Sony Ericsson X10 Official Thread

Posted by TJMonkey15
I really hope they keep that rubberized material on the battery cover of the black version. Ever since I had the k790, I've grown quite fond of that stuff. It gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling inside. Oh, and it makes it easier to get a good grip on the phone.

Posted by carkitter
Cool comics!

Multi touch is overrated for zooming on the iPhone. Since I discovered 'double-tap to zoom' I haven't looked back.
Just what are you guys zooming in on in images anyway...?

Posted by bider
Here's some more

Enjoy!!!

http://pics.livejournal.com/dmitry_lazarev/pic/0003hfyf
http://pics.livejournal.com/dmitry_lazarev/pic/0003zkby
http://pics.livejournal.com/dmitry_lazarev/pic/000400c6
http://pics.livejournal.com/dmitry_lazarev/pic/000418dq
http://pics.livejournal.com/dmitry_lazarev/pic/00044fdw

Edit: Keep in mind that these photos are made without using flash and with very high ISO settings - that's why most of them is grainy and out of focus. The colour reproduction isn't the best also

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-05 10:15 ]

Posted by jjjajjj

On 2009-11-05 10:41:26, bider wrote:
Here's some more

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-05 10:15 ]

is that a multi-focus in the third photo !!

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Posted by bider

On 2009-11-05 11:20:13, jjjajjj wrote:

On 2009-11-05 10:41:26, bider wrote:
Here's some more

is that a multi-focus in the third photo !!

[ This Message was edited by: jjjajjj on 2009-11-05 10:21 ]

I'm not Russian, but I do speak russian a bit. It's written Multiautofocus - I'd assume that it means that the camera is focusing on multiple points when the shutter button is pressed. You get this with every DSLR but unfortunately it doesn't mean the phone has multi-touch

(@jjjajjj: I've just noticed that you have edited your post

)

[ This Message was edited by: bider on 2009-11-05 10:33 ]

Posted by motvikt
* Will it have multi-touch in future updates?

Xperia X10 has a capacitive screen. It does not support multi-touch functionality at launch, but is considered for the future.

* What�s a scratch-resistant screen?

Xperia X10 has mineral glass to prevent easy scratching and fingerprint coating.

* Is it based on OpenGL 1.1 or 2.0 for games and other stuff?

Xperia X10 supports Open GL 2.0.

* What is the size of the battery?

It is 1500mAh.

* How many colors does the screen support?

I noticed the confusion in the communction around this topic, but the correct number is 65,536.

* Will the X10 receive Android 2.0 update (for those who bought from the initial batches with Android 1.6) ?

The UX platform used for Xperia X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time.

* What would be the camera like?

We�ll try to post a tutorial video of the camera interface within short, but in short it�s quite similar to what�s seen in our earlier touch screen phones like Satio, X2, and Aino.

* When will this be available in the UK?

X10 will be available in selected markets during Q1 next year. We will get back with more details as to more exact timing and where.

Sumit Malhotra Global marketing manager for Xperia X10.

edit. source http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/

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Posted by whentheleveebreaks
Will definitely be giving the x10 a miss

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 11:38:27, motvikt wrote:

* How many colors does the screen support?

I noticed the confusion in the communction around this topic, but the correct number is 65,536.

edit. source http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/

[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2009-11-05 10:40 ]

That's EXCACTLY what i am saying about the colors !! I was sure there was sth wrong... and 256k seem a lot seeing all photos and videos of X10....!The screens resolution seems fine (very good actually) but there was sth wrong about the colors !

So get it now ??

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 10:58 ]

Posted by moogoo
strange how even SE execs and developers have different information!

according to http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50008 it has 262K colors, but the marketing manager says 65K?

Some clarification is definitely needed.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 12:03:41, moogoo wrote:
strange how even SE execs and developers have different information!

according to http://developer.sonyericsson.com/community/thread/50008 it has 262K colors, but the marketing manager says 65K?

Some clarification is definitely needed.

