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Sony Xperia Rumours 2019 |
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I looked at the renders again, high chance 20 doesn't have a metal frame and a glass back. Its frame structure resembles Ace and the back is also similar but have shine like the L3 (fake glass)
This one is supposed to have 6" display, it's not like the plus versions of the Xa series it's a successor. The leak suggests 12 + 12 mp camera, don't know about 10+ but it definitely has a bigger cam than x10. But it is Japan only. Global version might change or even not even exist.
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On 2019-08-05 00:21:00, Hawk12 wrote:
Since we dont know what they plan for future, I decided to post this here.
This is exactly what I've been looking for and predicted was going to happen.
https://youtu.be/uvaEVZZd1es
X1 and XZ2P out for a night walk.
The difference is shocking.
Of course in favor of 2P.
If anyone here works there, please tell them to bring aube back.
There is no way a single 1/2.55" RGB can beat 1/2.3" rgb + 1/2.3" mono.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-05 07:40 ]
Not that shocking considering the XZ2P has monochrome aux lens. However, the 1 has many advantages over the XZ2P. This video is definitely not showing the whole picture.
Moreover, if you're comparing sensor sizes you should know that it's meaningless on its own. You should refer to pixel pitch and the Xperia 1 (1.4um) has bigger pixels than XZ2P's main lens (1.22um).
We should also remember that the Xperia 1 has a considerably lower resolution, especially when zooming in. |
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sensor sizes should be bigger for next years
even chinese midranges have 1/2 inch 48 mp sensor these days, will have 1/1.7 inch 64 mp sensor in a few months.
mate 30 supposed to have a 1/1,5 inch 40 mp sensor.
dont fall to big brands' pr statements. big sensor+big pixel+good software = better image quality
sony should definetly go with this route, 108mp(1/1,5?? inch)+12 mp(1/1,5 inch) mono with aube and ois can destroy any mobile phone maybe even older rx100 series.
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Pixel size is important for high iso sensibility.
If you are shooting between 100-800 it wont matter.
Other brands moved from 12MP 1.55 to 12MP 1.4 ..
Settings matter more.
Remember the gsma tool with xz2 being better in 5 lux too?
They need at least RGGB 1/1.8" + mono 1/1.8" + aube.
And find way to make it work with HDR, macro and 4K.
10/10+ have unibody.
L3 has 2.5D rear plastic.
The render of 20 looks flat panel, perfect between the frames like XZP.
They even made the reflex on the surface.
Will Sony now provide 2 updates for midranges?
XA2 is not listed to earn Q.
No mediatek excuse anymore.
According post from Mr Buks, looks like no other 4K this year. 😰
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-05 13:51 ] |
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xz2 samples are best because of shutter speed.it can capture 2-3 times more light then other phones but without tripod it'll be meaningless comparation for normal usecases. |
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All used tripods.
Any phone at 0.25s + iso 200 will do better than 0.03s + iso 800.
I have handheld shots at 1s that ended up useless because blur, but other were perfect.
And I have read comments that X1 OIS does not work well for slower shutter like it should.
The link I posted show it.
OIS should do its job when you use between 0.1 - 0.75 s ....
With a larger sensor or mono, no need to use shutter near 1s.
Leaving 1/2.3" was mistake.
I hope the rumor of 1/1.7" is true, even if it uses 12MP only.
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That's what I wonder. Xz2 had good low light because of the shutter. If this was all it's needed they only should have added ois. It's gonna bulge anyway, doesn't matter 1mm or 2mm. I don't understand why Sony can't fit as much in a bigger space. Ois quality of X1 show itself in 4k recording. It's way too jerky.
Sony needs every hardware improvement they can get. It'll help close the software gap. That's why I think they should use quad Bayer, big sensor and a good ois. |
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If I was big boss there I'd order them to use wide/mono + uwa/mono + zoom/mono. All connected to aube.
Sadly I dont have power there. 😰
I think one RGGB + mono both 1/1.7 might be able to challenge a RX100.
I dont want a periscope. I think it is pointless to use a low quality hardware (1/4" 8MP) to take photos of stuff 300m away.
