Posted by Barachus
O2 can barely provide the advertised speeds for normal data browsing i wonder how they expect to cope with tethering
Posted by masseur
...or when they'll provide 7.2mbit HSDPA
Posted by RyaN
It is just amazing how Apple pick the two most seemingly unequipped networks for US and UK. I'm positive any other network wouldn't bodge-job the iPhone releases/tariffs. AT&T are absolutely years behind other US networks, Apple to a certain extent have to hold back on network related stuff as AT&T just wont be able to support it. How crap is that! NO MMS for AT&T until late summer? Why the feck not? They should be fully prepared and equipped! ie Banning people from using Skype over 3G?! WTF! O2 charging more for a crappy tethering bolt-on than they do for their own mobile broadband!?!?
These company's make so much money, especially reselling a premium handset like the iPhone you would think they could get the network up to speed, tariffs sorted out and not just be thinking about culling £$£$£ of people for nothing
/rantover
Best speed i've ever seen on my iPhone over 3G is 1.5mbps, some way off the 3.6mbps... let alone 7.2mbps on the 3GS.
Posted by julias
Does anyone know what the business tariffs are?
Posted by anonymuser
O2 aren't great on some things and I think they're pricing is well off the mark on the new phones, but I don't understand the upgrade arguments. They're simply doing what they'd with any other phone, and expecting people (quite fairly) to wait out their contracts. If you bought a pay monthly 3G from them then you got it at a hefty discount, and its that subsidy you're paying back now over the term of your 18-24 month contract - if they write that off now they're simply robbing themselves.
So what if Apple have brought out a new model after a year - who's surprised by that? Who honestly bought an iPhone at any point in the last year thinking Apple weren't ever going to improve on it? Which phone manufacturer doesn't update its lineup at least once a year, regardless of whichever ridiculous length of contract the networks are favouring now?
Yes it would be nice if they offered cheap upgrades like they did last time, but let's not lie to ourselves, we all KNOW that they only offered the cheaper upgrade then because owners of the original iPhone had already paid the FULL cost of the device - their phones weren't subsidised at all so they owed the networks nothing. We on the otherhand have had our big saving on the phone up front and now we have to pay for it over the course of the contracts we signed - that's just how it works.
Posted by RyaN
Yeah tbh, I feel the arguments for the upgrades from O2 are a little unwarranted, people do seem to forget that the 2G was not subsidised by O2 and just expect the network to follow suit every year a new device is released.
However, I agree with the arguments of the tariff prices and the tethering costs. Obsurd to say the least. Apple mentioned the iPhone being more affordable. Yeah, that's a proper lol moment.
Posted by >500
you will never reach the claimed speed of a device, in this case with iphone 3gs, 7.2mbps, even if the network supports 7.2mbps.
you will always reach at least a couple mbps less!
with 3 here, with our mobile broadband for example, the 3.6mbps modems, currently max at about 1.5mbps, and the network is currently at 3.6mbps. once it us upgraded to 7.2mbps, the modems speed should jump to about 2.5mbps, where as the 7.2mbps modem 3 stock will dl at about 4.5-5mbps. why? i dont really know
just how it is. at least here.
wonder how the new iphone will go on Telstra's network, all 21mbps of it!
telstra claim that real world performance would offer "typical download speeds ranging up to 8Mbps."
http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1835
id safely say speed shouldnt be an issue! but they change a premium for it!
Posted by Superluminova
Kinda lost with this one, as i think it looks like an in-between product release.
As its not got a lot of new hardware and the design is... well the exact same, i wouldn't be to surprise to see apple announce another iPhone later this year or early 2010.
Anyone know if i'll be able to get it to work on Vodafone UK?
lol
Posted by masseur
apparantly the internals are quite different, especially the processor
The first thing I will be trying is my little thing (can't remember what its called) that slots in with the SIM card and makes the iphone unlocked (but only while its in with the sim).
its worked fine for all V2.x releases so fingers crossed for 3.0 as then I can continue to use it, as needed, on tmob and also Telstra when back home in oz
Posted by Superluminova
Is that a turbo sim your talking about?
Posted by masseur
Yes. I think so
Posted by Superluminova
Cool let us know how you get on will you, as i don't fancy paying £400+ for a phone i can us with my works number.