What is going on inside SE?? 3 different types of TFT?? Still tesing them or what ?
I don't know how many colors and what kind of tft they will use... but the one used in these protos is deffinetly NOT 256k colors... (no vivid colors.. it is obvious.. Stop blaming me, the light,the photographer,the reflection, your pc screen ...

)

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 11:08 ]

Posted by shepy

On 2009-11-05 11:38:27, motvikt wrote:
* Will it have multi-touch in future updates?

Xperia X10 has a capacitive screen. It does not support multi-touch functionality at launch, but is considered for the future.

* Will the X10 receive Android 2.0 update (for those who bought from the initial batches with Android 1.6) ?

The UX platform used for Xperia X10 will evolve to Android 2.0 over time.

Sumit Malhotra Global marketing manager for Xperia X10.

edit. source http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/

[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2009-11-05 10:40 ]

So its confirms that it will have Multitouch in the future!

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-11-05 13:30:06, shepy wrote:

So its confirms that it will have Multitouch in the future!

Er no, it doesn't. "Considered for the future" is marketing speak, it most certainly is not the same as "confirmed" - in fact it really doesn't mean anything at all.

The only *confirmed* info in the above is that the X10 will *not* support multi-touch at launch.

Posted by Dups!
...and note how he doesn't answer directly whether the X10 will get Android 2.0 upgrade, instead he says the UX platform will eventually evolve to Android 2.0. He is talking about the platform instead of saying the will get the update.That may be on their next phone(s) and not this one. He didn't say anything about this phone getting that sought after upgrade!

[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2009-11-05 14:00 ]

Posted by PaBlOcS
65,536 colors? : (

Posted by sealover94
65000 4.0 TFT no multitouch (at this moment)

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 14:45 ]

Posted by koto

On 2009-11-05 14:53:11, Dups! wrote:
...tead he says the UX platform will eventually evolve to Android 2.0. He is talking about the platform instead of saying the will get the update.That may be on their next phone(s) and not this one.

[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2009-11-05 14:00 ]

Exactly. Knowing SE X10 will not get Android 2.0.

Posted by my ninja
its capacitive, and the screen controller can detect i think 3 inputs at once, so just cuz its A1.6 i think its not in the API, its not hardware. no compass is also very irksome ... which is to say its very simple to make, why leave it out!?

seal, ive stepped over into your camp as far as this screen is concerned, i dont think its 65K i cant agree with you there, theres absolutely no banding, and the blues (which there are a lot of) do not have steps fading to lighter hues. HOWEVER the backlighting/color temp/contrast are all f**ked, i dont know whos in charge of QC but they need to replace that screen ASAP. its underwhelming to know that satio has 16M while this highend device has a several bit level depth disadvantage.

Posted by Saka
65,536 colors. It's a joke! Capacitive screen but no multitouch, what's the point then? They could have chosen resistive if that's the case, at least then you could use a stylus.
Already old OS platform by launch, 5 months away, no compass. I think I will stick with Satio.

Posted by OffLineR
I love

but come on!

Marketing and developers can't agree what is the color depth. They announce the phone but can't really announce whether it has going to have multitouch and Android 2.0 upgrade in the future. I don't care any of those, because I know this is going to be a great phone but this phone definetely was not ready for an announcement. Without clearing those things, releasing a phone creates a lot of controvertial comments and rumors which in the end do harm to the product and the company. Trying to built up an interest before the release is a good move but not clearing everything does harm as we all saw in this very thread. I'm dissapointed because of that.

I hope HTC won't release a phone which has similar design and power before X10's release.

Posted by mediar

On 2009-11-05 19:00:32, Saka wrote:
Already old OS platform by launch, 5 months away, no compass. I think I will stick with Satio.

What?

Android 1.6 is old OS?

Are you OK? Maybe Satio's S60 5th edition is the newest OS in the world with its 2+ years!

