sales.
I mean, look at the samples @SaliH posted! Would you still be interested in a point-and-shoot camera if your phone could take pictures like these?
Case in point: consider the following two 640x480 crops of 3MP photos shown at 100 percent scale from two CCD-based cameras; one digicam and one camera phone. Can you tell which one came from a camera and which one from a camera phone?
Photo 1:
Photo 2:
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goldenface
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Those imobile pics are amazing quality.
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SaLiH
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Guys, my i-mobile 902, finally came yesterday, and everything is ok, I got two batteries, sony headphones with remote, TV cable, 1 GB microSD card, 3.5 mm adapter, custom headphones that look a lot like HPM-70 & USB cable with it. But strange thing happened, when I turned my 902 on, I felt so nostalgic over K750i. I mean I really miss my K750i now, that I think I'm gonna buy another one once again, or mybee K800i. I miss those little things in SE menu. Strange feeling, when I sold my K750i to my friend's sister last night, I was so sad.
This probably means, that everything is not in the camera. SE please make a CCD phone, it doesn't matter how many MP, at least 2 MP!!!!
p.s. I'm gonna write my review of 902 soon!
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-08-31 10:17:17, plankgatan wrote:
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i "know" that i-mobile dosent take much better pics like this, (k810i is a awesome daylight-pics-phone). . . .
The K810i photos look good when viewed at a small scale on a monitor. But what is the largest size you tried printing the photos at?
On 2007-08-31 20:56:35, SaLiH wrote:
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This probably means, that everything is not in the camera. SE please make a CCD phone, it doesn't matter how many MP, at least 2 MP!!!!
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To each his own, but I agree with you. You really need to want a very good camera to accept the i-mobile 902. The rest of the phone is like a slow low-budget copy of the K750i. For me, the camera is the most important thing in a camera phone and the rest is secondary.
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To each his own, but I agree with you. You really need to want a very good camera to accept the i-mobile 902. The rest of the phone is like a slow low-budget copy of the K750i. For me, the camera is the most important thing in a camera phone and the rest is secondary.
For me the camera and MP3 player are the most important things in the phone,because since K750i appeared I love 3 in 1 devices!
abu, can you give me some tpis, do you put saturation to low, do you use daylight and so on... when you tajing your photos? Thanks in advance!
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AbuBasim
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Yes, I use the white-balance presets most of the time.
Daylight shots tend to be a bit overexposed so I reduce eV to -0.3. This I even do sometimes for night shots.
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These settings I always leave fixed:
Image Quality: High
Sharpness: Normal
Saturation: Normal
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ISO 200 is good for shots with more "action" but will also give more noise. This can also be used for night shots!
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