Anything else that not mentioned on the apple website thats new and interesting about the iPhone (Been away on holiday and kept clear of the inter-webs) so i know nothing of it and I'm to lazy to read 8 pages lol.
Posted by J273
On 2009-06-10 17:09:00, masseur wrote:
Yes. I think so
Do you have a link Masseur to the turbo sim you use?
Ive got a few but none seem to work or even fit in the sim tray
Thanks
Posted by bavlondon2
Looks like PAYG is the way to go.
Posted by masseur
I got it off ebdy last year but I'll tdke a look there when I get home and see if I can find the details
Posted by julias
On 2009-06-10 17:21:06, bavlondon2 wrote:
Looks like PAYG is the way to go.
I second that unless someone can tell me what the business tariffs will be on the 3GS? because they are often much cheaper than standard plans.
Posted by masseur
When I looked earlier the business plans were not published yet, but it did state the choices were 24 or 36 months only
Posted by bavlondon2
Business tarrifs here
http://shop.o2.co.uk/update/business.html
Not sure how much it says extra from what masseur saw earlier. I don't think I will get mine right away now as I have to pay for a holiday to Marbella first. Maybe later in the year.
Posted by RyaN
I think it was a tweet from @Nanu that i saw earlier that said the 2G iPhone was £270 when it came out, 32GB 3GS is £270. How is that a subsidised price?! lol
Posted by bavlondon2
I think he got it wrong. The 2G iphone was unsubsidised and so is this one. The 3G one was subsidised.
Posted by Nanu
On 2009-06-10 17:57:09, RyaN wrote:
I think it was a tweet from @Nanu that i saw earlier that said the 2G iPhone was £270 when it came out, 32GB 3GS is £270. How is that a subsidised price?! lol
@Mechanical_Mind
Wasn't me mate, but neither the 2G nor the upcoming iPhone 3Gs are subsidised O2 admitted, therefore owners of the 2G and future owners of the 3Gs should be provided with unlock codes from O2 upon request, but guess what!......
Posted by RyaN
They've admitted that the 3G S is heavily subsidised though. I'm confused! lol
Yeah, I want my unlock code!
So if 3G 16GB when it came out was £150+ and the 16GB 3GS is £184, and the 3G was supposed to be subsidised?!!?
Posted by julias
On 2009-06-10 17:54:15, bavlondon2 wrote:
Business tarrifs here
http://shop.o2.co.uk/update/business.html
Not sure how much it says extra from what masseur saw earlier. I don't think I will get mine right away now as I have to pay for a holiday to Marbella first. Maybe later in the year.
Thanks but they say the pricing hasn't been published yet.
Posted by Nanu
The iPhone 3G S 32GB works out @ around £538.30 whether on contract or PAYG so it doesn't look very subsidised!
Posted by masseur
on payg its £538.30
cheapest 18 month contract is 18*£29.38 + £274.23 handset price = £803.07
on payg you get 1 year included unlimited 3g data and wifi and you need to pay a monthly min of £10 for 500 minutes
on that cheapest contract you get 75 minutes and 125 texts
so to use the payg with the supplied payg sim will cost a minimum of £538.3 + 12 * 10 = £658.30 whereas its still £803.07 on contract and you still have to pay for texts on payg
looking at 18 months on payg it gets worse as, after 12 months you also have to pay for data
payg looks good for now though as I'll continue to use my current contract sim in the 3G S with the mobile number I've had for more than 10 years, sell the iphone 3G to recoup some of the payg price and I'll have no payout as I'll still continue to use that current sim. I'll probably just ditch the payg sim or ditch my tmob web'n'walk and use the payg sim in my 5800.
btw, don't forget that contract £29.38/month at cheapest rate will revert to £30/month after December when VAT returns to 17.5%
Posted by Nanu
I worked it out as PAYG £538.30
Then 18 month @ £34.26 + handset @ £274.23 = £890 less actual cost of tariff based on simplicity equivalent so cost of handset = £530
My preferred method would be PAYG @ £538.30 my simplicity sim @ £20/month 600mins 1200 texts UL data, (free WiFi as I only use WiFi at home I have 3G for when I am out of the house) so total cost for 12 months, £778.30 then I can sell and get the new iPhone and start again
So really O2 could offer a 12 month contract @ £65/month with a free 32GB 3GS 600mins 500texts UL data & WiFi and still make the same money! and TBH I'd probably go for it!