[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2009-11-05 18:09 ]

Posted by my ninja
the phone needed to be announced, or the internet would have run away with itself again, IE the fake brochure, the ONLY thing that shouldnt have been shown was media/timescape (and the poor contrast/depth of the screen) other than that the phone was AMAZING, i mean really good ideas.

compass + screen quality are my concerns now, i hope that they straighten this out before MWC!

multitouch again is capable through the hardware, but NOT android 1.6 its not SE on that one, esp if you can upgrade to 2.0, and then itll be integrated with whatever default apps have the api for MT.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 19:19:48, my ninja wrote:
the phone needed to be announced, or the internet would have run away with itself again, IE the fake brochure, the ONLY thing that shouldnt have been shown was media/timescape (and the poor contrast/depth of the screen) other than that the phone was AMAZING, i mean really good ideas.

compass + screen quality are my concerns now, i hope that they straighten this out before MWC!

multitouch again is capable through the hardware, but NOT android 1.6 its not SE on that one, esp if you can upgrade to 2.0, and then itll be integrated with whatever default apps have the api for MT.

Posted by argiriano
I don`t care what are the number of colors, because when I use a phone, I don`t compare it with other. My X1 has 65k colors, so what? It`s enough for everyday use and for the screen with that size. I don`t watch movies on my phone, because I have TV for that, I use browser often but for me multitouch isn`t important because I read something when I`m not at the PC, and not playing with the zoom... it`s far more important for me the device to work fast, in front of having moultitouch or 16 million colors, witch it can`t show because of it`s size. So I wonder are you guys so disappointed, because you want to by a toy for playing all day long, or by the phone for using it?
I`m in love with X10, and I`ll have it, because I like the phone. It`s a simple as that. If I don`t like it, I`ll find another, and not complaining for this and that.

Posted by Domecot

I agree with You for most of what You've said except for the compass. I don't really need it, but the screen has to be better than 65k ( jesus christ). On the other hand with all of the sony ericsson phones I had only one disappointed me in the screen and that is the w960. Firstly I was disappointed by the touch part and secondly after the colors. I think the 65k will only be in these prototype phones the are now showing off. I think they'll put better screens later and I trust that Eclair will be available for X10.

Posted by defiantbeast
I have been using android on the htc magic/Tmobile my touch 3g running 1.5 and now 1.6 since early july and ive hacked it every which way imaginable. What makes android so powerful is its fully customizable and it multitasks like no other phone. I was once a very loyal Sony Ericsson costumer that got fed up with the progressively uninspiring phones that they were releasing. So i went to htc who in my opinion was releasing better and more appealing phones at the time, i also left after i realized that UIQ was being abandoned my SE. The X10 is the first phone since the w960i/P1i that i would consider drool worthy made by SE. Ladies and gentlemen SE looks to me like it is attempting to make its come back and im applauding them. The X10 has at the moment the most powerful processor of any android phone, it has a 4inch screen( regardless of color, im willing to bet that this is more a limitation of android than something se did), a 3 1/2 headset jack which took htc 3 tries to get right, an 8 meg camera with flash which htc still hasnt gotten right. Now i know some people are peeved that its not shipping with android 2.0 but lets remember that htc googles #1 partner is still working off of android 1.5 on all thier phones with a custom ui and i can tell you that every other android phone maker has provided upgrades when they are available so it would be silly to think that sony ericsson would not be willing to do this as well. What the X10 has to offer is at this point the best spec'ed android phone coming up, and thats before its hacked an played with. The X10 has the horsepower to really show off what android is capable of, now lets hope they release it early and at a reasonable price(600$-800$) so they can keep that momentum going for them. I had given thought to the acer liquid but it looks like me and several of my other friends using android will be turning to sony ericsson. It will be good to be back.

Posted by Saka

On 2009-11-05 19:08:04, mediar wrote:
What?

Android 1.6 is old OS?

Are you OK? Maybe Satio's S60 5th edition is the newest OS in the world with its 2+ years!

