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Sony Xperia Rumours 2020 |
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Doesn't matter. Their article doesn't mention in house materials cost less. They are probably taking prices from the market. Even if that's true then why does Xperia have 75% of cam sensors from Samsung? You have to admit except screen, all of X1 materials must be cheaper (edit: or equal). And that's the price when it was first released. X1 came 3 months later, things get cheaper in time. I might even argue that X1 bom is under 400.
Sony is known to have higher profit margins, there's no way it costs more to make 1 and it's 50 dollars cheaper (retail price)
DRAM in Samsung is double the size of the one in 1. I don't think the sensor costs more than what is in the S10. The lens could be more expensive though.
Financial reports will be released on the 30th this month.
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I mean that a stacked cmos costs more than non-stacked cmos counterpart. Much more.
X1 main cam costs more than X5 main camera.
Apple uses isocell too.
Except isocell and ufs2.1, I cant think of anything cheaper about X1.
It has GG6, usb 3.1, screen seems very expensive, ingress protection hardware and certification, military certification like LG phones, zeiss lenses (The milvus logo is not on UWA module, might be G instead).
Adapt things from Alpha and Bravia do not seem easy and cheap.
The guy responsible for Creator Mode said doing it on a phone was a huge challenge.
This story is very weird, because even with lower sales they should not be losing all that money.
Google and OP sell less than Sony, but are not losing with phones.
Sony also lost a lot with Z, M , C and E too.
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Told this before. It's a high density panel but it doesn't have curves or punch holes or tucked in drivers. It's a very straightforward panel. It has a plain old fps, no wireless (reverse) charging. Nothing special for the glass finish. Less ram, less d ram, one less camera, less battery, no jack. Integrated qualcomm audio chip (S10 exynos has cirrus logic). Design-wise it's also a very simple assembly it's almost the same as old Z phones.
S10 also has those things except back glass and military standard. But that mil std rating is nowhere to be found on any official product pages. Only one clove.co.uk page which could be a mistake. And software or rnd costs aren't in the bom. Or cine alta app by itself would have been a serious cost.
Apple uses isocell but has a lot more in that ugly notch than a single 1/4" fixed focus camera. This sensor is used for depth sensing on s10+. I'm not sure but Samsung's Oled must be true 10 bit also. So take 1 give 1 I don't think X1 would have higher bom. (if you want to continue this pm me so we won't use this thread)
They lost money on 10 10+ we still have to wait for the end of the month to know how X1 performed. Also the restructure was still underway this year, it led to losses. |
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On 2019-10-14 15:56:41, Ppl wrote:
Doesn't matter. Their article doesn't mention in house materials cost less. They are probably taking prices from the market. Even if that's true then why does Xperia have 75% of cam sensors from Samsung? You have to admit except screen, all of X1 materials must be cheaper (edit: or equal). And that's the price when it was first released. X1 came 3 months later, things get cheaper in time. I might even argue that X1 bom is under 400.
Sony is known to have higher profit margins, there's no way it costs more to make 1 and it's 50 dollars cheaper (retail price)
DRAM in Samsung is double the size of the one in 1. I don't think the sensor costs more than what is in the S10. The lens could be more expensive though.
Financial reports will be released on the 30th this month.
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In house or not doesn't matter. It's all about the quantity.
Sony can't have the same prices Samsung pays. |
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Sony Semicon charges more from Apple than OnePlus for exmor.
OnePlus is getting a better one.
When you know your client will sell tons, you take advantage and rip them off.
If Apple had QHD screen, they would be paying for sure more than Samsung.
If more units made pieces ordered cheaper, then those that sell less phones would be paying more for same pieces and their phones would be much more expensive to make.
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Sony sensors in Apple are custom made while the op7's 48mp is the generic one everybody gets and sony already sold millions of that sensor. Price drops after a while.
If best selling brands are ripped off then X1 should be even cheaper to make since sm can't sell. |
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https://sumahoinfo.com/?p=35761
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I do hope the 256gb version come with expansion slot. |
Archdragoon
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I wonder if they would it night mode and macro mode..
Device : Xperia 1 II
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https://m.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4551/5414520/1/
"After hearing the contents of Xiaobian’s wish (night mode), the two Sony Mobile Heads & Engineers and Engineers just smiled and said that they would actively consider" |
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Macro is one of the many scenes Auto mode has.
I hope they do like Apple and offer not only 256, but 64 and 128 too.
Is xperia keyboard back or still using other as default?
Mich easier to bring monochrome back. Now imagine XZ2P with RNR.
Unless,they find a way to make a "night mode" that does not turn sky into day like all other brands.
Because it is ridiculous a photo taken for example at midnight that looks like 5:45 pm.
Not even counting the blur and ghosting because each frame is near 1s shutter.
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https://youtu.be/V4tDz5bruxk
At 25:03 he compared xz2p with the 1. Xz2p already had a clean image when it used fusion but the 1 is best at detail and sharpness. I don't think fusion chip would benefit from rnr too much. It's better if they use a bigger sensor. |
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I will watch it.
But it is easier to know difference when both use same settings.
RNR performs better at higher ISO as I've noticed.
I do not know if it works for video too, because night video of X1 is much better than xz3 by far.
Very clean.
In theory, the XZ2P would be like a 120mm2 camera.
That is the size of 1".
Is Sony working with Ericsson on 5G?
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All the photos are here for download for those interested.
https://drive.google.com/driv[....]6UVDb9lnC2NJmK8IZLQjzrdt3FspBm
The 1 does appear to be sharper, could be the new algorithm or maybe the faster lens, and even the OIS but if Sony can take this and upscale it to a larger sensor, that would be great.
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Hawk12
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Thanks, I'll download and scale all to 12MP for better study.
Anyone liked X8? Nice to see again midrange with glass (gorilla 6) and ip68.
Price should be below $500, but anyway it is just for japanese carrier.
It would not cost same outside Japan.
It has been 12 months since we saw X10/L3.
I would be satisfied if they used body of X5 and just change internals (ram, rom, cameras) for new midranges.
It would save R&D money.
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