Posted by Piecan
mine has gone back to o2, but this was an inside pic I took today (whilst not touching the back of the phone of course)..
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Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-10-16 18:34:04, mongoose3800 wrote:
Please, anyone, proof me wrong. show me a full res image that would reall y leave someone wondering whether it was taken with a true digicam of camera phone.
How about this one?
Posted by masada71
trully amazing photos!!cant beleive that theyre from a cameraphone and not a digicam...
Posted by AbuBasim
Apologies for the large image linked directly.
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Posted by gola
er,lol,why did you post it?
EDIT:you said it was not from a camera phone...
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Posted by dcuk
OK here's my first attempts
First is a reduced size version
then 100% centre crop to show the detail
Posted by Sobo
dcuk,the first looks very good.
thx
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-10-16 19:56:40, gola wrote:
er,lol,why did you post it?
EDIT:you said it was not from a camera phone...
No, I said that it's not from a K850i. It is from another camera phone but I thought the main point was that some camera phones can produce photos comparable at least to P&S cameras.
Posted by DarKMaGiCiaN
regardint to mongoose3800 request
I have three which are some of the best shots I ever took
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=5666
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=5381
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=5382
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=5664
what do you think ?
I took it using my professional camera ( K750i )
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Posted by gola
On 2007-10-16 20:03:13, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-10-16 19:56:40, gola wrote:
er,lol,why did you post it?
EDIT:you said it was not from a camera phone...
No, I said that it's not from a K850i. It is from another camera phone but I thought the main point was that some camera phones can produce photos comparable at least to P&S cameras.
@darkmagician,those are beautiful photos.
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Posted by AbuBasim
@DarKMaGiCiaN:
The photos are very good, but three of them are very small. Why?
@gola:
Yes.
Posted by plankgatan
@dcuk.............welcome to the "Pro"-club...he he
(very good pic by the way)
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PS..i have now seen many k850 pics, and several of them is better then both i-mobile902 and N95.........no doubt about that..(k850 have better colors & sharpness on Portrait, Flash & Macro).
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Posted by DarKMaGiCiaN
@gola
thanks
@AbuBasim
that because K750 is just 2 MP
and when I uploaded the pics I thought that the site cant accept big fites
I still have the original pics and I cant post it for you if you want ^_^
Posted by Raaab
I would also like to point out that alot of people now take DVD's full of images to view on other peoples P.C.s/TV's.
you've kind of answered your own point here though. When you're viewing 5MP+ photo's on a monitor or a TV screen, you cannot get the whole picture in view when viewing at 100% view, and as such you're always going to get a reduced picture.
Posted by rockerZ
@Plankgatan
No offense or anything and i hope you don't mind , but man you've been praising your K850 since the beginning of thread.I mean now your saying that K850 can take better piczz then N95 and i-Mobile 902 , well i think there are ONLY like VERY VERY VERY few photos that will be taken better with K850 , The i-mobile 902's camera is REALLY GOOD ! ... K850 might be able to compete with N95 , but i-mobile has a really good camera ...
Posted by plankgatan
@rockerZ...i have NEVER said i-mobile have a bad camera...i only said that many of k850 Macro, Portrait & Flash pics are better.
(i-mobile take awesome night/low light pics....but the rest is similar)
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its not so many cell phones who can take with this colors & sharpness with NO flash and bad indoor-light.
(i dont want to brag, i only give the
commendation for the camera)
just look at the sharpness and the colors.....amazing
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Posted by rockerZ
On 2007-10-16 21:58:13, plankgatan wrote:
a other proof, is this pic...just look at the sharpness and the colors...amazing
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For God Sake don't compare that Pic with the Bird ...
That photo is awesome , No doubt ! , but if it would have been taken by a i-Mobile it would have been better ...
Posted by plankgatan
no way....(im "convinced" that NO cell phone had done this better).
k850 take better Macro...thats it !!!!
Posted by dcuk
Thank you Sobo & Plankgatan for your kind words
Posted by Pitzon
I got my beauty today and had really little time to play with it but i managed to shoot some "test-shots"
Much talk here about comparing the phone with a regular digicam and i can admit that you can buy a regular digicam today for around 135$ that would completely whoop the K850i. But yet again, thats not what we are talking about and i where well clear about this before i bought it.
Im very pleased sofar, for being a phone the pictures are quite amazing i think. I have also had K800, K810 earlier and the pictures i get with the K850i are alot better. But on the other hand i canīt recommend all of you who has the K800, K810 to buy the K850 just for getting a better cam. They can also produce decent shots.