Yes, in March next year when X10 is due it will be pretty old.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 19:39:52, argiriano wrote:
I don`t care what are the number of colors, because when I use a phone, I don`t compare it with other. My X1 has 65k colors, so what? It`s enough for everyday use and for the screen with that size. I don`t watch movies on my phone, because I have TV for that, I use browser often but for me multitouch isn`t important because I read something when I`m not at the PC, and not playing with the zoom... it`s far more important for me the device to work fast, in front of having moultitouch or 16 million colors, witch it can`t show because of it`s size. So I wonder are you guys so disappointed, because you want to by a toy for playing all day long, or by the phone for using it?
I`m in love with X10, and I`ll have it, because I like the phone. It`s a simple as that. If I don`t like it, I`ll find another, and not complaining for this and that.

We do like the phone.. and possibly we will buy one ! But this phone will cost over 600 euros... so we have to think-look-discuss everything that has to do with it especially about the things that seem not ok to us.... like the screen! If you don't watch movies/clips ... if you think multitouch is only for browsing intenet... and if you dont use it like a toy too (play games) then may be you don't need the 1ghz cpu as we do... You can get the speed you that you want with a less expensive phone! My first touchscreen phone was p800 6.5 years before .. whats yours ????So please...

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 19:10 ]

Posted by xenia
its really funny. HTC HD2 aka Leo has the same color depth 65k and no one crying about it!

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 20:02:34, xenia wrote:
its really funny. HTC HD2 aka Leo has the same color depth 65k and no one crying about it!

HTC will be available BEFORE CHRISTMAS .. and it is at least multitouch
x10 will be available not sooner than SPRING 2010 ..
and we don't like HTC

Screen (not only the colors) has to be improved.. So lets wait &see&hope

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 19:12 ]

Posted by Saka

On 2009-11-05 19:39:52, argiriano wrote:
I don`t care what are the number of colors...
I don`t watch movies on my phone, because I have TV for that...
I use browser and not playing with the zoom...

Yes, I don't need compass because I keep one in my left pocket, I don't need GPS because I have it in my car, I don't need 3G because I have a PC, I don't need camera because I have a SLR. Hell, I don't need the phone either because there are telephone boots all over the place.

[ This Message was edited by: Saka on 2009-11-05 19:14 ]

Posted by argiriano

On 2009-11-05 19:59:52, sealover94 wrote:
We do like the phone.. and possibly we will buy one ! But this phone will cost over 600 euros... so we have to think-look-discuss everything that has to do with it especially about the things that seem not ok to us.... like the screen! If you don't watch movies/clips ... if you think multitouch is only for browsing intenet... and if you dont use it like a toy too (play games) then may be you don't need the 1ghz cpu as we do... You can get the speed you that you want with a less expensive phone! My first touchscreen phone was p800 6.5 years before .. whats yours ????So please...

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 19:10 ]

OK, but are you thinking if you wrote 100 times that the screen of X10 is bad, with only 65k colors it will going to be with 16mil at lunch? No. Are you thinking SE will integrated multitouch if they don`t plan to do that, just because 100 people around here complain with that? No. So, what`s the point? Really, tell me. It`s just that our expectation raise a lot in months of rumors and then at the announcement almost everybody feel disappointed.
What I do with my phones is my business, and I`m with Ericsson from 1996... My first touchscreen phone was also P800, almost half a year before it came to my country, but that doesn`t mean anything.

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 20:12:20, Saka wrote:

On 2009-11-05 19:39:52, argiriano wrote:
I don`t care what are the number of colors...
I don`t watch movies on my phone, because I have TV for that...
I use browser and not playing with the zoom...

[ This Message was edited by: Saka on 2009-11-05 19:14 ]

lololololololo

Posted by etaab
sealover94 i understand and respect most of your posts but i do feel that you're simply posting nonesense now to hit the 500 posts mark. 485 with only 15 to go.

Anyway looking at those pictures i see no evidence personally of the screen being of poor contrast. All screens look dodgy till you see them in the flesh with the human eye. It could just be the screen just does not look good when photographed but perfectly fine when using it. Or, it could just be everyone being far too anal and over analysing it too much. I cant see SE releasing a phone with mid to high end specs like the X10 with such a poor screen as everyone seems to be worrying about.

