Posted by sebzZ
i'm stuck between these two.
help me please.
Posted by mores
get some oil and wiggle yourself free.
wizard vs universal = MDAc vs MDA3
except that the wizard isn't available yet
Posted by sebzZ
both isnt out yet.
htc universal
--> http://www.eprice.com.tw/news/?news_id=2913
htc wizard
--> http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4083.html
Posted by masseur
I've been agonising over this question for the last few days. I have the i-mate k-jam (wizard) on order and hesitated at the i-mate JasJar (universal) due to its size and also partly for the cost
I really like the form factor of the universal and the swivel screen and 3g support etc but I really loved using my i-mate JAM which is what the k-jam is replacing and so the natural choice is the k-jam
I've always cringed when people post "shall I get this or that" threads thinking that surely the poster must know what they want but for the first time ever, I am really stuck
I can see me getting both and deciding when they are in my hand but thats alot of money to play with
arrrggghhhh!
Posted by amnesia
the universal is just too big. I dont know it looks like it'll break easily. Thats just my impression.
I'd go with the Wizard.
Posted by masseur
but is it too big? this is what I keep asking myself. I've always considered the P series too big but for me too big usually means too big for what it offers. The universal does seem to offer just about everything!
Posted by amnesia
but think about it. What does it offer that the Jam doesn't?
(besides Wifi, although you could get a Wifi SD card)
I mean the side view looks great, when it's open it jsut, i dunno, I feel people will comment on size rather than functionality.
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Posted by masseur
I did have a wifi card for my Jam and used it alot. I didn't like swapping it in and out with my 2gb SD card though
its also has 3g capability, of course, and a VGA resolution screen
Windows media 5 looks good too but I'd get that in the wizzard anyway
Its also has USB 2 Support and a much higher capacity battery and they seem to have vastly improved bluetooth support too.
hmmmm.....
Posted by Supa_Fly
@masseur (sorry if I got it wrong),
Reasons for both;
BOTH: Windows Mobile v5 if FULLY skinable - skin & get ringtones with the skin.
better music playback support > comparable to iTunes. Very Good. I'm a fan of Windows Media Player again after say 5 years!
Universal Much better battery life in regards to long bouts of WiFi surfing, or xfering of files over wireless network. Long trips too.
Wizard (depending on the casing, I prefer the squared buttons look); more sleek in width so better for jeans, but unsure of the cpu speed, to many conflicting reports; if its the Texas Instruments OMAP 850 > I'll avoid it like the plague I was amongst the first to test the 730 (i think) in the HP iPaq 6315 that Tmobile Launched & was unimpressed with gaming application support, program speed; aside for web-browsing & WiFi searching. The new OMAP cpu is supposed to be much better but I feel the Xscale cpu's from Intel in the Universal give better ARM9/7 performance! Hence why its the king of the hill.
slide out keyboard is sweet looking, but will it get loose over multiple usuage in say 8 months????? BIG concern. The sliding mechanism is very similar to the first 3 Palm Tungstens & other slider phones that just dont last well in my opinion.
Universal: IF its keyboard can be used by Touch Typists .... BOYAAH!! GET IT. pure laptop replacement. God less than 4 years ago Intel P3 laptops topped out at 650Mhz!! (Compaq E500+DVD/ROM)
I do hope this helps. btw the Universal getting sprung from a suit pocket, especially in black it just so BOND like.
Posted by masseur
thanks prom1, certainly points to ponder. my i-mate JAM had WMP10 which was pretty good but I mostly watch videos using betaplayer (well I still call it that although its had a name change now).
The wizard is rumoured to be only a 200mhz processor which seems a step backwards.
according to the mini Q&A at engadget the universal is not for touch typists
well, I have both on order now, the jasjar (universal) is due in 6 days and the k-jam (wizard) towards the end of the month so I guess I can cancel the second if I am happy with the first. If I don't like the JasJar then its fortunate that Expansys have a 21 day no questions asked returns policy
Posted by mustafabay
I think the wizard is better for size reasons mostly. But what was I-mate thinking with JasJar? Does the name have a meaning? Is K-Jam confirmed as a name too?
Posted by Pallister
Called Qtek 9000 and Qtek 9100 here in Scandinavia...