Zooming pics to 100% will show quite a bit of noise and the pictures come up quite "pale" straight from the phone. They need a bit of "boost" in a photo-editor. Just applying some "autolevels" makes tons of difference.
I prefer this rather than some heavy stange noise reduction in the phone who takes away all the details because i almost always use a simple photo-editor to play with my pictures and resize them.
Here are some shots:
Resized Original
Crop of the fullsize pic
And after a run with "autolevels" in acdsee
Resized only
100% crop of the original
Resized original
100% crop of the original
Resized original
And after a fast "autolevel"
Sideshot of my little car in lack of other objects nearby. Resized and autoleveled in acdsee
Im really happy with it. I use a real digicam for "serious" shooting but i have always dreamt of having a better cam in my phone also for those quick funny moments. Think im going to have much fun with my K850i
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Posted by p!xarus
I think the color of the k850's pictures are great, and natural... The pics I have seen the colors have been surprisingly good.
But some fixing can make wonders...
Posted by p!xarus
Oh, forgot something
Great shots!!!
I especially liked the shots of your car and cell-phone
Posted by drsoran2
@ plankgatan I was wondering when the ring around the lens is glooming? Just after activating the cam or every time you take a photo? Do you know if the phone takes Micro SDHC? Which means MicroSD cards larger than 2 GB (eg. 4 GB or even the new 6 GB)? I'm wanting this phone more and more (because of the pictures I see), but I can't decide wheter to wait a few weeks for a little price drop or to get it now! Here in the US it's currently around 600 $ (and net even official released, all imports). I'm original from Germany and just here for an exchange year in the US and they have it in Germany already official out for the same price in Euro!
Posted by *Jojo*
Well HONESTLY, I am NOT yet amazed by this K850's- 5 MP camera . . . as majority of the ones uploaded here CAN be paralleled with that of the K800's/K810i's and EVEN - K750's
. . . so far, it's ONLY dcuk's - yellow flower that stands-out (well, not that amazing though . . .). Make it BETTER guys !
Posted by mongoose3800
Guy's don't get me wrong. I can actually see that there is an improvement in the images taken by the K850 over the K800. I just wish that a full res the images looked better. I guess I am being a bit picky because the images are fine when viewed to fit the screen.
The thing I like most about digital photography is that feeling of awe you get when you look at a good photo full size on a large screen and it looks perfect, when you can see really fine details without noise or artifacts and being able to zoom in for a better look. This just won't happen with the K850 or any Camera phone.
Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-10-16 22:49:33, Pitzon wrote:
Resized only
. . . well, these TWO-uploads are GOOD to my
Congrats mate!
Posted by max_wedge
On 2007-10-17 01:51:54, mongoose3800 wrote:
Guy's don't get me wrong. I can actually see that there is an improvement in the images taken by the K850 over the K800. I just wish that a full res the images looked better. I guess I am being a bit picky because the images are fine when viewed to fit the screen.
The thing I like most about digital photography is that feeling of awe you get when you look at a good photo full size on a large screen and it looks perfect, when you can see really fine details without noise or artifacts and being able to zoom in for a better look. This just won't happen with the K850 or any Camera phone.
I agree 100% about the awe factor.
But yet my mum's Kodak 5MP, while better than K850, still doesn't have that nice perfect finish. In my experience you need a prosumer camera or an expensive compact before you even start to get that kind of quality. And I have to say, many of my K800 shots are very clear and sharp and give me that awe factor. Also the results are often disappointing, but ONLY if you are expecting quality digicam results. If you lower your expectations just a little, you will enjoy the good shots so much more.
Posted by rockygali
B I N G O! @Max
yes, a prosumer camera will definitely give you the results you like minimized or maximized.
coz these camphone can only do what a typical point and shoot cam can do.
and nothing more, for the known reason that the cam module is at its best on that size....
only prosumer cams, or DSLR and eDSLR, EOS, etc etc. can give wonders on major close ups....
im not a photo enthusiast tho i wanna be one. but looking at K850 on 100% res and looking at those edges, i think i will be contented at the results im seeing. those same jaggies, artefacts, infringements etc etc can also be seen in some point & shoot cams if not all... and thats what we have to know about camphones, take can only function as our daily P&S digicams.
why people are fond of camphones, coz they can perform some functions like our P&S cams, theyre compact, and you can make calls from them.
given the chance, i would really love to have a K850 for those once in a lifetime moment, and a prosumer cam for some of those interesting places to visit.
but then again, we all have our preferences....
