Posted by Toney_Ericsson
On 2011-01-17 03:06:06, HYPER-X10 wrote:
On 2011-01-16 15:49:33, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
I'll stick with HTC and already have everything you haven't got
Problem is that HTC don't have everything I want. I much prefer physical buttons over capacitive, including the camera button. I also prefer a 480 x 854 screen over 480 x 800 (I like the idea of 16:9 on the phone). There ARE good reasons to go for a DHD, mainly the MSM8255.
For me, the Arc has all the things I like in the X10, + all the things I like in the DHD, + a few extras.
I'm not overly concerned about when updates are released.
at least can't get any worse in that regard.
Having
's customisation essentially amount to skinning + some widgets is a good thing.
The Arc screen is nomore 16:9 than the iphone. You've obviously never watched a video or played a game like Angry birds on the DHD to appreciate the 'real estate'. Really can't see where these extras are. The Arc has less RAM than phones out last year including the DHD which has more and 1.5GB internal. Build quality is plastic on the Arc as oppose to solid Aluminium on the DHD. As for SE's skining that's just pants nothing is as good as HTC Sense.
I won't even bother go into battery life as all smart phones consume a lot if not configured right i.e if data, bt, syncing etc is always happening but its strange the Arc battery is showing as under performing with talk time and standby compared to other phones with smaller batteries
Posted by Miss UK
On 2011-01-15 11:18:50, masseur wrote:
I'm wanting a new android phone and this one may well be the one that finally brings me back to
after some years of dissapointment (X1 was my last so its been that long!).
you got bored of your Wildfire masseur?
Posted by HYPER-X10
On 2011-01-17 18:21:36, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
The Arc screen is nomore 16:9 than the iphone. You've obviously never watched a video or played a game like Angry birds on the DHD to appreciate the 'real estate'. Really can't see where these extras are. The Arc has less RAM than phones out last year including the DHD which has more and 1.5GB internal. Build quality is plastic on the Arc as oppose to solid Aluminium on the DHD. As for SE's skining that's just pants nothing is as good as HTC Sense.
I won't even bother go into battery life as all smart phones consume a lot if not configured right i.e if data, bt, syncing etc is always happening but its strange the Arc battery is showing as under performing with talk time and standby compared to other phones with smaller batteries
Do you even know what 16:9 means?
854x480 is 16.01:9. 960x640 is 13.5:9. I'm pretty sure that makes the Arc "more 16:9"
HDMI out is what I call an extra. So is beautiful design, DLNA and thin body.
"You've obviously never ..blah blah blah". I said there are good things about the DHD. I like the bigger screen. DHD is 4.3" Arc is 4.2". The thing is that the Arc has an extra 25920 pixels in there.
Battery? X10 beats DHD on battery and so will Arc. Wonder why there's a 650+ post thread about the DHD's battery on XDA?
Looking at your comments I can see that you've stepped beyond useful input and are just showing yourself to be a rampant HTC fanboy.
Luckily for me, I'm not loyal to ANY phone manufacturer. If HTC (or anyone) brings out something that suits me better than the Arc, I'll get it. I'll be making the decision on my preference and the input from level headed individuals though. Not butt hurt fanboys like you.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
+1 HYPER-X10
couldn't agree more.
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
On 2011-01-18 00:34:16, HYPER-X10 wrote:
On 2011-01-17 18:21:36, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
The Arc screen is nomore 16:9 than the iphone. You've obviously never watched a video or played a game like Angry birds on the DHD to appreciate the 'real estate'. Really can't see where these extras are. The Arc has less RAM than phones out last year including the DHD which has more and 1.5GB internal. Build quality is plastic on the Arc as oppose to solid Aluminium on the DHD. As for SE's skining that's just pants nothing is as good as HTC Sense.
I won't even bother go into battery life as all smart phones consume a lot if not configured right i.e if data, bt, syncing etc is always happening but its strange the Arc battery is showing as under performing with talk time and standby compared to other phones with smaller batteries
Do you even know what 16:9 means?