Posted by masseur
@Pallister, I'm sure in the same way that the jam was available in Scandinavia from more companies that just qtek, the wizard and universal will also be available in i-mate, o2, orange etc variants
The Qtek versions you mention is also listed to be available in UK along with the i-mate, o2 and orange versions. I haven't yet heard about the the t-mobile names for these
I guess it just comes down to whether you want branding (i.e on contract) or not and I always prefer not
Posted by masseur
Tomorrow is going to be an interesting fun day
edit: thats from Expansys btw
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Posted by masseur
well, expansys seems to have had this one "available in 7 days" for a few days now!
having found a few things on the JasJar that I must have missed when I read the specs I have now looked closer at the k-jam specs and I notice it uses mini-SD... arrgghh! why would they do that? I have a couple of 2gb SD cards and I dno't think you can even get 2gb in mini-SD format. The JAM took standard size SD so why give this one mini-SD?
I'm still a little concerned at the TI OMAP 850 processor only being 200mhz compared with the JAMs Intel Bulverde 416MHz and the JasJar's Intel Bulverde 520MHz as it seems a little slow and I can't really find anything to compare the Intel and TI processors performance wise as the differentarchitecture of the processor might mean that 200mhz isn't all that bad.
anyone got any info on that? all I have found is this
Posted by masseur
ok, I now have both in my hot little hands and I'm still completely and utterly undecided... this is gonna be a long weekend!
I'm a little dissapointed that I had not noticed that the numeric row shares the top row of the alpha keyboard, i.e. the digits are placed as shift keys above the qwertyuiop
the stylus is interesting and caught me by surprise when I pulled it out of the k-jam. it was short and stubby compared to the stylus of the jasjar
but then I realised they wouldn't do that so I pulled it from each end and sure enough it is telescopic
Posted by irfan
time enough yet to make a decision masseur.........the vultures are a lurking
Posted by masseur
I've actually made my mind this week after actual usage of both devices in a kind of parallel test.
while the JasJar is the one I really would like to keep, the k-jam is the winner of my requirements.
The 3g in the JasJar was a good feature but I have found that vodafone availability of 3g on my usual daily routes is weak and unreliable and using the GPRS on the k-jam next to the 3g on the JasJar for doing simple email, html light on esato and other simple activities shows very little difference at all. 3G might be better and faster for larger volumes of data but for web browsing I am happy with the k-jam performance. Also, I never do video calling.
The JasJar keyboard is far superior to that of the k-jam but I have rarely used a keyboard on such a device. I did try Compaqs offering for the ipaqs but never wanted to carry them around with me so always sold them off. However, I noted all my use of the keyboard on both devices and found that it was around 20% of my total time using the devices.
Finally, I have always had a dislike of larger devices as I firmly believe that we must be comfortable carrying the devices we use in most of our daily situations. I did try very hard to live with the JasJar but found there were many situations where it was just getting in the way as its not the kind of device you can easily hang on your belt.
So, despite my overall preference being for the JasJar, the k-jam wins because it provides almost most that the JasJar offers but in a much more convenient package allowing me to use it in many more situations and also discreetly.
Posted by irfan
and the asking price is now reduced to ????...............lol
Posted by Supa_Fly
@Masseur, any idea what the squared off version of the K-Jam is called - its still an HTC Wizard - but the edges of the device is sqaured and silver case. Any idea what brand name it'll be offered under?
Posted by irfan
@MASSEUR
as you have been patient with my silly questions can you forgive my ignorance in 2 more:
it says on expansys that the k-jam has wifi?
and if the major feature i want is to access my internet router at home through either of the two(jas-jar or k-jam)-without paying gprs charges will it not be wiser for me to go with the cheaper of the two?
will try to be less basic in future with my q's
thanks
Posted by masseur
two things come to mind here if that is your requirement.
Firstly, the jasjar clearly has a larger screen that the k-jam so that might be a factor.
Also, the K-kam supports the faster 802.11g (as well as 802.11b) whereas the jasjar only supports 802.11b
hope that helps
Posted by irfan
@ masseur
it does help thanks i can live without the slight difference in screen screen size as the price difference is enormous....but both would do the job of connecting to the router ........my p910 is terrible through bluetooth......even opera wont open without trying to connect through my phone
THANKS MASSEUR ur a gentleman......may just have saved myself unneccesary expnase
Posted by irfan
Masseur
Loved your full review on both products. Is the K-JAM available on networks under their own name-like you showed me for the JASJAR on Orange?