Posted by XPHCTOC
Nothing really new in this thread. colors blablabla multitouch blablaba .1.6 not 2.0? blablabla. THIS IS A PROTOTYPE!!! with an alpha version of the UI. We don't know how will be the final product, and how it will evolve after its release. I agree with you OfflineR it was too early to reveal the phone. they should have learn from HTC announcements and leak specs+ pictures one month before the release, not 8months...That's what I call a "souffle": we all have had high expectations and when we saw the product for the first time it doesn't work well (deja vu? same scheme with x1 announcement). SE guys are not even able to give the correct specs. Amateurism?? Even the videos with the product presentation, th UX interface etc have a sound problem. That's definitively not a professional attitude.

Posted by sealover94
Are you blind XPHCTOC ?

On 2009-11-05 12:07:28, sealover94 wrote:
What is going on inside SE?? 3 different types of TFT?? Still tesing them or what ?
I don't know how many colors and what kind of tft they will use... but the one used in these protos is deffinetly NOT 256k colors... (no vivid colors.. it is obvious.. Stop blaming me, the light,the photographer,the reflection, your pc screen ...

)

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 20:19 ]

Posted by ljf881
I really like the fact that an FM-radio is included (well very probably at least). Could anyone confirm the DLNA-support or is that something that depends on Android? Also, how about video streaming over the network?

Posted by my ninja
@xenia htc hd2 has 65k b.c of winmo and the og spec sheet having to do with memory alloc. it was a design choice by windows, which is adhered to today, but the devices themselves can handle it now, they just dont.

so no one complains b.c its winmo 6.x, this will be taken care of in 7 of course.

however, i think that seal has a point, if the defense is that this is a proto/alpha device wouldnt it be prudent to speak up now? i think seal should choose a more productive venue, such as the developers blogs and twitters or what have you, but his point though extreme is still valid. if the price is going to be a premium and we all already know it is, then why not demand the most for you money. the ppl that know about the phone are the ones who are going to buy it outright when it comes out, regardless of carrier subsidy. so it would make sense to provide value. which in his opinion includes a higher bit color. the compass not being present is a huge turnoff for me right now, and multitouch is another point of contention for yet another set, (even having been addressed that it WILL be at some point (only because of android 2 however, which we should be able to load from day one anyway)). all in all the phone seemingly incomplete, the public is voicing some shortfalls that could be cleared up upon launch, the problem is, even if those of us with complaints are heard, would we know, and would they adapt?

those complaining that the screen is fine, go buy a J132, the screen is fine on that phone to. the point is that for a flagship, it seems a bit short handed. a multimedia flagship means that its leading the way in functionality and reproduction. i hope the memory isnt an issue either, some of these photos that bider put up show it at 97%+ i dont know whats running but man ...

Posted by xenia
What the diff? Why is another question I repeat no one don`t cry about it, but here it suddenly a big problem...
I think if SE was clever, they simply can lost this parameter at the official) No datas-no problem
Sorry for my very bad eng

Posted by anders260
The Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 wrap-up post
By Erik Starck | Published: November 5th, 2009

Finally we were able to unveil the beauty of XPERIA X10, our first phone based on the Google Android OS. We�re very happy to join the incredible success of the Android OS. This will be great!

Just to sum things up if you want to know more about developing for the X10:

Here�s the news item full of juicy bits including a few videos.
We now have a dedicated Google Android OS developer forum where you can ask questions and discuss developer issues.
In the recently opened Sony Ericsson Product Blog there�s a summary of some questions and answers.
Keep en eye on our Youtube channel for new videos.
There�s a White Paper about XPERIA X10 with even more information.
As usual you should follow us on Twitter and also check out our Sony Ericsson Developer World Facebook Page.

Oh, one more thing: the screen supports 65536 colors. Seems to be some confusion there.

Erik Starck
Community Manager, Developer World

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 22:13:19, anders260 wrote:
The Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 wrap-up post

Oh, one more thing: the screen supports 65536 colors. Seems to be some confusion there.

Erik Starck
Community Manager, Developer World

"some confusion" ....