854x480 is 16.01:9. 960x640 is 13.5:9. I'm pretty sure that makes the Arc "more 16:9"
HDMI out is what I call an extra. So is beautiful design, DLNA and thin body.
"You've obviously never ..blah blah blah". I said there are good things about the DHD. I like the bigger screen. DHD is 4.3" Arc is 4.2". The thing is that the Arc has an extra 25920 pixels in there.
Battery? X10 beats DHD on battery and so will Arc. Wonder why there's a 650+ post thread about the DHD's battery on XDA?
Looking at your comments I can see that you've stepped beyond useful input and are just showing yourself to be a rampant HTC fanboy.
Luckily for me, I'm not loyal to ANY phone manufacturer. If HTC (or anyone) brings out something that suits me better than the Arc, I'll get it. I'll be making the decision on my preference and the input from level headed individuals though. Not butt hurt fanboys like you.
What??? I'm getting more battery out of my Desire HD than with my X10.
Go and read that xda thread fully and get your facts right first before talking even more shit.
People are getting 59 hours out of a single charge on the DHD, go have a look this is through switching things off such as wifi, bluetooth, gps etc, htcsense syncing etc when not needed or are you that daft to suggest otherwise that you should be getting a week out of a battery with everything switched on and updating every 2 seconds?. Anyone could get a week out of a phone if they dont switch it on
Do you think I care if a butt head like you goes and gets an Arc? I don't care at all in fact I'm laughing as I have the frequent updates, full developer support and an absolutely awesome phone but you haven't
I see the Arc is very highly rated on xda
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907686
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-01-18 02:18 ]
Posted by S4k1s
Yo HYPER-X10 I'm really happy for you and ima let you finish but Toney switching of everything on his HTC gets him the best battery time of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Posted by synn
I'm sorry, when exactly did this turn into an HTC thread?
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
On 2011-01-18 04:32:04, S4k1s wrote:
Yo HYPER-X10 I'm really happy for you and ima let you finish but Toney switching of everything on his HTC gets him the best battery time of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Go compare the Arc and DHD battery the DHD wins overall.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3468&idPhone2=3619
The DHD has got automatic power saving at 30% which you can set to what you want and the normal functions of setting screen brightness etc to what values you want. SE hasn't got that, X10 didn't have it and theres no mention of any power saving in the Arc.
For a bigger battery in the Arc I would expect better performance than that.
Then again I'm not the one buying that crap
Posted by MyP910
X10 is a success for SE and I can see Arc will do better. In terms of battery life, I'm sure Arc will be great. X10 has a good battery life (with ALL the function `ON').. and with better optimization in Arc, it will be awesome.
The Arc design alone is ahead of the rest...especially when compared to iphone-wannabe smartphone.
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
The X10 lasts the same as any other Android phone with ALL functions on.
The DHD has better power saving options and automatic but se has none.
Posted by admad
@S4k1s WIN!
Toney, how about chilling. We all know You like Your DHD, it's a good phone, but really, You say some quality bullshit here. DHD has shitty camera, it's a fact. The face recognition stuff i already read twice from You is a function X10 also have, ya really... And guess what, it's useless anyway
Posted by Tsepz_GP
I keep GPS and Sync on, i have BBC News, Facebook and Twitter refreshing every 2hours and WhatsApp running all day and still get just over a full day with my X10, so i'm sure the Arc will be even better, i see no point in turning them off as this is what Android is about, why should you have to always have to turn things on and off just to get decent batt life? It ruins the experience, i'm not always looking at my phone, but when i do its good to have the info/news waiting there instead having to go turn Sync on for example. My weather widget uses GPS and its very handy for when i'm out, Twitter also uses my GPS.
The Arc should be even better, reading through many reviews the X10 still seems to be the best Android in Camera and Battery Life in Android, until the Arc comes. I was very close to getting a DesireHD from Dubai in December, unfortunetly most places didnt have it in stock, that seems to have been a blessing in disguise after reading through XDA and seeing just how much you have to do to get decent batt life.