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-17 04:16:25, rockygali wrote:
B I N G O! @Max
only prosumer cams, or DSLR and eDSLR, EOS, etc etc. can give wonders on major close ups....
DSLRs is a Type Of Camera, EOS is a brandname under the Canon Camera Family
Posted by Shuuro
On 2007-10-16 22:10:49, plankgatan wrote:
no way....(im "convinced" that NO cell phone had done this better).
k850 take better Macro...thats it !!!!
greetings plankgatan,
having read your posts to this forum for quite sometime, i'm sure that no matter what evidence that people provide here to the contrary to your opinion you wont agree but just for the sake of it, below are the links to macro pics taken with a camera phone by DigDub, which were originally posted at hardwarezone.
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a4d9cd3b4f.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6e616e1470.jpg
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/09237591da.jpg
and finally this one: http://flickr.com/photos/shuuro/1417215416/
if i crop above pic at 100% this is what we get to see: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2091/1595315214_b479a245d0_o_d.jpg
I think pics taken with k750i lacks details due to its less mp but it produces much better sharp and vibrant pics when compared to k850i, IMHO.
Others, sorry for this distraction and please continue with your postings. I anticipate kind of responses that i would get and since i made my point, i would try to restrain myself from further posting.
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Posted by *Jojo*
On 2007-10-17 06:31:52, Shuuro wrote:
I think pics taken with k750i lacks details due to its less mp but it produces much better sharp and vibrant pics when compared to k850i, IMHO.
. . . with the quality of images I am seein' here (taken from their K850's) at present . . . I would quite AGREE with -shuuro's point ! Let's just give them more time to better their - shots (K850)
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Posted by SaLiH
@Shuuro I was going to post your photos from flickr, and digdub's photos of that fly last night after I saw that post, but I didn't want to do it without your permission. I'm glad you did it. You can post your shots taken by i-mobile 902 in this thread if you want.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=157152#post2134412
Posted by rockygali
On 2007-10-17 04:26:05, razec wrote:
On 2007-10-17 04:16:25, rockygali wrote:
B I N G O! @Max
only prosumer cams, or DSLR and eDSLR, EOS, etc etc. can give wonders on major close ups....
DSLRs is a Type Of Camera, EOS is a brandname under the Canon Camera Family
copy that HQ, i know that... just wanted to enumerate as far as i can.
maybe others arent familiar with DSLR then EOS will ring the bell.. sumthin like that...
Posted by plankgatan
@SaLiH (no offend,) but some of the i-mobile pics are not so very good....(special the indoor pics but also some of the outdoor pics)...they looks blurry and unsharp.....(like i said...no offend)...
after i have seen this i-mobile pics, i even more sure that k850 take better Macro, portrait & Flash...........see you.
Posted by razec
On 2007-10-17 12:50:17, plankgatan wrote:
@SaLiH (no offend,) but some of the i-mobile pics are not so very good....(special the indoor pics but also some of the outdoor pics)...they looks blurry and unsharp.....(like i said...no offend)...
after i have seen this i-mobile pics, i even more sure that k850 take better Macro, portrait & Flash...........see you.
A Better Sensor used in 902 has an advantage over the k850 by means of a more qualitative shots: more accurate colors, higher dynamic range and sharper details. but given the decade-long intelligence of Sony in making cameras they can even improve K850's camera quality by their well known imaging algorithm in measuring autofocus reliability, flash range optimization and many more. but the thing that hinders K850 in taking over 902's camera power was the sensor inferiority.
Posted by gola
well the i-mobile 902's photos definitely have the wow factor or maybe it's just the super model flies...
Posted by tai020381
See page 1 & 2
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1753130
See page 43 & 44
http://forums.hardwarezone.co[....]ad.php?t=1641593&page=42&pp=15
Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-10-17 12:50:17, plankgatan wrote:
@SaLiH (no offend,) but some of the i-mobile pics are not so very good....(special the indoor pics but also some of the outdoor pics)...they looks blurry and unsharp.....(like i said...no offend)...
after i have seen this i-mobile pics, i even more sure that k850 take better Macro, portrait & Flash...........see you.
So wy have we not seen any full size photos from you?
Macro shots become really interesting when full size is required to see all the details. Here's one example (original):
And a 800x600 crop at full size:
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Posted by plankgatan
i
k850..............realy satisfied with this pics..(and guess what...they looks good in full size to)
even with zoom, it looks good
full size
full size
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Posted by AbuBasim
On 2007-10-17 14:08:45, plankgatan wrote:
i
k850..............realy satisfied with this pics..(and guess what...they looks good in full size to)
. . . but you're not ready to show any of them to us? You don't feel like you need to hide them, do you?!
