Posted by Ceyload
Hello together,
I have talked with MpTelecom, and they told that they will get the device January or Ferbruary and it IS possible to take the software from the P900 and flash it to the P800. They'll do it, when they get the device.
So there is no need to buy a P900. One thing is very different the Display it has more colors then the P800 , but I can live with 4096 Colors. It is enough
Bye 4 now
Ceyload
Posted by __spc__
This should spark a small debate!
Posted by wrath000
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Haha, I am sure it will.
I will start!
I really don't see how a firmware designed to work with 65000k could possibly work with 4096 colors, since it's a completely different addressing system! (16 bit as opposed to 12bit)
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Posted by mixin
ill go second...
how can they say they will get it jan/feb.. even if it still hasnt been officially announced by
?
Posted by welsh uk
Move over 256mb duo
HERE WE GO AGAIN
Posted by blue8300
lolll yeah.. again a thread without possible answer till it is tested !
But honestly... if different hardwre it will be, then not compatible it will be
me talking yoda
Posted by TooMuch2AM
Colour depth shouldn't be a massive issue.
The Sony Clié implementation of PalmOS had the option of using from 2 to 65k colours on the same device.
But flashing a P800? I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by SonySandy
Does anyone know for fact that the P800 addressing system is 12bit?? I thought it was just an assumption based on the current TFT in the P800. I remember the old Atari Lynx had a 4096 colour screen, but it had a 16bit processor!
Posted by Ceyload
MpTelecom is a Partner of SonyEricsson. They were the first shop in Germany, who got the P800. They said on the phone, that there is no difference bitween the P800 and P900, just the Display, the hardware is the same.
We talked about the BluetoothCar and the new Flashlight. The Bluetooth car is very small, like the half of our P800. And it has not so much power, you can driver for 5 minutes not more. The Flashlight is compatible with P800, you have to turn it on, and then take a photo.
Bye 4 now
Posted by wrath000
Addressing system is not 12 bit. The screen will only accept 12 bit since the screen is 4096 colors. If that's the case, there will be trouble when firmware starts trying to feed 16bit colors into 12bit variables
Posted by P800_Zen_master
I have no idea so dont flame me here but.....
this is really stupid but give me a little break....
big breath in big breath out......
How can it be impossible when.....
windows will work on any motherboard!! I am sure there are some drivers that are built into the motherboard. So like the graphic card with the P800 those drives are not such in the memory but on the chip that handles the graphics understand !??!?!?!?!?
You can plug in any graphic card and DOS will work regardless driver or not installed.
I cant see why it wont work!
If the drivers are not on the chips itself then why not install the different driver. It must be possible!
I dont know I am just hoping it will work cause i want it to work. but we will see if it works or not!.
I guess if it does not all you need to do is reflash it back to old version!
Posted by Ceyload
Yes, P800 ZenMaster.
I think it will be like the T68m and T68i.
I'll wait, and won't buy a P900, it isn't so nice like the P800. I asked many people, and showed the Photos. Everyone said that the P800 is much nicer. The Color, the Design, and the back of this device is GREAT.
Posted by welsh uk
As we have most of the features of the P***
It would make more sense to just have the applications that the p800 dosent have flashed from the P*** firmware
No need to worry about screen colours or other conflicting issues
Posted by blue8300
That's for sure a Gray P800 is much nicer then this ugly old fashionned-sony style P900/810 ....
Posted by P800_Zen_master
I think also! The P800 is much more modern looking P800. It has smooth lines like a diablo. Where the new P900 looks like lamo before. Boxy looking!
Posted by wrath000
Because when you install a 4096 (12bit) screen, you don't install a 16 bit chip to service it. Since it's more expensive and completely useless. If the firmware is not made to run in 12bit mode (why should it, if it's made for 65k screen of p810/900), there will obviously be a problem there.
It's very much possible that
will release own firmware upgrade for P800 that will give it similar functionality, like T68 & T68i, which as I have understood is not a completely similar hardware!?
Posted by moamoa
I would expect software to run on either screen and display fine, in much the same way an program written for a color Nokia 7210 will run unchanged on a black and white 3310. Obvously and 16 bit colors will only display in the "closest" 12 bit color, but I would expect it to work.
However, I would doubt that any shop would legally be able copy the flash memory from the P900 to the P800, since SE would only have licenced UIQ 2.1 for the P900. Even though possible, I am suprised that the shop said they would do it???