Toney
Im glad you've found a device that suits you, but why do you have to go around the forum repeating the same thing? It's almost as if you are unsure if you have made the right decision and so you are trying to convince yourself, is that realy the case here? The DesireHD is an awesome machine, we know that, but it's not going to suit all of us, having the latest updates and specs to boast in forums seems to be your main priority when choosing a phone, if having those makes you so happy then we're happy for you, but to be honest not all of us give a damn.
Posted by goldenface
Thanks Tsepz_GP. Common sense words at last.
Posted by HYPER-X10
+1 to you too Tsepz_GP
Any way, Have you guys seen the preview on Phonearena?
http://www.phonearena.com/rev[....]sson-Xperia-arc-Preview_id2638
Pretty good preview, with some nice pics. They seem to like it a lot.
I especially liked this bit:
"We had the “Midnight Blue” version, which is so dark that it seems almost black, if it wasn't for the nice gradients on the back cover. There is also a “Misty Silver” version, which looks even more stunning. The whole design is made of quality plastic, which some sniff at, but with a 4.2” screen we'd rather keep the weight under control than ask for metallic elements, which will make the phone bulkier and more unwieldy to handle (cough, HTC Desire HD, cough)."
Posted by tyko
More photos from arc http://picasaweb.google.com/PerAngelholm/Snodumpning2011#
Rather boring scenes but the photos looks quite good, except the red tint which cant be that much of a problem to get rid of.
Posted by Bonovox
That is very true where is the fun in turning everything off and your screen down to minimum brightness. It makes it all pointless then. One thing i do not see the point of is weather widgets. You just gotta look out the window to know the weather and they are not very accurate. Even updateted once my weather widget showed sunshine at 10pm
and that was refreshed.
Posted by goldenface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]ff_-0g&feature=player_embedded
Posted by Dups!
I LOVE THIS PHONE! I really love this phone!
Three years later SE lures me back. I'm definitely getting this without a shadow of doubt. Then I expect SE to give me my P1 successor later this year.
This phone is so perfect for me.
I love it!!!
Posted by Tsepz_GP
the Time/weather widget i use is quite accurate, i live in Johannesburg and during summer (right now) we get a lot of rain, some days start off without a cloud in the sky and by 3pm there is a huge thunderstorm, other days begin with rain, overcast and cool, then by the afternoon its sunny and realy humid so the weather widget comes in handy.
Posted by vegetaleb
I really want to return to SE world and this Arc is very attractive but:
-SE need to make it rootable
-When rooted XDA devs will produce custom roms
-Be ready for OS updates
So in other words the complete opposite in terms of software to x10, or I will stick to HTC
Posted by apolloa
I haven't been on here for ages but I've kept my eye on the gadget world. And I have to say the Xperia Arc is making me come back!
My current iPhone 4 pales in comparison with the camera to the Arc, it's amazing and fast and I am yet to play with Android so this will be fun. But will it be too big? What do people think of a 4.2" screen size? Is it a trouser pocket buster!?!? The Arc was by far the best looking phone at CES and is more then fast enough to make you think why get a dual core model? It's a phone not a laptop.
Stunning design though, it REALLY makes all the other handsets at CES look plain and boring, well done SE your back onto a winner. And you can upgrade the memory!!! May sound small but having my iPhone trust me it's damn annoying not being able to increase your storage.
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2011-01-18 13:54 ]
Posted by goldenface
The Xperia arc should feel like nothing in the pocket, it's really slim.
Posted by domipost
On 2011-01-18 12:59:06, goldenface wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]ff_-0g&feature=player_embedded
I don't care about the cam interface, but the video looks very good for one that's shot with a phone, so that's great
I used the phone for about half an hour too now (video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBii7mVlDE ). It indeed feels like nothing in your pocket, so that's fine. I was a bit sad about the build though. It's cracking a bit (might be the proto....) and the plastic is really glossy and prone to fingerprints. On the other hand, the interface runs very smooth and the phone feels great in use. It's to thin for my taste to feel nice in the hand, but that's just me I guess. Had the same with for instance the Optimus Black and the iPhone 4 (though arc is the best of them in that aspect).