Posted by irfan
http://www.phones2udirect.co.[....]354/NetworkID/I-Mate-K-Jam.asp
can anyone confirm they have tried this site and if it is reliable?
i have finally decided what i want and w
ant it quickly now- but am as previous posts may have indicated very cautious about these things but trust the posters on this site and value thier opinions.
Posted by irfan
arghhhhhhh after saying I knew what I wanted..the Kjam... i impulsed today and got the jasjar orrather the o2 version of it xda exec.......wish me luck with it as i will prob have lots of questions for u Masseur by tonight. Better get back to work now... ps its not NEARLY as big as I thought after your descriptions..which is the reason I changed my mind and just went for it.
Posted by masseur
good luck!
I sold mine today so its just the k-jam but I'll be happy to answer any questions that I can
Posted by J273
So which would you say is the better device between the k-jam and the imate jam 128mb version is the k-jam alot slower with it having less memory or would you say its as fast if not faster with it having wm05's new storage.
Would you say its a downgrade form a 128mb jam or an upgarde performance wise,Thanks in advance
Posted by irfan
Hi Masseur...........havent had much time to fiddle with it but made my first mistake and wonder if you can help.........ive lost the today screen coz wen i click it it comes up with the msn screen....any ides why?.............it happened shortly after the first time i connected to my laptop
Posted by masseur
first I'd try a soft reset
then if that doesn't work go to settings, personal tab, today and attempted to choose a theme
last choice is hard reset as I'm not aware there is any way of making the pocket msn as your home page, at least not in the i-mate jasjar or k-jam
Posted by irfan
where would i be without you SIR..........THANK YOU.........this is an amazing device btw
Posted by masseur
which suggestion worked?
Posted by irfan
sorry Masseur I should have said...... the soft reset..........its odd it must have been to do with the synch with laptop............i dont think there is an option to CONNECT to pc without doing the synch,,, i mean just for file sharing.........looking in to it just now. ......and it doesnt seem to have asked me if i wanted to make the msn sign on page the one that would appear when the home tab is clicked.......which in itself is odd.........but bear in mind this is the o2 version whereas you had the original......but thanks anyway and i am sure i wil be abck for more advice..........I love the new devices and am sometimes embarassed that people in the know like yourslef perhaps think they are wasted on me.........but i DO LOVE them lol
Posted by masseur
glad its sorted. whenever you get something strange, a quick soft reset is often all that is required. I still do one soft reset a day but probably more from habbit as windows mobile 5 (and WM2003SE) is so much more stable than earlier pocketpc O/S versions
I hope you're happy with this device. I'm sad mine has gone now but I'm still happy I made the right choice for me
Posted by irfan
I am im just going to kick myslef if it comes out on orange soon........fat chance huh?........and if i could have got it cheaper on an upgrade........maybe they will do the kjam and i could have both lol
Posted by masseur
can't remember where I read it but I did read that the Orange SPV5000 is available in switzerland this week
Posted by irfan
Hi again Masseur,
Had a bit of time now with it..........the problems i said before were to do with seting the themes i think every time i change the theme i have to do a soft reset.
Can you tell me a couple of other things if you remember.........i have set up many emai accounts..........the problem i am having is that it doesnt appear to allow editing the names of these once set up or if i have accidentally set the odd one up wrong ..........to delete them.
Also did you think the call volume was a bit low on your device? a bit like the k750's actually. And finally sorry for the onslaught btw......i take it i cant register with club i-mate because its the o2 version? the registration process tells me invalid imei number?
Posted by masseur
not being able to change email account names has not been possible for as long as I can remember on pocketpc devices, and the thing is that its not wholly obvious at the point where it asks for the account name that that is what you should enter. certainly I have been caught out a few times...
I didn't have an issue with the volume but to be honest its a little large to be holding up to your face so I mostly used a bluetooth headset. Sound through the speakers was perfect ok though.
no, you'll only be able to sign up for i-mate support if you have an i-mate product. i-mate support is great IMHo and I have had a few live chats with their guys there as well as email exchanges
Posted by irfan
Thanks for that Masseur...........the email problem would have been annoying me for ages lol had u not said its not just me............does that mean you have like me tons of them?and half of them wrong lol? how can i delete the ones that are wrong...........yes you r of course right about the holding to ear..just getting caught out with the first few calls with speaker tweaking and end up lol ACTUALLY holding it to ear (but in the privacy of my own company lol)...the themes thing was THAT a problem for you and also the screen light although it conserves energy i cant seem to set it to stay on permanently wen i have the phone open and on the i-mate i tried again ....no joy...it says its either invalid number or pre registered
one other q if u dont mind............as i think i can rest easier if YOU confirm this as although O2 have im still hesitant.............wen im im on the internet it shows my home network through my router............ but it also says connected in front of the 02 gprs connection....O2 service person insists i wont be incurring gprs charges.........but the kind of person i am i just want to be sure and not have to arguw ith them next month that they said i wouldnt be when a bill for £1000's comes in.