Posted by julias
And don't forget the optional £120 Insurance on top if your buying it on PAYG? but i suspect many people will be taking out 02's insurance since they will be forking out £538.30 for the phone itself.
Posted by se_love
Wow
http://i.gizmodo.com/5286031/[....]ram-uncovered-600mhz-and-256mb
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-06-10 19:50:12, julias wrote:
And don't forget the optional £120 Insurance on top if your buying it on PAYG? but i suspect many people will be taking out 02's insurance since they will be forking out £538.30 for the phone itself.
I already have that now so will just carry that over.
Posted by Coxy
So if you buy the 3G S on PAYG you can stick a non-iphone-contract O2 sim in it and all will be well?
[ This Message was edited by: Coxy on 2009-06-10 20:45 ]
Posted by m8cky
@coxy
Yeah u can, I have had it confirmed. I also have asked on 3 seperate occasions if the phone will be locked to o2 and they have so far failed to comment......read into that as u feel is needed.....
Posted by bavlondon2
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
Posted by Mr Miyagi
To those people wondering about getting an unlock code from O2 for the Iphone. That won't happen, as the phone is locked by Apple not by O2. So I don't know why people get on the case for O2 to unlock it, when its done by the manufacture. Any unlock code's for O2 mobiles that may be locked is always requested from the manufacture direct.
Posted by scouser_75
On 2009-06-10 22:03:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
... and wouldn't you HAVE to pay a further/compulsory £10 per month to O2 for 12 months?
Or, once you've paid the price of the PAYG phone can you then just stick your middle finger up at O2 and not bother with the minimum payments p/m?
Posted by Mr Miyagi
You can buy the phone on pay and go and just use your o2 pay monthly sim in it. I am planning on buying it on prepay not yet though, once I have saved up for it (which will take a while lol, cuz am in no rush) and then I will be putting my pay monthly sim in it.
On 2009-06-10 22:51:54, scouser_75 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:03:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
... and wouldn't you HAVE to pay a further/compulsory £10 per month to O2 for 12 months?
Or, once you've paid the price of the PAYG phone can you then just stick your middle finger up at O2 and not bother with the minimum payments p/m?
Posted by Nanu
On 2009-06-10 22:48:48, Mr Miyagi wrote:
To those people wondering about getting an unlock code from O2 for the Iphone. That won't happen, as the phone is locked by Apple not by O2. So I don't know why people get on the case for O2 to unlock it, when its done by the manufacture. Any unlock code's for O2 mobiles that may be locked is always requested from the manufacture direct.
You have an uncanny knack of contradicting yourself!
Regardless who locks the device be it Apple or O2 if it isn't subsidised as the 2G wasn't then it should not be locked down to a network, O2 are as much to blame for this as Apple.
Posted by Superluminova
I really think we should get over this locked / unlocked thing with the iPhone in the UK as its not gonna change anytime soon.
Posted by Mr Miyagi
opps lol didn't see that i did that lol. neways oh well what can u do about the unlocking hey. neways agree with Superluminova though.
On 2009-06-10 23:21:16, Nanu wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:48:48, Mr Miyagi wrote:
To those people wondering about getting an unlock code from O2 for the Iphone. That won't happen, as the phone is locked by Apple not by O2. So I don't know why people get on the case for O2 to unlock it, when its done by the manufacture. Any unlock code's for O2 mobiles that may be locked is always requested from the manufacture direct.
You have an uncanny knack of contradicting yourself!
Regardless who locks the device be it Apple or O2 if it isn't subsidised as the 2G wasn't then it should not be locked down to a network, O2 are as much to blame for this as Apple.
[ This Message was edited by: Mr Miyagi on 2009-06-10 22:31 ]
Posted by masseur
agreed. even talking to O2 today about paying out my contract they said they still have no way to provide any kind of unlock code, and as far as they were aware, they have no plans to ever provide such codes for the iphone
so thats that
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-06-10 22:51:54, scouser_75 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:03:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
... and wouldn't you HAVE to pay a further/compulsory £10 per month to O2 for 12 months?
Or, once you've paid the price of the PAYG phone can you then just stick your middle finger up at O2 and not bother with the minimum payments p/m?