I had an Optimus 2X at the same time, and though first I thought the dual core is bullshit and only good for heavy games, it really does make a difference. The 2X feels a lot snappier than any phone i've ever seen. (and that's an archievement for an LG
)
Posted by goldenface
The contour of the phone might make it hard to detect in your back pocket so people will have to be careful before they sit down or the phone could fare very badly indeed.
Posted by rikken
I believe this one will replace my x10 come spring
The camera ui seems almost perfect for my needs and I am sure picture quality will be more than decent
Posted by Bonovox
The camera interface is sooooo much better than the old x10. Stupid flash having to delve into the menu was crap
I think the silver one would better for hiding finger prints but I too do not like phones too light or thin I sometimes had to check my inside jacket pocket when I had a Samsung Galaxy S it was too thin & light for my BIG hands That is why i am looking forward to my X10 White No finger prints 
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-01-18 17:09 ]
Posted by apolloa
Thanks for the confirmation on it not being too big. I know I will have to suffer in the overall size next to my iPhone but you get a bigger screen. I think the next iPhone will be 4" plus anyway. And I still don't see the point in dual GPU and CPU cores, looking at the games the iPhone has now and the Arc has a better GPU then that! Anyway I guess I would have to play with one to know for sure.
But it will be nice to be able to change memory, change the battery, have a decent camera with adjustable settings and a configurable OS on a phone again..... Plus the games are getting better on Android, Black Pegasus will be out soon.
Posted by Ricke77
The camera is really fast and thats great. I love the HDMI socket that let's you show the screen in HD on a TV-set. Gingerbread seems to do its work to. The best thing thou is the screen. Me with my Satio think its outstanding.
And it's got the look of a real sporty Mazerati if you ask me.
One question: Who puts a smartphone with a 4,2" screen in the back pocket?? Honestly?? I for shure don't...
Posted by Bonovox
Wow in that video have you noticed how fast the shutter speed is
He took all them photos at speed
Posted by smclion102
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc to feature next-gen multi-touch?
Sony Ericsson might have performed something of a 180-degree turn with the forthcoming Xperia Arc – going from no multi-touch on the X10 to 32-point multi-touch on the new device.
The possibility of such capabilities comes from the fact the Xperia Arc is apparently fitted with a Cypress TrueTouch-digitizer – you know the one. You don't?
It basically means the phone can handle up to 32 points of contact (theoretically) at once – none of this two finger nonsense, you can get your toes out and a mate's hands and still have touch points left.
Techradar LINK
Posted by apolloa
Does anyone know if the Arc will have a micro sim card slot like my iPhone 4? Or will it follow the normal size industry standard?
Posted by Bonovox
What would be the point in that I doubt it
Posted by apolloa
On 2011-01-18 21:32:00, Bonovox wrote:
What would be the point in that I doubt it
I would like to know because I could just swap the sim card into each phone. But looks like I would just have to get another PAYG sim. News is that Apple want to ditch the SIM card all together using some sort of on board sim that is updated instead. Apple like to change things to how everyone else does it..
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2011-01-18 20:45 ]
Posted by Bonovox
I don't even understand the point of a micro sim anyway
Posted by apolloa
On 2011-01-18 21:48:14, Bonovox wrote:
I don't even understand the point of a micro sim anyway
Space, it shaves the plastic trim around the chip so the whole thing is smaller.
Posted by domipost
It doesn't have microsim. I do see the point of microsim, but the thing is that it's really stupid if only one manufacturer has it. I changed my sim to a microsim though I usually use non apple devices, and i hate the hassle with the converter and stuff. It was a stupid decision to have that plastic around the chip in the first place.
Posted by Bonovox
On 2011-01-18 22:45:15, apolloa wrote:
On 2011-01-18 21:48:14, Bonovox wrote:
I don't even understand the point of a micro sim anyway
Space, it shaves the plastic trim around the chip so the whole thing is smaller.