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 21:17 ]

Posted by anders260
i'm not a technical person, but let's say it will be launched with only 65536 colors, is it possible to have a good screen anyway? is it something else that have bigger impact on the screen quality that compensate this fact? or is this lack of color ruining the phone completely? how many colors have the iphone?

[ This Message was edited by: anders260 on 2009-11-05 21:21 ]

Posted by sealover94
XPHCTOC this was your pm two days ago

262k h 16M tha einai..
.....it will have either 262k or 16M

Now ... keep lying

After all i was right.l..

Posted by tranced
this is an old post from the no 16M yet? its 2008! thread:

On 2008-02-15 08:19:05, centur wrote:

On 2008-02-11 11:53:35, sesukaku wrote:
shame on SE, up until this date, they have not yet to release any phone with 16M colors. I do understand and i see their screen have been improved a lot since K750, but it is just a shame that they have not yet implement more colors on it. Nokia has been using 16M color screen since last year.

Please donwload: ColorDepths and see colors with your eyes.

I just thought of this thread when some members started complaining about the X10 screen

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 22:27:47, tranced wrote:

I just thought of this thread when some members started complaining about the X10 screen

No that's the difference... look at the sky ....

So for you wondering does it matter if screen is 65k or 262k colors? The answer is YES !

Let me clarify this:
1) 65k colors means 16 bit colors, and this is made using 32 Red colors, 64 Green and 32 Blue (2^5=32, 2^6=64, 5+6+5=16 bits, 32x64x32=65536 colors)
2) 262k (18 bit) colors are made using 2^6 colors in every three channel. (2^6=64, 64x64x64=262144)
So in 16 bit system green has 2^6 different tone as human eye is most sensitive to green color. So with 65k colors you have in fact just as good green as with 262k colors. Only the red and blue is problematic.That's why the blue-ish problem in x10 screen !

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 21:46 ]

Posted by tranced
@sealover94: what's the difference? The images?

Both comparisons are trying to make it clear how the images look like when the screens have those different colours. So don't say there are no difference. The blue sky in your pic works as the orange-ish sunset in the quote I made.

[ This Message was edited by: tranced on 2009-11-05 21:57 ]

Posted by Domecot

On 2009-11-05 22:44:52, tranced wrote:
@sealover94: what's the difference? The images?

tranced I know I am not sealover

but I see some difference on the sky and some parts of the ground.

Posted by tranced
@domecot: I also see the differences in his blue sky. But I also see the difference in the orange sunset

Posted by sealover94

On 2009-11-05 22:33:30, sealover94 wrote:

On 2009-11-05 22:27:47, tranced wrote:

I just thought of this thread when some members started complaining about the X10 screen

No that's the difference... look at the sky ....

Guys.. just ask yourself! 90% of us have mobiles with 256k or even more . who wants to pay 600+ euros and get less colors for his new 2010 phone??i paid 700 euros in 2004 and get p800 to move from 256 > 4096(best available back then!) and p990 in 2007 to have 256k ... and now what ?? go back to 65k in 2010???

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-05 22:21 ]

Posted by Legen
Does anyone otha than me think its an awesome phone? And a ratha gud start for their first android dn't u think? Only problem i got is the release date. There will be phones just as gud out(e.g HTC 8mp android/wm) before then.

[ This Message was edited by: Legen on 2009-11-05 22:24 ]

Posted by etaab
I think its a very good phone.

What i also think is people on this thread seem to think this phone is aimed at being the top dog in the mobile phone world. From the specs alone, clearly SE have no intention of making it so.

EDIT: i think those comparisons make it a little hard for some people to see the difference. So heres my quick demo.

Btw, ive over exaggerated the colour seperations just as a demo. None of these images represent the true colour depth of each image. Its just for a bit of fun:

16 million colours

The above image looks fine

262k colours

The above image shows less true colour detail

65k colours

65k screen shows obvious colour blending

4096 colours

Its like 2002 all over again with 4096 colours !

Hope my *fake* comparison makes it a bit easier !

[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2009-11-05 22:40 ]