Posted by plankgatan
eehhh........slow down Pedro...there you have them.........(directley from the phone).
ps...i dont see any point to show in full size....you never print them out in full size anyway.....(or show your grandmother in that way....he he he
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Posted by Arne Anka
@AbuBasim
Have to ask you something. The picture taken with 902 showing some buildings here http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=156144&start=255 , it looks like the buildings on the left lean to the right and the one on the right lean to the left. Only the one in the middle eem to be stright. It almost look like the picture was taken through a bulb.
Any idea why (were you on the move or something) ?
Posted by AbuBasim
@Arne Anka,
No, I was standing still. It is due to the wide angle lens of the i-mobile 902 and this can be annoying sometimes. If you take pictures of tall buildings using a wide angle lens then these tend to look warped, narrowing off upwards.
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Posted by goldenface
@Plankgatan
Great pictures once again, especially the 1st and 2nd.
Have you considered taking K850i 3MP snaps and comparing them with your K810i?
Posted by max_wedge
@all those who complain about resized pics, there are heaps of non-resized photos around the place where you can see what the quality is like. And they aren't dismal by any means. They are quite good. Not as clear or noise free as the imobile, but let's remember the imobile is CCD based and the only camera on the market atm that is. It also has a much limited market compared to K850 (so for many of us it's not an option). Just because the K850 isn't as clear as the imobile is no reason to bag the K850.
It's fair to compare K850 and N95 (and imho K850 comes out on top overall) but not so fair to compare it against the imobile which uses different technology. CCD is still better quality than cmos in all but high end DSLR's and some prosumers.
The other factor to remember when looking at full size pics, it's very easy to make a crap photo by 1. covering the sensors, or 2. not holding the camera steady. Cheap digicams of any variety compensate for high noise at high iso's by lowering shutter speed as much as possible while still within the human limits of ability to hold the device steady. If you don't concentrate hard on keeping cheap digicams steady, you will often get unfocused photos, not through the fault of the camera.
I have seen many such K850 photos taken by those with a shaky hand. When you look at the good samples, they are clear and sharp. So I can only conclude that the camera is capable of taking clear photos, and that when it doesn't it's the user's inability to hold the camera steady.
I found exactly the same with my K800 - it REALLY pays to be careful that you are holding the camera steady when you take a photo. I have many pics that would be clear and sharp if only I had paid more attention while pressing the shutter. I also have many K800 pics sharp as a knife, when I WAS paying attention.
Plankgatan is a great photographer, and he is showing us what is possible with the K850. I don't think he is hiding anything at all. It's up to any of you to browse the many K850 photo reviews (or this thread even), were there ARE full size pics for viewing.
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Posted by Arne Anka
On 2007-10-17 14:31:35, AbuBasim wrote:
@Arne Anka,
No, I was standing still. It is due to the wide angle lens of the i-mobile 902 and this can be annoying sometimes. If you take pictures of tall buildings using a wide angle lens then these tend to look warped, narrowing off upwards.
Never seen buildings lean that much with any other cam phone, so I had to ask. Thanks for you answer.
Posted by plankgatan
he he he...all talk about full size pictures makes me laugh a little..
for example, use a realy good digi-cam (let say a 7 M.P), take a picture....look at the picture in full size......how does it look ?????.....(does it look like shit ???...maybe not, but nearly)
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Posted by AbuBasim
Full size is important when printing the photos. If you have a photo you are really satisfied with and want to print it, to hang it on the wall in your living room, then which file would you print: the 800x600 scaled down image you posted at Esato, or the 2592x1944 full size? (Hint: 800x600 printed on A3 paper makes each pixel visible without using a magnifying glass.)
If you only ever look at your snaps on a computer monitor then the number of megapixels is not important. Why go for a 5MP K850i when the 0.3MP K220 should be enough? And you'll save a bundle of cash!
When my i-mobile 902 breaks, I may buy the K850i. But I will not be printing any more A3 blow-ups. The K850i will be good only for A5. The purple fringing becomes too apparent if printed at larger scale.
Posted by apotts
On 2007-10-17 15:09:48, plankgatan wrote:
for example, use a realy good digi-cam (let say a 7 M.P), take a picture....look at the picture in full size......how does it look ?????.....(does it look like shit ???...maybe not, but nearly)
Like this?
