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fatreg
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On 2007-09-25 23:42:46, darrengf wrote:
so is it better to fail the credit check then?
Well... it's saves you £35 a month for 18 months for a start...
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darrengf
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On 2007-09-25 23:51:44, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-09-25 23:42:46, darrengf wrote:
so is it better to fail the credit check then?
Well... it's saves you £35 a month for 18 months for a start...
Oh yes. a big big saving indeed |
ViLLaN
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You wouldnt get the mins or texts which isnt much of a hardship, but you also wouldnt get the free wi-fi or unlimited data plan. |
Miss UK
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02 "Like a Moth to a flame" 
Voda do have lots of Samsung priority phones themselves U700 and that McClaren phone so it's the 1st one in I supose.
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
No need to fail anything as announced you can BUY your iPhone from 02, CPW or an Apple store all at the same price of £269.99. Then either go to an 02 shop and buy a PAYG iPhone Sim card for £15 or £9.99 direct it from 02 by phone. No need to fail a credit check just put in your iPhone PAYG Sim and activate it via iTunes. the very fact you can buy an iPhone for the same price even if you are only going to use a PAYG Sim proves the phone sale is not tied to a contract or subsidized.
Well at last until 02 or Apple have to sell you the unlock code when you can then put any Sim in if you want to.
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mib1800
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On 2007-09-26 00:51:39, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
Well at last until 02 or Apple have to sell you the unlock code when you can then put any Sim in if you want to.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-25 23:53 ]
I can see one problem here. If u dont activate O2 can always say the phone is not theirs and dont sell you the unlock code. If you activate then you would have to agree to the contract. You may be able to put in PAYG sim in to activate but most likely in the agreement, you are asked to agree to an 18month contract on a certain tariff plan. I believe the contract is binding under the law once you agree to it (no matter how unfair it is to buyers).
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mswallis
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I've never heard of pay as you go having a minimum term contract?! |
Miss UK
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I found a email today of 02 about this ugly beast,
http://o2-mail.co.uk/?7L.yN3StclPKyIbq6IZ.tiZr2G7
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Dogmann
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@mib1800
Sorry again but the PAYG is not a contract and either 02 or Apple will have to sell the unlock code. Their is no law that says you have to be a customer of a Network to get an unlock code on an unsubsidized phone as it is not legal to sell an unsubsidised phone that is locked to one Network. That quite simply is where the law comes into effect you can not be forced to use a particular Network on a bought paid for and owned device, it is yours to use on which ever Network you choose it is illegal to have it locked to one Network or if it is to refuse to sell you an unlock code.
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Daedalus85
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Ummm, it is subsidised, just not by much realistically.
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Dogmann
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@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
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fatreg
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On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
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mib1800
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On 2007-09-26 15:08:18, Dogmann wrote:
@mib1800
Sorry again but the PAYG is not a contract and either 02 or Apple will have to sell the unlock code. Their is no law that says you have to be a customer of a Network to get an unlock code on an unsubsidized phone as it is not legal to sell an unsubsidised phone that is locked to one Network. That quite simply is where the law comes into effect you can not be forced to use a particular Network on a bought paid for and owned device, it is yours to use on which ever Network you choose it is illegal to have it locked to one Network or if it is to refuse to sell you an unlock code.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-26 14:11 ]
I would think O2 or Apple would have thought of this legal implication. There must be deterence. Can it be that even with an unlock code, the iphone is not usable until you activate it. Or maybe you cannot unlock it with the code UNTIL after you activated it. There is no precedence here as no other phone needs to be activated like iphone. So it is a grey area. Does the law equate activation process with network lock?
So what happen during activation? I am sure there will be a contract somewhere within this process. So will the activation process succeed without you taking up a contract? And you may need to activate with a specific sim card like those in the US.
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On 2007-09-28 14:50:22, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
No, because I chose to say that, not them, my opinions are my own and not that of O2.
I'm GUESSING it's been subsidised ok? Theres no way something like that would be a measly £269 sim free, even the N95 isn't close to that yet (and before you all jump in, I'm talking HIGH STREET sim free, not expansys or ebay....). If you think about it logically, O2 must be paying something towards it.
Anyway, it's just dawned on me, why the hell are we arguing so much across several threads for something thats ultimately a pointless device, I think i'm going to throw in the towel soon and say "fine, whatever, argue amounst yourselves".
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
Really simple now people activation process or not neither Apple or 02 can force you to have to use a device you own outright on one Network. If Apple are forcing you activate it only using an 02 Sim that is illegal and a restrictive practice. Obviously they want you to use 02 so as they get their kickback commission but what they want and what is legal are two entirely different things.
As i said from the start they have just copied the US sales and activation model which in the US is perfectly legal, but here and in the EU it isn't. Again if they are prepared to sell you a PAYG Sim how can there be a contract or subside if it is still the same purchase price. I'm sure Apple and 02 think by forcing you to use a special Sim card and activation process they are covered, i and quite a few others all hold a different opinion on this currently including OFCOM.
Marc
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