Hardly much point very fiddly & also the space saving is very minimal
Posted by djin
it would be a point on larger scale, imagine all that parts not used for the millions of sims.. tht would be lots of savings.. But then its easier to loose micro sim.
Posted by Miss UK
Vodafone posted this review up on Facebook
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/201[....]ltimate-android-phone-upgrade/
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2011-01-18 20:41:11, smclion102 wrote:
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc to feature next-gen multi-touch?
Sony Ericsson might have performed something of a 180-degree turn with the forthcoming Xperia Arc – going from no multi-touch on the X10 to 32-point multi-touch on the new device.
The possibility of such capabilities comes from the fact the Xperia Arc is apparently fitted with a Cypress TrueTouch-digitizer – you know the one. You don't?
It basically means the phone can handle up to 32 points of contact (theoretically) at once – none of this two finger nonsense, you can get your toes out and a mate's hands and still have touch points left.
Techradar LINK
that's just dirrrty!
Posted by Bonovox
I would not let anyone put their grubby hands on my phone let alone their toes
Posted by argiriano
Well, it looks like I was right to think this little thing above the HDMI port is notification LED.
Posted by dibdin
Should we be worried who are thinking seriously of buying the Arc about this video??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrAcopyZquc
[ This Message was edited by: dibdin on 2011-01-19 12:55 ]
Posted by c96sthl
On 2011-01-18 22:53:31, Bonovox wrote:
On 2011-01-18 22:45:15, apolloa wrote:
On 2011-01-18 21:48:14, Bonovox wrote:
I don't even understand the point of a micro sim anyway
Space, it shaves the plastic trim around the chip so the whole thing is smaller.
Hardly much point very fiddly & also the space saving is very minimal
you won't see the point unless you are a electronic designer and mechanical designer for a mobile devices. NOwadays with the competition so intense to get so many thing into a product. Every space they can find will be used since PCB can now be connected using Flexible circuit which allow them to stack over each other etc etc. That space can allow some resistor or some small chip to go in. They are looking for all the space they can to squeeze in the chip so it can be used for....bigger screen...bigger battery size (more capacity).... bigger CMOS sensor for camera. Maybe if you look into one sim card space save isn't more but for a designer there look into every space that can trim as the end result can be significant.
if you open up an old mobile phone, you will notice the plastic casing is likely 1.2mm but now...using metal and other new plastic material....you see handphone casing is mostly having 1mm or even less thickness. That's a big saving in term of volume.
Posted by HYPER-X10
On 2011-01-19 13:53:23, dibdin wrote:
Should we be worried who are thinking seriously of buying the Arc about this video??
Not at all. That gives no indication of what you would experience in a real world situation.
Posted by justus333
What´s the problem with this vid? I think people are getting a little too hysterical about what screen is a tad brighter or clearer, what mobile is a nano sec faster etc....
Im still on a 3gs and although it´s not Retina the display is more than sufficient...
I understood this discussion years back when we were talking about the difference of a black and white and a colour display, but this now is a bit ridiculous IMO!
But another thing, after watching the vid Im not so sure about the design anymore. I think the X10 looks even classier or is that just from the angle the vid was recorded from?
Posted by Bonovox
http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.u[....]-big-on-new-handset-portfolio/
A 32 gig card comes with the handset
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-01-19 15:12 ]
Posted by Xajel
^^^
The same source tells that an HDMI cable will be included too...
but I think these two items will depend on the dealer... and some may charge a lot for these too...
Posted by mediar
Some reviews:
( HD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTDYIowI7g
( HD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFBii7mVlDE
( HD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpnpR27fcoc
( HD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzbQ5LiVNxQ
The build-in music/video player are too simple. Especially the video player looks very ugly. Can't we install mediascape on our own? Isn't there an apk? They haven't skinned the search widget too.
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2011-01-19 20:06 ]
Posted by goldenface
Well it looks like the phone will be with us late Q1, and not June as advertised by CPW