Imagine if you could go to watch your favorite band and you were able to record the show at 4K HDR iso 12800 or 16000, but much better quality than current phones can do. 😍
Review of Anandtech says they have never seen a phone resolves so much details. They wonder if it's the quality of lenses of just the software.
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If all aube is going to do is ramp up ISO, I'd rather omit it. Until it can be used for 4K (or even 8K in the future) and has other abilities like improving DR, helping in longer exposures (real time stabilization?) etc.
anandtech review says the same thing I did before. It must have some very clear lens, you can see this in gsmarena's samples too. Just go to the edges of the frame, while 1 does not look as sharp in center it doesn't change sharpness across the frame, it's very consistent. Other phones have a lot of edge blur. And it has great detail level for low light matching its good light sample. That's why I couldn't stand Tech Chap's comparison. He kept saying S had better detail.
The review also mentions its lack of HDR and night sight. QBayer would help with DR, a better ois would let them expose longer without blur, bigger sensor and pixels would give cleaner results with brighter exposures. I'd also suggest a variable aperture since f/1.6 is kind of too much for good light giving this slightly out of focus vibe like older samsungs.
Maybe they'd update 1 when 2 is out and resolve some of these issues. |
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You dont need to up the ISO.
The idea is to give cleaner image even if ISO ends up going up.
XZ2P will beat XZ2 no matter you set iso100, 200, 400 or 12800.
It sets you free from the need to use shutter near 1s, like the video 2P using 1/16 against 1 using almost 1s.
Also when other devices start to have issues above 400, the XZ2P can resist more.
Higher iso is even better for videos, very slower shutter would blur the footage.
ISO3200 is not enough in many situations, video remains very dark.
Of course that iso12800 alone cant do the same job.
The mono is the main piece.
Tech Chap loves Samsung and Asus stuff.
Funny these youtubers make statements but dont even show crops of the photos.
DxO says S10 loses lots of details because the excess of NR.
Hope Alpha help them to put IBIS. Much better than OIS.
Their FF and APSC dont even have EIS.
I dont think rear ToF is necessary.
Other are using just for bokeh.
Sony AR stuff is the same since it was introduced.
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sidneylopsides
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What would be the difference in sensor shift Vs lens shift image stabilization? In A range it allows stabilization on none-OIS lenses, but when you have fixed lenses anyway, I'm not sure there's anything to gain.
Except a sensor shift super resolution system that would need a tripod.
All that's needed is the OIS software to be worked on and improved.
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It is not about Pixel Shift. But that could be used too for landscape photos doing super resolution photo on tripod.
I just know IBIS provides better stabilization than OIS and you no longer need EIS.
Only Canon does not use IBIS.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-06 11:54 ] |
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Hawk, what you said about xz2p iso is exactly what I meant by ramping up the iso.
Rx100 has only ois right? I don't think they'd ever put sensor stabilization in a phone. But that 108mp is making me wonder. It could be something like a pixel shift method. |
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Probably a 108/27MP Quadbayer. Someone from Xiaomi was asked if Mix4 was going to use the Isocell 64MP, he said something better.
Maybe.
Pixel Shift is complicated. It requires tripod and takes at least 1s between each shot. This for A7R3. Which means still objects only . It is used for those take shots of buildings, churches, statues etc. Wildlife landscape not included, trees moving because of wind ruin the photo. Sony Alpha does not provide in-body merging, it is done on PC.
This is a translation (google's) of one post from Mr Buks.
" I can't wait to see the arrival of IFA 2019's new one-handed flagship, so I took out the Xperia XZ2 Compact."
According to the specs, 1 and 10+ have same height. Which means the two bezels of 1 have size of the single bezel of 10+. In this case, I think if 10/10+ had two smaller would be better than having one bigger.
One post post on weibo by other user says V is the 5G device.
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I don't think sensor stabilisation is better than traditional OIS apart from in interchangeable lens cameras. I don't recall ever seeing a non-interchangeable camera using it. If it was better we wouldn't have OIS everywhere.
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