No mate there is no compulsory monthly topup payment when you get it on PAYG. You get 12 months free and then after that it's £10 a month to keep getting it. I called upO2 and confirmed this earlier.
"When you buy a new iPhone from us, we'll give you 12 months of unlimited web and Wi-Fi. It's called the O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On, and you'll be able to keep it at the end of the 12 months for £10 a month if you like."
Posted by Mr Miyagi
masseur atleast we can rely on the Turbo Sim though
Posted by SE-Naz
Where did you purchase the turbo sim and how reliable is it...???
Especially when using mobileweb???
Cheers
ENJOY
Posted by masseur
ah, well, bad news about that. I tried it on 2.21 before updating and mine no longer works. I was ure I had used it with 2.21 but I guess not, though I know definitly I used it with 2.2
also, it doesn't work with 3.0 so unless there's another one out there thats been updated I guess we're stuck for a while
edit: it was totally reliable when I was able to use it. Lets hope they come up with a new version as its a simple risk free way to use other sims
[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2009-06-10 22:45 ]
Posted by SE-Naz
I have read you can use a REBEL Turbo Sim on 2.2.1
Check it out
Cheers
ENJOY
Posted by Nanu
Agreed, put the lock issue to bed now, it can be bypassed by a flimsy piece of plastic and a few bits of copper and glass anyway, so who cares!
Posted by Mr Miyagi
I am just wondering, would it not be cheaper for us to buy a Iphone 3GS in France, as I believe they do it unlocked and it can be bought in that country. Plus Apple will have its worldwide warranty on it too?
Posted by Nanu
On 2009-06-10 23:41:28, bavlondon2 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:51:54, scouser_75 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:03:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
... and wouldn't you HAVE to pay a further/compulsory £10 per month to O2 for 12 months?
Or, once you've paid the price of the PAYG phone can you then just stick your middle finger up at O2 and not bother with the minimum payments p/m?
No mate there is no compulsory monthly topup payment when you get it on PAYG. You get 12 months free and then after that it's £10 a month to keep getting it. I called upO2 and confirmed this earlier.
"When you buy a new iPhone from us, we'll give you 12 months of unlimited web and Wi-Fi. It's called the O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On, and you'll be able to keep it at the end of the 12 months for £10 a month if you like."
Best thing to do with that sim is to stick it in a dongle and enjoy 12 months free browsing from you lappy!
Posted by scouser_75
On 2009-06-10 23:55:04, Mr Miyagi wrote:
I am just wondering, would it not be cheaper for us to buy a Iphone 3GS in France, as I believe they do it unlocked and it can be bought in that country. Plus Apple will have its worldwide warranty on it too?
Apple don't have worldwide warranty on iPhone.
Posted by Mr Miyagi
What about E.U wide warranty?
On 2009-06-11 00:32:41, scouser_75 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 23:55:04, Mr Miyagi wrote:
I am just wondering, would it not be cheaper for us to buy a Iphone 3GS in France, as I believe they do it unlocked and it can be bought in that country. Plus Apple will have its worldwide warranty on it too?
Apple don't have worldwide warranty on iPhone.
Posted by bavlondon2
On 2009-06-10 23:57:02, Nanu wrote:
On 2009-06-10 23:41:28, bavlondon2 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:51:54, scouser_75 wrote:
On 2009-06-10 22:03:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
Doesn'tit have to be on an iphone tarrif to work in it? I could be wrong.
... and wouldn't you HAVE to pay a further/compulsory £10 per month to O2 for 12 months?
Or, once you've paid the price of the PAYG phone can you then just stick your middle finger up at O2 and not bother with the minimum payments p/m?
No mate there is no compulsory monthly topup payment when you get it on PAYG. You get 12 months free and then after that it's £10 a month to keep getting it. I called upO2 and confirmed this earlier.
"When you buy a new iPhone from us, we'll give you 12 months of unlimited web and Wi-Fi. It's called the O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On, and you'll be able to keep it at the end of the 12 months for £10 a month if you like."
Best thing to do with that sim is to stick it in a dongle and enjoy 12 months free browsing from you lappy!
Good idea! Might just have to do that with my laptop on the way home from work every day! Genius! lol
I noticed some people have 3.0 installed now and have mentioned increased speeds in browsing as well some other little things eg auto fill in of passwords ect...