Posted by masseur
no, I'm a clean and tidy person so I delete any that are defined incorrectly.
To delete an email account, in messaging just click menu, tools, options. This lists the accounts, then press the stylus on the one you want to delete until the deletion option appears (see pic)
no ,I have not experienced a themes problem and using spb plus I have cycled through all the standard ones and the ones that come with spb plus.
in settings, systems tab, backlight, battery power tab you just need to untick the "turn off backlight if device is not used for..." checkbox then the backlight stays on permanantly.
i-mate is just like o2, they are companies that brand HTC products so its unlikely i-mate will let you register for support on their site unless you have one of their own products. O2 presumably have their own support site but U doubt ut will be as good as the i-mate one unfortunately.
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I'm not sure where you are looking but if you click the connectivity icon (in the top bar next to the signal meter) it will tell you if you if you are using gprs or wifi. you will also notice much better performance while using wifi so you will most definitly know what you are connected to.
Posted by irfan
Thanks once again sir.........the account which was wrong I deleted...the others are at least working so I will delete and RENAME them appropraitely when i feel more comfortable with the device, seeing as you cant edit the names.
I have tried your backlight reply...it was actually unticked anyway but i ticked and then unticked again.... but it still goes off automatically after 5 mins.and i have to press the power button again.
Re the gprs.......again that was where i was looking it actually shows my network with a bargraph...AND THE O2 GPRS says connected too
Can i be a pain and ask one final question for toda if you dont mind?
what method did u use to transfer contacts to the jasjar......ive tried many methods with no joy........i have the p910 with orange and obviously O2 with the xda exec
Posted by masseur
if you have done as I suggested, you're backlight is almost certainly not turning off. In fact the whole device is turning off as there is a separate setting in settings, system tab, power, advanced tab then "turn off device if not used for...". disable that and the device will stay on and the backlight will also stay on
I always sync my phones wih outlook to get contacts, calendar, notes, tasks etc over to the phones
Posted by irfan
bingo i had just done that befoe i read your post cheers re the backlight.......ah i dont use outlook so i will need to find another method thanks again for your help today......cheques made payable to?
Posted by masseur
masseur.old.age.pension@esato.com
glad I've been helpful!
Posted by irfan
Hi again Masseur
I am finding it difficult to turn the device "OFF" AS OPPOSED to "SLEP" ie just the backlight off..........i never noticed it at the weekend as i always had it on charge and never realised but today whilst out and about the battery drained, when I presumed I had it turned "OFF" it must oly have been on sleep.........in your valued opinion is this a fault of the power button where it doesnt turn off completely?
Posted by masseur
are you pressing and holding or just doing a quick press? its the latter that is required to turn it off and on. I've had no issues with that at all
Posted by irfan
Thanks AGAIN...........i must seem like an ass(probably because I AM lol).........but in my defence i will say that in the manuall there are certain parts EVEN I skip............thinking erm i dont need to know how to turn the device on and off..............how WRONG was I lol.......but you would have thought it would be the other way around wouldnt you hard press for off and low press for energy conservation.
off topic and just a gen observation the contacts listing and options from that arent as good as the p910's I dont think..............whats your opinion?
Posted by masseur
you're kidding aren't you? its been a while since I have the P series but I'm sure the P series never had the vast array of fields that the windows mobile devices have
if you don't use MS outlook on PC you are missing out a bit because so so much of its content gets synced to the windows mobile 5 device.
I'll post screen captures of the windows mobile contact here for people to compare and maybe agree with you or me.
Posted by irfan
its not just the fields and i admit i havent had time to look thoroughly yet.................but for a start u can have so many mobile numbers in p910 and each gives you eg option to txt to...............useful in this age wen so many ppl esp young crowd i hang with that have 2 sometimes 3 different mobile numbers,,,,,,,,and maybe the functionality is made easier by the jog dial and top right button on the p910 to access options to work with a number whilst in contacts?
Posted by irfan
Good Morning Masseur
Which bluetooth headset were you using and your recommendation?