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
Wrath000 whats going on about the 4096 screen? i dont think this is valid,how many TFT screens you know that they produse only 4096 colours? always TFTs produse the 65k its the internal chip only not the screen.I dont find a reason why sony make a 4096 screen when all the TFTs standard is 65k the cost is the same and even bigger if you try to make a differend screen from the standard.The cheaper is always the standard.All of you be more careful what you saying here or vermania gets u
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Posted by moamoa
It would also be possible for SE to add code to the firmware to detect which hardware 800/900 is was running on, and prevent it running on the P800... even if it was physical capable.
It's a nice thought though none the less
Posted by ainamrev
Going back to they guy who said the Atari Lynx had a 4096 display but with a 16 bit chip.
I'm pretty sure the 16 bit refered to the processor for the lynx not the VDU processor.
Posted by tekno_geek911
I doubt the screen will be a problem,if the hardware is the same and the only differance is the display.....Which is the same size,maybe we'll be able to buy a replacement P810/900 screen and put it in the P800!
Posted by ainamrev
i dont think its quite that simple mate. Besides a scrren costs 150 quid any way.
Posted by malcs
its not the screen thats the problem -- (see for more details) it is in fact the controller, that is on the main PCB of the phone, and will in fact not support the 16,000 colour screen. over on another forum this is related to a question asked by n00bs all the time e.g. "will i be able to use this screen off this laptop i have to put in a photo frame etc?" well the answer we give to that is...
The screen itself is extremely cheap-- you can buy yourself a 12" screen for about £20. The problem lies with the controller card for the screen which is itslef extremeley expensive and, thusly, the screen cannot work without its own unique controller card which is often incorproated into the PCB of the device in question (e.g. the p800)
glossary
PCB = Printed Circuit Board (the silicon board inside your phone)
Posted by tekno_geek911
Ah now I get you....It was just a thought,a P800 with a 65k screen would look 10x's better than the P810/900!
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
loll again i hear about the screen the screen is the same the gf chip is other as the man said the gf is in the board so no 65k for p800 i hope you get it this time.there is not such think as a 4096 screen only the inside GF chips are capable of more or less colour.
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Posted by ainamrev
Nice one malcs didnt have the patience to say all that. Arif you da man!
Posted by tekno_geek911
I get it! now I know its not possible....I was just saying it would look better! lol lol lol
Posted by Arfi-Gorgona
loll i thank you kind sir
btw i say the same in the first page but they dont seem to listen loll
Posted by prodjsxb
I dunno about you guys but when I look at pics and images on a 65k screen and a 4k screen there isnt that much of a difference at all, I think a debate over how much nicer the screen will look when it is the same size and the same resolution is pointless, we have compared the p800 to other pda and pda/phones with 65k screens and what was the result??? not a heck of alot of difference right? Oh well...
Posted by GoH
just one thing. the title shocked me.
P900 firmware flash to P800
now why would anyone want to flash their P900 firmware to a P800's?
Posted by planB
Even thoug I don't think there would be a big problem with the colors (I think it would work, but just display 4K colors...), I think this would should end the discussion...
Quote from my-symbian.com's review, under part 2 Hardware: "ROM memory (disk Z: containing the operating system and the UIQ software) has been expanded from 16 MB to 32 MB (about 25 MB of it is used by the current firmware)."
That should settle it, shouldn't it?
Well - my P8's insured anyway, so I think I see, in my crystal ball (no, I don't have the Gypsy Destiny app installed
), an "accident" in near future...
Anybody else with insured phones need their fortune told?
Posted by ajack
Guys,
Tell you what I know from the prototype I was playing...
P900 has 32MB ROM space while the P800 has a 16MB ROM space...
The P900 uses about 23MB of that ROM space already. Go figure...
Threads like this causes people to have false hopes and that is unhealthy.
Posted by Universal Exports
Am I the only one that thinks that the P900 looks better than the P800? I think it looks cool.
Posted by 2unique
one reviewer said that it doesn't look as cool in the flesh, in fact it looks really plasticcy. Like something a trashy business man would throw on the table trying to impress, was more or less the quote
Posted by mrj82
Here is a thought you should take into consideration why it won't work. Look at how much screen is exposed with the flip closed on both phones. The same firmware isn't going to work, maybe an altered (by
) version would.
Posted by jago25_98
I'll be interested to see what happens if you just try it!
Why not?
Posted by gbrooks3
you have got to be joking!
Posted by Zane
Any news about this?
Posted by gbrooks3
no this is not possible.
Posted by argural
may be a tracker skin ( which seems like p900 ) for p800 solve this problem???