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Sony Xperia rumours 2022 |
sidneylopsides
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Quad Bayer 48mp output is supposed to be used as 12Mp, it should just help dynamic range. They've done it on one of the A7 range now too.
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Hawk12
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Only A7s3 has. DR is same compared to other Alpha. All this to offer 8K? Be sure the 48MP photos are going to be bad just like all other phones at full resolution.
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spektykles
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Another benefit of using Quad Bayer sensors is that you can now recording 8K video (if properly implemented requires at least 18MP). Maybe a world first with 8K 60fps HDR recording on all lens then jk  (but I know somebody will do it anyway)
I think you can have the options to output full sensor MP pic, not just a Quad-bayer'ed resolution. Ofc with Sony track record we wont have it immediately.
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Hawk12
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The 16mm and 70mm from mark 2 and 3 do not even have 4K@60. When these cmos support.
Hard to think sony would offer 8K besides the 24mm.
My expectation : 50MP bayer 1/1.4" with A1 tech. 😍
Reality: leftovers from BBK ..😒
My expectation : 10mm, 28mm , 70-200mm 😍
What I suspect: 16mm, 24mm, 52mm, 120mm 😒
Someone on weibo left a comment to tell people to expect more expensive than mark 3.
How much does it cost to give stereo instead of mono to lower tier phone?
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spektykles
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Sony dont have any excessive money to developing some unique sensor for Xperia and even if they have some leftover money, no way Big Chinese companies are the biggest customers of Sony Semicon, they have big influences on the company and are the one funding the development of new sensor techs which trickle down to the rest including Xperia And the cooperation between Sony Electronics and Sony Semicon is almost non existence, Sony Semi treats other Sony subsidiaries just plain customers, same tier as other companies. They dont have priority access to Sony Semicon's latest and greatest stuff unless they cough up some serious money, just like the Chinese, even in the past
Xperia only advantages now is the integration of Sony Electronics consumer tech and the design. Nothing more. If you want brute hardware, go look at the Chinese. Dont look back |
Hawk12
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Revenue of mobile and cam business are basically same according to the financial data. If Electronics can afford the extremely almighty fancy obscenely priced imx610, should have no problem to pay maybe $50-70 exmor for xperia.
Kill the 10 series and save R&D. I doubt it sells any near 1 series anyway.
I bet 220, 300 and 400 were easily the most expensive ones from their time.
1ii and 1iii are advertised as pocket A9. Even have same 20fps 60 AE/AF.
So, if A9 iii comes with 60fps + 120 AE/AF as gossips say, then 1iv needs to do same.
People are paying $2000 on pro-i. Other would not mind paying maybe $1450-1500 on 1iv if sony slaps something more expensive than the original plan inside.
The one I asked about couple weeks ago is enough. 🙏🏻
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cool_sauce
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So I guess rumors of them dropping variable focal lenght are also true. |
Hawk12
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First time I heard of it, person says something like high pressure on the components and they would be concerned about durability. Translation of chinese is kinda confusing . If they do it, it is failure, because I suppose Oppo gonna bring their 80-200mm this year or next.
Does not matter the tricks, digital zoom is not same thing. Digital zoom cuts the photo, upscales back to original resolution and adds sharpening. Reason it looks crap.
Also, time to make 10 and 5 with 6,3" and 1 with 6,7". |
spektykles
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On 2022-01-18 13:10:02, Hawk12 wrote:
Revenue of mobile and cam business are basically same according to the financial data. If Electronics can afford the extremely almighty fancy obscenely priced imx610, should have no problem to pay maybe $50-70 exmor for xperia.
Kill the 10 series and save R&D. I doubt it sells any near 1 series anyway.
I bet 220, 300 and 400 were easily the most expensive ones from their time.
1ii and 1iii are advertised as pocket A9. Even have same 20fps 60 AE/AF.
So, if A9 iii comes with 60fps + 120 AE/AF as gossips say, then 1iv needs to do same.
People are paying $2000 on pro-i. Other would not mind paying maybe $1450-1500 on 1iv if sony slaps something more expensive than the original plan inside.
The one I asked about couple weeks ago is enough. 🙏🏻
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2022-01-18 12:21 ]
Your comparison is bad. Selling a camera body with a single sensor or two with a margins of thousands of $ is one thing, selling a phone with multiple sensors for peanuts (few hundred $, sometime even less barely cover the costs) is another thing. With the camera because the margins is so high, you can invest in a flagship sensor and still making profit, because you only need to sell a few thousand of them to recoup the cost. With a phone, that scale shifts to hundred of thousand of phones. Either way, your expectation are unrealistic.
Not to mention with a camera body you are forced to invest in lens system, accessories,....making you even more profit and incentive to invest into R&D. With a phone, you can sell some official cases and chargers maybe,...eh. Other company have their own ecosystem as an advantage, not so much with Sony. They had a great ecosystem but unfortunately axed because cost-cutting.
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Hawk12
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Do you know why samsung uses exmor for snapdragon variant? Do you know exactly price difference between 766 and GN5 for example? |
spektykles
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Multiple reasons I can think, cheaper because in-house, optimized ISP for ISOCELL (but Exynos still can use any sensors not just ISOCELL) and to avoid "silicon lottery" which affects sale and reputation....
Sensor is not the whole picture. optics quality also matters. Previously both Vivo and Sony introduced high quality lens made from hybrid glass-plastic (with helps from ZEISS). Then on Pro-I they use true glass, however with glass that introduce a whole lot advantages and disadvantages compared to plastics.... |
Hawk12
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Except those galaxy ultra, Samsung every year uses exmor + snapdragon and exynos + isocell. I wonder why not using only isocell for all devices.
The advertisement of pro-i is very confusing. I still do not understand if the 24mm has all elements of glass or just the first. |
xpr
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On 2022-01-19 18:53:12, spektykles wrote:
Multiple reasons I can think, cheaper because in-house, optimized ISP for ISOCELL (but Exynos still can use any sensors not just ISOCELL) and to avoid "silicon lottery" which affects sale and reputation....
Sensor is not the whole picture. optics quality also matters. Previously both Vivo and Sony introduced high quality lens made from hybrid glass-plastic (with helps from ZEISS). Then on Pro-I they use true glass, however with glass that introduce a whole lot advantages and disadvantages compared to plastics....
What are the disadvantages of using glass? |
Hawk12
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I suppose: thicker, heavier and more expensive.
I do not know if they can suffer more with reflections inside.
What do you about about the new Qualcomm-Sony lab in San Diego? Would that be Qualcomm helping sony with next generation bionz?
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